A question for the non sabatarians(spelling?)

[sentipente]

I believe they feel they dont need to check...there prophet has spoken it, so its true no matter what the bible says or what context it is written in.

You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.

 

[Avonia]

By saying that God never changed the sabbath, they build arguments by questions rather than "thus sayeth the prophet of God in the scriptures.
CRIB

Here's another one.

"They build arguments with scripture rather than notice what is expressing God everywhere you look."

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Their arguments are commentary that uses the seventh day of creation Gen 2:1:3 and Ex 20:5-11, which really says...."You children of Israel, keep the seventh day as a sabbath rest because God rested on the seventh day."

Sheeze, You cant tell a SDA that God did not give Adam the sabbath to rest because they've been pursuaded that Adam was given the ten commandment. Their understanding seem to come from a series of questions like, How come Abaham obeyed God laws and commandment?","How come Joseph knew that adultery was a sin?

God forknew the questions we'd have about His word, this is why we can find answers to unloaded questions.


By saying that God never changed the sabbath, they build arguments by questions rather than "thus sayeth the prophet of God in the scriptures.
The sabbath cannot change, but God gave it to the COI only ( I have ask many Jewish scholars if Rabbis were ever commanded to preach it to other nations. Jews point to circumcision as the sign of those who are prosylized.)

Modern technology have made history accessable to all via the internet. The earliest apologist prove that Christians primarily did not Judiaze, but gathered for worship on Sundays (not sabbathkeeping).
The fact that Jewish Christians continued to keep the sabbath and other religious traditions is evident in the scriptures but it's not commanded to Gentiles Christian.

The Christian faith is based on what is written.

The elephant in the room is the Holy Spirit that will make sure every man will be judged by the word of God and not the reasoning abilty of man.

We can trust the bible.........It spiritual food.

CRIB

Great post. Thanks, Crib.

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.

Can you give me an example please...will you take the challenge for all to see? If I have error against the bible I'll admit. Or will you take the low road and hide and watch?

AT

 

[sentipente]

Can you give me an example please...will you take the challenge for all to see? If I have error against the bible I'll admit. Or will you take the low road and hide and watch?

AT

I don't encourage such puerile behavior as dares. If you want to ask a question in a mature fashion do so and I will gladly engage you.

 

[Cribstyl]

Here's another one.

"They build arguments with scripture rather than notice what is expressing God everywhere you look."

With all due respects........ I dont understand what you're saying.

Can we not find the quote of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?



CRIB

 

[sentipente]

With all due respects........ I dont understand what you're saying.

Can we not find the quote of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?



CRIB

Maybe we can. The question is whether we are obligated to find those quotes and are we in jeopardy if we don't.

 

[Adventtruth]

I don't encourage such puerile behavior as dares. If you want to ask a question in a mature fashion do so and I will gladly engage you.

Ok...kindly show me my error please.


AT

 

[sentipente]

Ok...kindly show me my error please.


AT

Which particular error are you referring to? This is not a very friendly medium.

 

[Avonia]

With all due respects........ I dont understand what you're saying.

Can we not find the quote of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?
CRIB

Of course. But it's limiting instead of illuminating when it becomes the only way.

God's autobiography is everywhere you look. It's continuously revealed. God's laws are inherent in God's creation.

A great example of this limitation is our preoccupation with Sabbath ownership. To whom it was given - and how it must be "kept." That is one part of a much larger conversation that could include:

1. What is the nature of the Sabbath?

2. What does the rhythm of Sabbath reveal about God?

3. Where do we see Sabbath in God's creation?

4. How do we move into relationship with Sabbath?

5. What is it we can know about Sabbath the transcends it's definition as a day of the week?

6. How does Sabbath relate to our own creative cycles.

7. If Sabbath is about gestation, what is wanting to be birthed?

The insights to these questions are everywhere, because Sabbath is fundamental.

There is a similar path of inquiry for all of the SDA 28. Instead of asking "are they true" we could be asking "what are they pointing to."

