A question for Baptist friends

[lismore]

Hi

I have two baptist friends, Ed and Dave.

Ed says the baptism in the holy spirit is not for now, Dave says he has it. Are there any Baptists out there who could tell me their view on this, esp with reference to:

Acts
19:1 While1 Apollos was in Corinth,2 Paul went through the inland3 regions4 and came to Ephesus.5 He6 found some disciples there7 19:2 and said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"8 They replied,9 "No, we have not even10 heard that there is a Holy Spirit." 19:3 So Paul11 said, "Into what then were you baptized?" "Into John's baptism," they replied.12 19:4 Paul said, "John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him,13 that is, in Jesus." 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, 19:6 and when Paul placed14 his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came15 upon them, and they began to speak16 in tongues and to prophesy.17 19:7 (Now there were about twelve men in all.)18

 

[daveleau]

Paul deals with this in 1 Cor 1

1Co 1:11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ."
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.


The Holy Spirit enters you when you are Saved. Without it, you are not Saved. The question is whether the Holy Spirit can leave you or not. Most Baptists believe that once you accept the Holy Spirit and Salvation, you can not lose it because all sins are covered by the blood of Jesus. There is no need for a second coat because this theology cheapens the sacrifice of Christ.

As for speaking in tounges, some receive this gift and some do not. It is not mandatory for Salvation and an automatic happening once the Holy Spirit enters you. This is talked about in 1 Cor 12:

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant:
1Co 12:2 You know that [38] you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led.
1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
1Co 12:8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
1Co 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same [39] Spirit,
1Co 12:10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Co 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into [40] one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:16 And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling?
1Co 12:18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.

God bless,
Dave

 

[rural_preacher]

I just want to emphasize verse 13 of chapter 12 (the passage quoted above by Dave).

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

The baptism of the HS is simply His work of immersing every believer into the body of Christ at the moment of salvation.

That verse says we are all baptized by the Spirit. Not some of us. It is not subsequent to salvation, it is at the moment of salvation. It is simultaneous with His work of regeneration, indwelling and sealing the new believer.

All means all and that's all all means.


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[daveleau]

I like that last bit, RP.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rural_preacher again."

 

[perpendicular_bisector]

As for speaking in tounges, some receive this gift and some do not.

Hi Im currently attending a Baptists Church and we're moving away from this doctrine which I think might be unscriptural.

As Peter said to the Crowd (ACTS 2) after they all spake in manifold tongues: Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive this gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far away, for all the Lord our God will call to himself.

If this gift is for all them it isnt just for some. As for being baptised into the name of the Lord Jesus, Lismoores post said ' John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, in Jesus." 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, 19:6 and when Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they began to speak in tongues and to prophesy 19:7 Now there were about twelve men in all'

All twelve of them got baptised into the name of the Lord Jesus and received the Holy Spirit and spake in tongues and prophecied. They were already saved and baptised in waters before this.

The Apostle Paul also writes: ' I thank God I speak in tongues more than any of you' and 'I would like you all to speak in tongues but I would rather have you to prophecy' . Now the Greek for would like is 'tha ithela' the word used in the Greek here is 'thelo' (I want) Thelo ena cafe me gala parakalo! Therefore ' I want you all to speak in tongues'

Finally at pentecost it says all the believers were together in one place and they heard a noise like the blowing of a violent wind and tongues of fire came on all of them. There wasnt a corner for yous guys to hide away there! No no I dont want its not for me dont contaminate my views with thy wonderful Holy Spirit O Lord! It was the fire for all. And God is the same now as then! Its the people that changes things God does not change his words! God gave to all then and he wants to give the same to all now.

Dont be afaraid of receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit I was in you're boat but thank God now I have the HS and many believers the baptist minister here have it as well. This wonderful empowering gift is for all whom the Lord our God will call to himself! Its always them that dont have it that say its for some only! Dont be afraid step out of the boat and the Lord will see you well!

Peace be with you
Perp

 

[lismore]

The Holy Spirit enters you when you are Saved. Without it, you are not Saved.

Hi dave,
Thanks for your reply! I'm not sure if the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is actually referring to salvation, it seems more like something that happens afterwards. Im not sure that it cheapens salvation.

Jesus said 'You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you and you shall be my witnessess in Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth', he also said in relation to this: 'stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high'. He was talking here to believers. These words were fulfilled at Pentecost time. So it seems to be something after salvation which doesnt detract from it.

