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Hypothetically-If you were given a proof that religion was false, would you abandon it?
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A question for the faithful.
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SiyoNqoba
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I remember discussing this many years ago. It was a common one at school when I was a teenager 
If you were to offer me absolute proof that my religion is false, how would I know that the proof is absolute? What evidence could you possible give me that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that my religion is false?
Christianity in essence contains a whole lot that is unprovable. It is outside of earthly constructs, and therefore is not material. You can't see it, touch it, taste it, smell it, or feel it. There is very little that is concrete, that you can hold in your hand. And you can't prove anything about the supernatural with something that is natural. Therefore, you would need to give me supernatural proof, which, as it is not material, takes faith to believe.
If you were to offer me absolute proof that my religion is false, how would I know that the proof is absolute? What evidence could you possible give me that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that my religion is false?
Christianity in essence contains a whole lot that is unprovable. It is outside of earthly constructs, and therefore is not material. You can't see it, touch it, taste it, smell it, or feel it. There is very little that is concrete, that you can hold in your hand. And you can't prove anything about the supernatural with something that is natural. Therefore, you would need to give me supernatural proof, which, as it is not material, takes faith to believe.
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Only you can answer that, give an example, we will use that for the purpose of this discussion. You mentioned something supernatural, do you have an idea?
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juvenissun
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What is the (simple) logical answer to your question?
Do you think a faithful person is less logical than you are?
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Back off a little, you're too aggressive.
I don't think there can be any absolute proof against my faith. Just as there can't be any absolute proof to support it.
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Aggressive? Where have I been aggressive?
Your response is the answer to an entirely different question.
Please respond to the correct question with a simple yes or a no.
It is optional to elaborate why you say yes or no.
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Every religion says that, not every religion is true.
Suggest a hypothetical example of absolute proof your religion is false, then answer the question based on that scenario.
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No I did not. What I said is that if one can reason, then there is only one answer to your question. That also mean, I am sorry, it is a very bad question.
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If you could convince me that the two Angels I have seen, were not real. And it was not my best friend that came down from heaven, and stopped me from killing myself. And if you could convince it is not the voice of God that stopped me from killing an innocent man three years ago. And convince me it was not God that healed me from a chronic and deadly liver disease, and healed me from chronic pain two months ago. I would still not abandon my faith or my love for Christ. He is not only my lord and my God, he is my best friend.
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I cant convince you of anything you refuse to believe, but I can suggest you may have been suffering from hallucinations.
The credit goes to you.
You do appear to have some moral and pathological issues.
The credit most likely goes to the science of medicine.
This thread has nothing to do with me convincing anyone of anything, it is a hypothetical question.
Anyway thank you for having the fortitude to step up and answer my question.
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It is a very good question, you call it a bad question because you know you cannot give a rational answer.
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Speaking as someone who used to have a religion (I now have
a relationship -- totally different ballgame), if I perceived it as
absolute proof, then I probably would abandon it. And it
wouldn't be the first time, either. I've gotten rather used to
periodic paradigm-shifts.
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This is a very good question madaz, and I thank you for asking it here.
With regards to your question, after giving thought to it, I would have to say that I would not abandon Christianity if I were given absolute proof that it was not a plausible worldview.
I shall enumerate my reasons below.
1. Within the framework of the Judeo-Christian worldview, I have found what I failed to find in the various worldviews that I have studied and researched and adhered to in my search for meaning, and that is: meaning.I have found that the principles taught by Christ to be sublime, and all-encompassing, and true to the way I perceive life.
2. There is no law, no morality, no worldview that teaches what Christianity teaches with regards to loving my fellow man. This teaching alone makes Christianity stand so tall above any other worldview. So much so that if indeed it were absolutely proven to be invalid, I would still have what it has taught me in principle and experience which validates my adherence to it.
To put it plainly, I have searched high and low and I know of no other worldview under heaven which could make a claim to my allegiance. There is no higher life, no more noble and sublime ethic than that of Jesus. I therefore, have no reason to alter my adherence to it even though if "hypothetically speaking " it could be proven to be false!
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Any one can give a rational answer. That is why it is a bad question.
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I agree with Theofane and others who are unable to imagine any scenario matching what you're asking about; that's why we're asking you to explain what such proof might consist of. Since you're the one asking us to contemplate this scenario, it's up to you to demonstrate what exactly the scenario is. The concept of absolute proof exists in mathematics and formal logic, but only there. How could it exist in any other field of human thought?
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