A question for the faithful.

[juvenissun]

Originally Posted by juvenissun

Does that mean something logical to you will become illogical to a faithful?

Absolutely not.

So, all things logical to you ARE also logical to a faithful.
Then you are not better than a faithful.

 

[madaz]

No. The essence of faith is evidence.

Human are not stupid. You are not wiser than others

With all due respect sir if you believe in your statement above then you are indeed a stupid human.

 

[sandwiches]

No. The essence of faith is evidence.

So, faith in God's existence is no different than believing your car will start in the morning?

Human are not stupid. You are not wiser than others

On what grounds can you assert this?

 

[madaz]

So, all things logical to you ARE also logical to a faithful.

Er..no and yes.

No because some faithful fail to comprehend actual logic, so to them, something that is actually logical is in their minds illogical.

Yes that anything that is logical, is actually logical.

Then you are not better than a faithful.

I never said I was.

 

[juvenissun]

So, faith in God's existence is no different than believing your car will start in the morning?



On what grounds can you assert this?

To both of your questions, the answer is "experience".
Evidence comes from knowledge and experience.

 

[juvenissun]

Er..no and yes.

No because some faithful fail to comprehend actual logic, so to them, something that is actually logical is in their minds illogical.

Yes that anything that is logical, is actually logical.



I never said I was.

I don't know any such example. Would you give one?

 

[madaz]

I don't know any such example. Would you give one?

Sure,

The rejection of belief in X is entirely different to the belief that X does not exist.

There are perhaps more examples of the reciprocal of my statement, eg something that is actually illogical is in their minds logical.

 

[madaz]

To both of your questions, the answer is "experience".
Evidence comes from knowledge and experience.

The answers you provided do not answer the questions.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Just to chime in briefly....

I'm not really surprised, but still in a small state of shock at the mindset of some of the people that replied on here. They have openly admitted that if what they believe was absolutely proven to be incorrect, they would not change their beliefs.

I pity those people. I pity them because they have been so brainwashed by their religion, that they can't even comprehend or accept that they could possibly be wrong... and even if they were shown to be wrong without a shadow of a doubt, they still would refuse to accept it.

To hold a mindset like that is nothing less than the absolute pinnacle of intellectual cowardice, and blind, wilful ignorance.

It's sad, and pitiful. I honestly feel sorry for them.

 

[MrMoe]

yes I would abandon my faith if It was proven false.
you've been lurking the singles forum havent you? that quote by Baam is less than an hour old

 

[juvenissun]

Sure,

The rejection of belief in X is entirely different to the belief that X does not exist.

There are perhaps more examples of the reciprocal of my statement, eg something that is actually illogical is in their minds logical.

No no. I am expecting an example:

Something you think is logical, but is illogical to a faithful.

My argument is that such example does not exist. So a faithful is at least as logical as you are.

I am a faithful. It seems I am more logical than you are.

 

[madaz]

No no. I am expecting an example:

Something you think is logical, but is illogical to a faithful.

My argument is that such example does not exist. So a faithful is at least as logical as you are.

I am a faithful. It seems I am more logical than you are.

I gave you an example, you didnt acknowledge it, do you accept the logic in my example? If you do then I will offer you another example?

 

[sandwiches]

To both of your questions, the answer is "experience".
Evidence comes from knowledge and experience.

So, faith in God's existence is no different than believing your car will start in the morning?

 

[juvenissun]

So, faith in God's existence is no different than believing your car will start in the morning?

To me, sort of yes, but is only better.
To you, I don't think so. Because you never experienced God. And your car may not be so reliable.
So, my evidence is not your evidence because you do not have the experience and the knowledge to see my evidence.

 

[juvenissun]

I gave you an example, you didnt acknowledge it, do you accept the logic in my example? If you do then I will offer you another example?

Your example does not illustrate your point.

 

[madaz]

Your example does not illustrate your point.

You sir are beginning to form a predictive pattern, I have asked one simple question which only requires a simple yes or a no answer.

You have responded with your own personal opinions and ask me questions instead.

I have answered the questions you have put to me.

You have failed to answer EVERY question put to you.

Your responses are evasive and irrelevant.

Please just answer yes or no, elaboration on your yes or no is optional.

Thank you.

 

[juvenissun]

You sir are beginning to form a predictive pattern, I have asked one simple question which only requires a simple yes or a no answer.

You have responded with your own personal opinions and ask me questions instead.

I have answered the questions you have put to me.

You have failed to answer EVERY question put to you.

Your responses are evasive and irrelevant.

Please just answer yes or no, elaboration on your yes or no is optional.

Thank you.

I said you give a bad question. The way you put it makes a logical person have no choice. So why bother to ask? And why should I bother to answer it except pointing out the bad logic in the question?

 

[madaz]

I said you give a bad question.

Please explain what is bad about this question?

" If you were given a convincing argument based on empiricism and/or logical reasoning that your religion was false, would you abandon your religion?"

The way you put it makes a logical person have no choice.

Have no choice in what?

So why bother to ask?

Because it is a valid logical question.

And why should I bother to answer it except pointing out the bad logic in the question?

You havent pointed out any bad logic in the question, you have avoided the question by asking me off topic questions.

 

[juvenissun]

Please explain what is bad about this question?

" If you were given a convincing argument based on empiricism and/or logical reasoning that your religion was false, would you abandon your religion?"



Have no choice in what?



Because it is a valid logical question.



You havent pointed out any bad logic in the question, you have avoided the question by asking me off topic questions.

You give a logical question. The only logical answer is yes.

That is a BAD question.

 

[madaz]

You give a logical question. The only logical answer is yes.

Thank you for answering my question.