The Holy Spirit will enter someone when they make their commitment, but to be baptised in the H/s seems to be something thats happens to believers


Ananias said it to Saul: :17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, placed34 his hands on Saul35 and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came here,36 has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."37 9:18

Ananias called Saul his brother so Saul must have been a believer by this point and here he was about to be filled with the Holy Spirit.




Peter at Cornelius House
Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on125 all those who heard the message.126 10:45 The127 circumcised believers128 who had accompanied Peter were greatly astonished129 that130 the gift of the Holy Spirit131 had been poured out132 even on the Gentiles, 10:46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and praising133 God.
The Holy Spirit comes at the laying on of hands

Here the baptism in the Holy Spirit came on all cornelius household at the point of believeing



ACts 8:14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem46 heard that Samaria had accepted the word47 of God, they sent48 Peter and John to them. 8:15 These two49 went down and prayed for them so that they would receive the Holy Spirit. 8:16 (For the Spirit50 had not yet come upon51 any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)52 8:17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on the Samaritans,53 and they received the Holy Spirit.54
8:18 Now Simon, when he saw that the Spirit55 was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, offered them money, 8:19 saying, "Give me this power56 too, so that everyone I place my hands on may receive the Holy Spirit."

Here believers required the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and so Peter and John were sent to give the laying on of hands. Simon saw that the Holy Spirit came on the believers with the laying on of hands and prayer.



Apollos knowing only water baptism was given more accurate information about the Lord's way

18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Ephesus.92 He was an eloquent speaker,93 well-versed94 in the scriptures. 18:25 He had been instructed in95 the way of the Lord, and with great enthusiasm96 he spoke and taught accurately the facts97 about Jesus, although he knew98 only the baptism of John. 18:26 He began to speak out fearlessly99 in the synagogue,100 but when Priscilla and Aquila101 heard him, they took him aside102 and explained the way of God to him more accurately

Acts 19: these believers in my first post only had water baptism. Paul told them the further Baptism was available to the twelve of them and he laid his hands on them and they spoke in tongues and prophecied.

Dont think it is essential to salvation, but it does exist and I assume it is still recommended for the believer to use.

 

[lismore]

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The baptism of the HS is simply His work of immersing every believer into the body of Christ at the moment of salvation.


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Hi Friend

: the Baptism in the H/s very often in the Bible came to believers: Like Jesus in Acts 1v8 promised the H/S to the believers and this came at Pentecost. Obviously the 12 apostles, mary the mother, mary magdalene etc were believers.

Pauls in ACts 19 gave the baptism in the H/s to believers by the laying on of hands and there are other examples. It is for the empowerment of the believer to witness effectively.

 

[rural_preacher]

Hi Friend

: the Baptism in the H/s very often in the Bible came to believers: Like Jesus in Acts 1v8 promised the H/S to the believers and this came at Pentecost. Obviously the 12 apostles, mary the mother, mary magdalene etc were believers.

Pauls in ACts 19 gave the baptism in the H/s to believers by the laying on of hands and there are other examples. It is for the empowerment of the believer to witness effectively.

Don't confuse transitional occurences with normative occurences. Some of the events in Acts were unusual occurences for the purpose of confirming the message of the Apostles. Throughout NT teaching (particularly the Epistles) we see the normative occurence of repentance, faith and regeneration (by the HS) all happening at the time of salvation.

Another common mistake is to regard the baptism and filling of the Holy Spirit as the same thing. They are not. We are commanded to be filled with the HS; however, we are never told to be baptized by the Spirit. Rather, the baptism of the Spirit is always spoken of as something that has happened in the believers life. Without the indwelling Spirit you are not a believer. The filling of the Spirit is that empowering work of the Spirit in a believer's life. Baptism is the work of placing the believer into the Body of Christ at salvation. That is normative.

Titus 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:9, But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

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[Ave Maria]

I always understood that one was baptised in the Holy Spirit as soon as they received salvation.

 

[daveleau]

As Peter said to the Crowd (ACTS 2) after they all spake in manifold tongues: Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive this gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far away, for all the Lord our God will call to himself.