 

[Cribstyl]

The God of all creation have chosen what is called "the foolishiness of preaching" to save the world by the Gospel of Jesus Christ

There are many who preach other messages than salvation through Jesus Christ.

Those who are born again, should seek to know the milk (elementary doctrines) as it is written, and being delivered by the Holy Spirit, so they can be grounded in the faith.

Those who keep commanding righteousness by keeping this law or that law, will be in danger of judgment by the law. Why?? That's what the bible clearly say.Rom 2:1

Which apostle did God send to teach that message?
You're condemning yourself by quoting Law against people.

Yes, God is Holy and Yes we are commanded to be Holy. It is true that all unrighteous is Sin. We should not sin.....( We should talk about that more)

The problem comes when God's judgement say's to an adulterer or murderer " You're forgiven" but you've judged the condenm them by the commandments and you may have hidden sin we hope that God will overlook.


The problem comes when we've said to a sunday worshippers, "you're a sinner because you're breaking the ten commandments, so, come and be baptized and keep the sabbath holy."

That's not the gospel.



CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Can we not find the quotes of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?

Of course. But it's limiting instead of illuminating when it becomes the only way.

It's the only way to a life of Godliness, that man can be saved (enter the kingdom)2Pe 1:3

Luk 8:12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

God's autobiography is everywhere you look. It's continuously revealed. God's laws are inherent in God's creation.

God's autobiwhat?? No man can know God!!!!
That's not gospel nor is it truth unless you have scripture to reference what you're talking about.
You just made a case that we dont need God's word to know God. 1Pe 1:12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Know that the Holy Spirit is with them that preach the gospel.

A great example of this limitation is our preoccupation with Sabbath ownership. To whom it was given - and how it must be "kept." That is one part of a much larger conversation that could include:

1. What is the nature of the Sabbath?

Nature, is the world with all it's phenominon.
Prove that nature discriminates one day of seven days?
The nature of sabbath is artificial because it's dependant on a man to keep it.
Rain falls on animals, do they keep the sabbath?
Sabbath was made for man.
Nature is inherent.

2. What does the rhythm of Sabbath reveal about God?


3. Where do we see Sabbath in God's creation?

4. How do we move into relationship with Sabbath?

5. What is it we can know about Sabbath the transcends it's definition as a day of the week?

6. How does Sabbath relate to our own creative cycles.

7. If Sabbath is about gestation, what is wanting to be birthed?

The insights to these questions are everywhere, because Sabbath is fundamental.

There is a similar path of inquiry for all of the SDA 28. Instead of asking "are they true" we could be asking "what are they pointing to."

As much as I love to answer questions, I dont have relating text to agree or disagree with your statments.

If it aint in the bible I dont understand.

I appreciate the dialog
CRIB

 

[Adventtruth]

Which particular error are you referring to? This is not a very friendly medium.

I beive this is where you entered the conversation with this quote

Originally Posted by Adventtruth

I believe they feel they dont need to check...there prophet has spoken it, so its true no matter what the bible says or what context it is written in.

And your responce:

Originally Posted by sentipente

You are of the same ilk except that you have a different authority. This may be a classic case of pot and kettle.

So what is my error?


AT
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[Avonia]

Can we not find the quotes of the prophets or the apostles that we are to apply to our lives?

Yes.

It's the only way to a life of Godliness, that man can be saved (enter the kingdom)

Belief in the Bible has proven to be poorly correlated with a life of Godliness.

That's not gospel nor is it truth unless you have scripture to reference what you're talking about.

Much of what we know about the world doesn't have scripture to back it up.

Prove that nature discriminates one day of seven days? The nature of sabbath is artificial because it's dependant on a man to keep it. Rain falls on animals, do they keep the sabbath?
Sabbath was made for man.
Nature is inherent.

You've missed my point. I'm making your point much better than you are at the moment!

I appreciate the dialog

Agreed.

 

[Cribstyl]

Yes.


