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A Question for Creationists

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Doveaman

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Most certainly.

So, you'd say a petri dish is still coming into being because there's bacteria growing inside of it?
The bacteria is growing within the space of the petri dish.

According to the Big Bang model, galaxies do not develop within space like bacteria.

The galaxies and the space exist as one "rubber sheet" that is expanding from an infinitesimal point (singularity) in the distant past.

"This singularity is sometimes called "the Big Bang", but the term can also refer to the early hot, dense phase itself, which can be considered the "birth" of our Universe." - Source.

The "birth" of our Universe suggests the Universe didn't always exist.
 
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You have your cart well in front of your horse I'm afraid......before you can consider whether or not your god has a cause, you first have to demonstrate that it even exists...!
Scientists agree the universe has a cause. They simply don’t know what that cause is. We creationsits call that cause God. If scientists are able to find the cause they will find God.
But regardless of that, if you assert that your god is without cause, simply because you "have no reason", then equally there is no reason that matter/energy has no cause...
I’m not the one asserting God has no cause. If, as scientists asserts, energy has no cause and God is pure energy (God-energy), then God has no cause.

It's the logical conclusion.
That's yet another baseless assertion....
Just because you have no basis doesn’t mean there is none. Not all evidence must be physical, especially if God Himself is not physical.
All versions of God says God did it.
 
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Our deity is pure energy (God-energy), and scientists agree energy has no cause.
 
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Doveaman

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But of course you're not confused. You've found the answer to everything. It's everyone else who happens to think like you, but who differs on the specific theological details, that is confused.
Well, I will admit I don't know God perfectly, but I do know He is only revealed through His Son:

"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him...I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - (Matt 11:27, John 14:6).

I believe in the Son of God, the historical Jesus, who is the only way to know the true God.
 
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The bacteria is growing within the space of the petri dish.
Indeed. And it does nothing to indicate whether the dish is forming or not.

According to the Big Bang model, galaxies do not develop within space like bacteria.
Agreed. It was merely an example.

Note that we have an event horizon which we cannot observe past (allegedly).
That does nothing to speak about what happened before the event horizon.

Example (one of many I can imagine):


Imagine that our universe is described by that line.
The straight line at the bottom is the observable time-line of it, where it has a structure that we can exist within.
The event horizon (big bang event) would be at the left end of the straight line, the end of 'human-allowing' period would be at the right end of the straight line.

Then the curve follows and brings us back to the event horizon.

This would produce the same observations as the ones we have, but yet it would lack a start.
In fact, it would also lack an end and be cyclic!

I'd love to read what your thoughts are about this.
 
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Many scientists and evolutionists agree that reality is not limited to the physical.

In other words, many scientists and evolutionists agree that science is myopic.

The fact that many scientists think science cannot answer questions it was not intended to answer does not mean that they think science is myopic. It just means that they think there are questions or claims which cannot be addressed by science, even in principle.
 
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Okay then -- science is blind.
 
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As I'm fond of saying, when science can build a machine that can do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... then I'll reconsider its limitations.
 
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You really don't know much about DNA, do you?

Are you really suggesting thay chimp DNA and Human DNA is the same and can't be disitisnguished from each other? If you ae, you are the one who doesn't know much about DNA

FYI, you are talking to biologists. We've seen DNA. We know what a gene looks like, we have a sense of how similar or different various species are. In short, you'll have to be a bit more specific than "DNA says this".

I have said it separates not only one species from another but kinds within the same species. It can tell if I am related to you. Now it is up to you to refute that.


Does it, now? How does it do that?

Steady-state, I believe, and no, I wasn't implying that. I was merely pointing out the worthlessness of bare assertions.

You mean like you are doing?


<mysterious voice> It is not what it seems. </mysterious voice>[/quote]

Mysterious voice> It is only what real science says it is.
 
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Where is your EMPIRICAL evidence for this? The Bible is not empirical evidence.

I ask yu first. Where is your EMPIRICAL evidence> Why are you bringing the Bible into this discussion? Stick to the science

 
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