This verse does say that everyone that is Saved is Baptized by the Holy Spirit. It says everyone will receive this gift. It says nothing about tongues or any of the other gifts. The gift here is the only gift in the context, which is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

19:6 and when Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they began to speak in tongues and to prophesy 19:7 Now there were about twelve men in all'

In this case, 12 men were all given the gift of tongues. There is nothing that says that everyone gets this gift. It only happened this time and was recorded in Scripture. It was the first time this had happened. The important thing is not to make something out of this that is not in Scripture. Yes, it happened. But no, it definitely is not describing each time a person is Saved. If it was, then there is a definite complete and irreconcilable conflict between this passage and 1 Cor 12. This is not so, because the Bible is inerrant and there are no conflicts. Paul says in 1 Cor 12 that everyone does not get the same fruits. It says "SOME" get the gift of tongues. It does not say that all Christians receive tongues when we are saved. There are instances of some groups receiving them when they are saved and there are instances of some NOT receiving them when they are saved.

I thank God I speak in tongues more than any of you' and 'I would like you all to speak in tongues but I would rather have you to prophecy' . Now the Greek for would like is 'tha ithela' the word used in the Greek here is 'thelo' (I want) Thelo ena cafe me gala parakalo! Therefore ' I want you all to speak in tongues'

This does not mean that all spoke in tongues. It means that Paul wanted each to do so. It does not say that it happened. Again, you can not look at one Scripture and make a theology on it, or heresy ensues. (Not saying this is heresy, but I am saying that your position is not supported by exegesis.)

Finally at pentecost it says all the believers were together in one place and they heard a noise like the blowing of a violent wind and tongues of fire came on all of them. There wasnt a corner for yous guys to hide away there! No no I dont want its not for me dont contaminate my views with thy wonderful Holy Spirit O Lord! It was the fire for all. And God is the same now as then! Its the people that changes things God does not change his words! God gave to all then and he wants to give the same to all now.

Dont be afaraid of receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit I was in you're boat but thank God now I have the HS and many believers the baptist minister here have it as well. This wonderful empowering gift is for all whom the Lord our God will call to himself! Its always them that dont have it that say its for some only! Dont be afraid step out of the boat and the Lord will see you well!

Peace be with you
Perp

I am not saying that tongues are impossible. I am saying that everyone does not receive them. As Paul said, some receive tongues and some receive other gifts. Do not be upset or feel less blessed if you do not receive tongues.

 

[lismore]

This verse does say that everyone that is Saved is Baptized by the Holy Spirit.

No, it just says that everyone that God will call will act like this. Giving diverse races the gospel in their own language. Peter even quoted the prophet Joel in reference to this: 'in the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh'. The spirit did seem to be poured out on all the believers there and In the scripture regarding Peter and John and the Samaritan believers and Paul with the Ephesian believers the apostles sought out believers who did not have the Baptism in the HS and gave it to them.



In this case, 12 men were all given the gift of tongues. There is nothing that says that everyone gets this gift.

Thats only true if there were 13 or more men.


It only happened this time and was recorded in Scripture. It was the first time this had happened.

There were other examples reported like Peter and John going to the Samaritan believers who did not have the HS. There are no references to the Apostles saying 'they dont have the holy spirit but we wont go and see them because not everyone gets it'.


The important thing is not to make something out of this that is not in Scripture.

Which is what you're trying to do. You're trying to prove that the scripture says not everyone can have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is not true. Its not true that the scripture says people are obligated to have it. Its available for you but its your choice wether you want it or not. However if you meet someone who knows the importance of it like Paul, peter and John did with those believers, or like Jesus promised to the 120, then they will encourage you to accept god's gift for you.

This is not so, because the Bible is inerrant and there are no conflicts. Paul says in 1 Cor 12 that everyone does not get the same fruits. It says "SOME" get the gift of tongues.

Yes in the context of the assembly some get the gift of tongues and others the gift of interpretation for the edifiication of the body. Tongues in this context are for the edification of the body so it would not be practical for everyone to shout out or interpret at once. But in this context of the assembly also, as you can see in practice, at a following meeting, the previous interpreter may well receive the message in tongues and the previous speaker may receive the interpretation. God speaks through whom he chooses. However in the evangilism situation such as at Pentecost then all may well speak at the same time if there are many people to be spoken to. Tongues are also useful as a private prayer tool for self edification. This is where Pauls says he prays in tongues more than anyone.

Is patience not a fruit that all can receive?


It does not say that all Christians receive tongues when we are saved. There are instances of some groups receiving them when they are saved and there are instances of some NOT receiving them when they are saved.