Belief in the Bible has proven to be poorly correlated with a life of Godliness.

Hmmm,I agree in part, but what do you understand from Jesus after His was first baptized;.... Luk 4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

And knowing after His resurrection, Jesus told Peter....feed my sheep, feed my sheep feed my sheep. What do you think He meant?


When Peter was ready to die, his words were reasonating the wisdom of what Christ sheep needed to live. He also said that "all scriptures were not man's wisdom, but the power of God."

Why did Peter spend so much time teaching about false prophets and what they're doing today? 2Pe 2:1


Why does Peter validate Paul's epistles as given to him?
2Pe 3:15And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Much of what we know about the world doesn't have scripture to back it up.

Who said we should know everything?
God gives us what we need to live, everythingelse cost extra

You've missed my point. I'm making your point much better than you are at the moment!

Well preach the gospel Sister, I know you got it in you.

(Lord help us to stay grounded in you. Help us to say whatever is true, whatever is honest and of good report)

CRIB

 

[StormyOne]

Hmmm,I agree in part, but what do you understand from Jesus after His was first baptized;.... Luk 4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

And knowing after His resurrection, Jesus told Peter....feed my sheep, feed my sheep feed my sheep. What do you think He meant?


When Peter was ready to die, his words were reasonating the wisdom of what Christ sheep needed to live. He also said that "all scriptures were not man's wisdom, but the power of God."

Why did Peter spend so much time teaching about false prophets and what they're doing today? 2Pe 2:1


Why does Peter validate Paul's epistles as given to him?
2Pe 3:15And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.





Who said we should know everything?
God gives us what we need to live, everythingelse cost extra






Well preach the gospel Sister, I know you got it in you.

(Lord help us to stay grounded in you. Help us to say whatever is true, whatever is honest and of good report)

CRIB

Brother Crib Peter did not write 2 Peter.... secondly, whenever it was written the NT had not been compiled so the only scripture any NT writer was referring to was portions of the OT.... but don't let that stand in the way of you making your point..... one other thought to contemplate... most of the NT was written 40+ yrs after the events occurred.... Can you remember vividly and objectively everything you did and said 40 yrs ago?

 

[Avonia]

but by every word of God.[/COLOR]

The "every" is important. Genesis tells the story of God's creative word. God spoke. Therefore, you are God's living word. And you are living in God's word.

This does not devalue scripture. It's purpose is to help us understand the Word. We mistake words for the Word.

Here's an analogy. I give you a bike and an operators manual so you know more about how the bike works. My intention in giving you the manual is to help you know more about the bike - not to replace the bike.

 

[sentipente]

So what is my error?

AT
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Ah! I was referring to your performance in another thread in which you were less concerned with what the Bible really taught than with what you already believed. I had just read that thread and it was strange seeing you comment about those who only depend on their prophet.

 

[StormyOne]

The "every" is important. Genesis tells the story of God's creative word. God spoke. Therefore, you are God's living word. And you are living in God's word.

This does not devalue scripture. It's purpose is to help us understand the Word. We mistake words for the Word.

Here's an analogy. I give you a bike and an operators manual so you know more about how the bike works. My intention in giving you the manual is to help you know more about the bike - not to replace the bike.

too many are content with looking at the pictures of the bike in the manual rather than getting on the bike...

 

[Cribstyl]

Brother Crib Peter did not write 2 Peter.... secondly, whenever it was written the NT had not been compiled so the only scripture any NT was referring to was portions of the OT.... but don't let that stand in the way of you making your point..... one other thought to contemplate... most of the NT was written 40+ yrs after the events occurred.... Can you remember vividly and objectively everything you did and said 40 yrs ago?

Yea, I'm aware of what appears to ba a convincing argument. I've made a choice to believe in these 66 books and the power of the Holy Spirit. "(Cough,cough,)Run,run, it's too late for me, I bought in, I'm finished, goodbye everyboby... cough, cough)

2Pe 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pe 1:2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,


CRIB