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A question for Old Earth Creationists

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The fact is that there are many different sects of Christianity that have many different interpretations of the Bible. Some of them are not even Christian sects according to the rules of this site. I think both the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses would count as "non-Christian" here. The Mormons because of their additional books and the Jehovah's Witnesses since they don't accept the Trinity.

The Bible is not clear. Theologians will argue over the smallest of differences. There are multiple dates in Christianity for the Daniel prophecies.

Does anyone disagree with any of this?
 
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Sorry, can't interpret your words. Not clear enough.
 
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Forgive me then if I don't reply as your words are too vaguely written for me to interpret them. I mean, what does "sect" mean? It could mean anything.

It is obvious. Oh well. IF you don't see the name "Jesus" it means He wasn't there, I think it is very obvious He is and was the Creator God.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


The word being Jesus Christ.
 
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That is your interpretation of the Bible. Others will have equally valid interpretations. I think you are also getting a little confused with who E.D. is responding to.

But then E.D. probably does not know that himself
 
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That is your interpretation of the Bible. Others will have equally valid interpretations. I think you are also getting a little confused with who E.D. is responding to.

But then E.D. probably does not know that himself

Like I said there are core beliefs that are based on New Testament teaching that if not followed are considered heresy.
 
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Like I said there are core beliefs that are based on New Testament teaching that if not followed are considered heresy.

By you. Not by them. Many of your beliefs would have been "heretical" to the Catholic Church before the reformation. Does that make them heresy?

Heresy is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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It appears to me, that when you look at certain fundamentalists Christians, they are more threatened by Christians like yourself, who are highly educated in science and understand it, then they are of atheists.
 
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By you. Not by them. Many of your beliefs would have been "heretical" to the Catholic Church before the reformation. Does that make them heresy?

Heresy is in the eye of the beholder.

The Bible is clear on the subject, people who do not agree do so against what the Bible clearly states.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
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It appears to me, that when you look at certain fundamentalists Christians, they are more threatened by Christians like yourself, who are highly educated in science and understand it, then they are of atheists.

You misinterpret the comments being made then.
 
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The Bible is clear on the subject, people who do not agree do so against what the Bible clearly states.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Yet you will have other Christians with strongly different views than you. Not just the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. And in fact your views may be heresy to them. Internecine wars are often the worst when it comes to the treatment of the other side. In the past if there were no Muslims or Jews to attack Christians would regularly attack each other.

But I am not interested in debating interpretation of scripture. I was merely pointing out that that there are other Christians that would disagree with you. No matter what part of the Bible you chose to interpret. Obvious to you is not obvious to them.
 
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It appears to me, that when you look at certain fundamentalists Christians, they are more threatened by Christians like yourself, who are highly educated in science and understand it, then they are of atheists.
I tend to agree. The anger that some fundamentalists aim at atheists is nothing compared to the fury they aim at those they see as "Not a True Christian" AKA anyone who does not agree with their particular interpretation of the Bible.

For evidence, just look at comments made by some fundamentalists toward Catholics and the Catholic Church. (Don't want to brush all fundamentalists with the same brush. I have found many to be quite reasonable.)


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For evidence, just look at comments made by some fundamentalists toward Catholics and the Catholic Church. (Don't want to brush all fundamentalists with the same brush. I have found many to be quite reasonable.)


Dizredux

There is a very good reason for that.
 
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Yes, I believe it is quite obvious. Some want to hold onto their personal (or church's) interpretation of the bible and anything that goes against that must be blasphemy.
 
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There is a very good reason for that.

Sure you have your reasons and others have theirs. It is a never ending circle, my interpretation is better than your interpretation.

It reminds me of five year olds battling over who's dad can beat up the other dad.
 
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John was to bare witness of him and he did that with Jesus. He became flesh and dwelt among us. Keep reading John and you will find the name of Jesus. Either your reading comprehension is really off or you are just being extremely obtuse with us.


No, I totally get it. The passages do eventually clarify that Jesus is God in the flesh. It says God, who created the universe, in the flesh, is Jesus. God didn't create the universe as Jesus (i.e. while in the flesh). God was born and died as a human as Jesus. Jesus, the physical flesh and blood aspect of God, doesn't move through your body and fill you up (that's kind of disturbing, actually) -- it's the Spirit.

Did the Holy Spirit die on the cross?
 
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God, as a human, died on the cross. The Holy Spirit can't die.
 
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