Yes as the numerous scripture references above showed they received tongues at different times, but they all received them. Appollos had the Lord's way explained to him 'more accurately' because he only knew the baptism of John, which may be the situation with you friend? The samaritan believers, the ephesian believers were prayed for by the apostles when the apostles heard they didnt have it.

Paul says earnestly desire the gifts. You yourself friend will receive it if you take the apostle's advice



This does not mean that all spoke in tongues. It means that Paul wanted each to do so.

All scripture is God breathed and useful for the encouragement of the saints. When the bible written by an apostle says something it is what the Lord is saying through them. Therefore the Lord says I want you all to speak in tongues.



Do not be upset or feel less blessed if you do not receive tongues

I wont I've received it . I used to believe the same as you friend until someone showed me the way of the Lord more accurately. If you seek after the Lord for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit you will receive it for Jesus has promised this: Acts 1v8. Tongues is shown as scriptural, if we turn it into a denominational issue, if the pentecostals and charismatics go into the fullness, if many baptists hang back and many go forward and if other denominations denounce God's gift as bad then we are turning God's fullness into a point of human contention!

 

[perpendicular_bisector]

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. We are commanded to be filled with the HS; however, we are never told to be baptized by the Spirit.


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Command no; available for all yes.

Do you have Baptism in Holy Spirit man? If not you talk about things not understood by you. We are encouraged by Bbible to have Baptism in Hol Sprit. It is available for all believers, if you want it. The things that went on in Acts are things that go on today, Gospel is preached with God there is power. Even if Acts were not to be taken by us then Epsitles and the other letters still do not back up your position. If they do can you please send me references. I read above that Dave and lismoore have seen that Cor 12 does not support such a view as yours so please dont post this with more jargon terms.

Please my brother please please, this is gift from God, if you dont want it then that is your choice and is fine! But please do not make doctrine that some others cannot have it because all can have. With salvation gift all can have but many say no no I not want this! With Holy Spirit gift it is same: if you dont want then you dont want, but to try to make bible say something other than it does is not good man

 

[rural_preacher]

Do you have Baptism in Holy Spirit man?

Yes, Praise God I have been baptized by the HS. It happened many years ago when I came to Jesus in repentance and faith and was born again by the grace and power of God. The Spirit baptized me into the body of Christ.

I also walk a Spirit-filled walk daily by the grace of God.

Does this make me a Pentecostal/Charismatic? No, it makes me a Bible-believing, Bible-obeying, Spirit-empowered believer in Jesus Christ.

And speaking in tongues is not necessary for this all to be true in my life.

Just a word of caution...this is the Baptist/Anabaptist forum. Asking questions of us regarding our belief about the baptism of the Spirit is okay. However, I think that some of you (who are apparently not Baptist or Anabaptist) are beginning to overstep the boundaries as you are insisting on charismatic doctrine in a non-charismatic forum.

I enjoy discussing such issues, but there are rules here.

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[perpendicular_bisector]

Yes, Praise God I have been baptized by the HS. It happened many years ago when I came to Jesus in repentance and faith and was born again by the grace and power of God. The Spirit baptized me into the body of Christ.



Just a word of caution...this is the Baptist/Anabaptist forum. Asking questions of us regarding our belief about the baptism of the Spirit is okay. However, I think that some of you (who are apparently not Baptist or Anabaptist) are beginning to overstep the boundaries as you are insisting on charismatic doctrine in a non-charismatic forum.

I enjoy discussing such issues, but there are rules here.

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Hi I am member of a basptist church I mcannot speak for any other. Never been to a charismatic group so dont know but just quoting what I read in bible and what my minister is telling m,e


You seem to be confusing a commitment with Holy Spirit baptism. I find accroding to agreed doctrines there is four baptisms:

1) One spirit into one body: baptism which makes you Christian. Commitment

2) Water Baptism: proclaims us Christian. Evil power see this sign that we are through waters.

3) Holy Spirit Baptism: empowers us as Christian. Signs propehcy and tongues

4) Baptism of 'Fire', toughens you as Christian. Go through experience with Jesus help

Can I ask how you interpret these propehcies in tongues in your baptist church? In mine we sometimes get (maybe few times in year) and interpretation comes. Not alwayrs same man or woman. Also how you confirm that interpretation is correct?

 

[rural_preacher]

Hi I am member of a basptist church I mcannot speak for any other. Never been to a charismatic group so dont know but just quoting what I read in bible and what my minister is telling m,e


You seem to be confusing a commitment with Holy Spirit baptism. I find accroding to agreed doctrines there is four baptisms:

1) One spirit into one body: baptism which makes you Christian. Commitment

2) Water Baptism: proclaims us Christian. Evil power see this sign that we are through waters.

