Chinchilla
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Yea I totally agree , so all through Scriptures stars and angels are used to descibe the same being so why do you think otherwise ?
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What do you think? To my mind the basic principle is about taking the time to look at each passage, book, part of the bible in its own context. Anyone can do it. I think it’s a mistake just to pick it up, read it, and assume that whatever you (or anyone else) happens to think is the only ‘correct’ interpretation.
Yea I totally agree , so all through Scriptures stars and angels are used to descibe the same being so why do you think otherwise ?
In the example you gave I can’t think of any reason why the image of a star falling should be taken literally, as in an actual star crashing into the earth. If you have other examples and want a response to those feel free but it could get a bit tiresome.
I quoted other example in the same post , did the star hovering above house burn everybody alive or was it angel ?
Oh right, missed that. For the purposes of the narrative I assume it’s supposed to mean a star moving through the heavens, as in visible in the sky, not directly above the house giving everyone a factor 5000 day. Whether or not it is meant to be taken literally or is just a representation of some sort of astronomical event, I don’t know. From everything I’ve read on it writers in the ancient world were more interested in conveying meaning than literal description.
It clearly says it hover above house , and that it moved, start aren't moving supposed to heliocentrism but ok.
So it does not fit the narrative of Science that's why you are rejecting the simple truth .
Why do you believe that a person can rise from the dead contradicting scientific method but star can't be an angel ?
Why cherry pick ?
Were all of Jesus miracles also allegorical and poetry ?
See... you are thinking in your globe trained mind... Until the globe.. there was no need to have anything "hold us down". Not until we started spinning on an earth where people on one side were upside down to those on the other side... this posed a problem. Gravity fixed it.
But still stars don't move so how can it move ?I don’t think the text is saying the star was floating in the air and they followed it. In verse one it says they saw the star ‘as it rose’ then followed its direction as it moved to its destination over Bethlehem. Is this an actual descriptive account? Unlikely, the author is relating something he heard about second hand as part of a narrative whose first importance is meaning, meaning that would resonate with the intended readers.
Like I said in my other post I think to get a satisfying understanding it’s necessary to look at different passages on their own merits, read around on it and make your own mind up. Overgeneralising or being dogmatic about it doesn’t produce much in my experience.
Maybe because it's heavier than the air molecules around it? IDK... I'm just saying that a bird comes nowhere close to an "escape velocity" yet flies super high.
But still stars don't move so how can it move ?
Ok let's forget stars because you don't seem to get the point .
Joshua 10:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
How can sun stand still ?
The author didn’t know that. My guess is that he’s explaining some sort of astronomical event in a way that he and his readers would understand, in the terminology of the day.
But still stars don't move so how can it move ?
Ok let's forget stars because you don't seem to get the point .
Joshua 10:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
How can sun stand still ?
I have no reason to believe that it will have any ability to check playing cards. I have no idea why you would suggest it..
What I am talking about is biological of some sort. Works on eggs... according to my mother... who is a a dear Christian woman and has no reason to lie and only mentioned it when we were all doing it on our pregnant or previously pregnant wives, at the time.
And, definitely works on pregnant and previously pregnant women.
So... have at er... with the playing cards but don't condemn my posts because this doesn't work on inanimate pieces of cardboard.
It clearly says it hover above house , and that it moved, start aren't moving supposed to heliocentrism but ok.
so because this passage does not fit in your scientism religion it has to be false ?
but people don't rise from the dead and it does not fit scientism aswell , why reject the first and believe the second ?
Luke 24:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Space, as it is presented, is an almost perfect vacuum. The difference in pressure created by my vacuum is not even close to the difference in pressure between our atmosphere and a perfect vacuum.....
Point is... you have a perfect vacuum shoulder to shoulder with our atmosphere..... in high atmosphere where gravity is diminished.... and it doesn't suck it all away.
You can spin it all you want... but, even when my vacuum is full and doesn't have much draw... it will pick up a feather.
I persoanlly have a problem with the fact that our atmosphere is not sucked away. It doesn't make sense.
I know, the egg heads could draw some elaborate equations on a chalk board, that only them and four others would understand, and conclude from the cryptic scribbles that it "must work". But, I'm not buying any of it.
so because this passage does not fit in your scientism religion it has to be false ?
but people don't rise from the dead and it does not fit scientism aswell , why reject the first and believe the second ?
Luke 24:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
God performed a miracle ...
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