3) Holy Spirit Baptism: empowers us as Christian. Signs propehcy and tongues

4) Baptism of 'Fire', toughens you as Christian. Go through experience with Jesus help

Can I ask how you interpret these propehcies in tongues in your baptist church? In mine we sometimes get (maybe few times in year) and interpretation comes. Not alwayrs same man or woman. Also how you confirm that interpretation is correct?

No, I am not confusing anything. I think that you are confusing HS baptism and HS filling. In #3 above you are calling the empowering work of the Spirit "baptism". The Word of God (Bible) calls that being filled with the Spirit. Again, I Corinthians 12:13 tells us that we (believers) have all been baptized by one Spirit into one body. Not some, but all. It is that which happens at salvation. The filling of Spirit is something that happens subsequent to salvation and happens again and again in a believer as they submit in obedience to the Spirit's work in their life.

There are not two Spirit baptisms.

Ephesians 4:4-6, There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

This "one baptism" is the work of the Spirit placing us in Christ. Water baptism is an outward identification with Christ symbolizing the reality of what has already happened inwardly.

Spirit baptism is at salvation. Spirit filling is subsequent to salvation as the believer submits to Him for His empowering to do the work of God. "I strive according to His power which works in me mightily" Col. 1:29.

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In regard to confirming interpretation...the written Word of God is the unchanging and final authority for all matters in the church. That which is in full, harmonious agreement with the Word is from God. That which is in opposition to the Word is not from God. That would be the case if someone spoke in a language that required interpretation.

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[lismore]

No, I am not confusing anything. I think that you are confusing HS baptism and HS filling. In #3 above you are calling the empowering work of the Spirit "baptism". The Word of God (Bible) calls that being filled with the Spirit. Again, I Corinthians 12:13 tells us that we (believers) have all been baptized by one Spirit into one body. Not some, but all. It is that which happens at salvation. The filling of Spirit is something that happens subsequent to salvation and happens again and again in a believer as they submit in obedience to the Spirit's work in their life.

There are not two Spirit baptisms.

This "one baptism" is the work of the Spirit placing us in Christ. Water baptism is an outward identification with Christ symbolizing the reality of what has already happened inwardly.

Spirit baptism is at salvation. Spirit filling is subsequent to salvation as the believer submits to Him for His empowering to do the work of God. "I strive according to His power which works in me mightily" Col. 1:29.

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In regard to confirming interpretation...the written Word of God is the unchanging and final authority for all matters in the church. That which is in full, harmonious agreement with the Word is from God. That which is in opposition to the Word is not from God. That would be the case if someone spoke in a language that required interpretation.

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Hi Friend!

I think you misunderstood this persons post. It seems English is not his first language but I think what he's trying to say is that you are confusing:

John 20:22 And after he said this, he breathed on them and said,36 "Receive the Holy Spirit.37 20:23 If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven;38 if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained."39

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Acts: 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts22 of the earth>>>>>>>>>>>2:3 And tongues spreading out like a fire6 appeared to them and came to rest on each one of them. 2:4 All7 of them were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they began to speak8 in other languages9 as the Spirit enabled them.

If you have the first then I will pray you have the oppotunity to receive the second. "Received" and "come upon". dear brother no-one is trying to get at you or upset you, thankyou very much for answering my question, I think Baptist doctrines on this are split like most denominations are. My own opinion is zero

Also above where you asked friend if anyone was pentecostal or charismatic, my own situation is I have had dealings with several denominations: as a child in the Catholic Church, evening services in a baptist church (with prayer meetings and outreach on saturdays), brethern church in my street (occasional visitor), campus christian union, AOG, non denominational outreach to china. The only two where this was an issue was at the brethern where they were dead set against it without explaining why and AOG. Surprisingly the catholics (or at least that congregation's priest) were in favour of this in a biblical sense. One baptist friend also said he didnt want this but for different reasons from yourself. The baptist pastor I knew seemed to hold similar views on it to the catholics- that it was available but that not everyone would choose to use it. The AOg view was a bit off what the bible says

God Bless you Lets not argue any more friends but be careful, if you ever attend a meeting where the presence of the Lord comes in like at pentecost you might not be able to escape without his gift