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ok simonline,

I have a new question...after reading the chapter about exodus, i am now reading it in the bible and came across something that wasnt talked about in David Pawsons book...maybe you know or have another reference....

Exodus 4:24-26 ""On the journey back, as they camped for the night, God met Moses and would have killed him but Zipporah took a flint knife and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched Moses' member with it. She said, "Oh! You're a bridegroom of blood to me!" Then God let him go. She used the phrase "bridegroom of blood" because of the circumcision.""

Now i know that God commanded the Israelites to be circumsized to signify the covenant between God and his people. So this is when Moses is coming back from the mountain with his family to meet Aaron and go to Egypt. I dont understand the relevance of this. Why would God attempt to kill Moses after he had just given him this amazing task? If he wasnt circumsized to begin with, when God gave him the task, wouldnt he have told him he needed it done? Maybe you can shed more light onto what this means. Thanks!
 
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Sadiegirl, I have just begin to study a little on the topic of 'how to read the bible like a hebrew' and this is very interesting.

obviously the bible was not written for an English audience, it was written (in the case of the OT) in Hebrew by Hebrews.

So many things in the OT may not be very clear if you are not a Hebrew :)
This is where studying the culture of the ancients is beneficial to understanding. If one is not that dedicated, you can always hear someone elses teaching, and make a decision whether that teacher can be trusted.
 
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Thats very true Mark. And in my readings i can see how it is actually both...it was written at the time to be relevant to the hebrews only...but since it is from Gods point of view as to what was important during that time...it is also relevant to all of us. I would like to later include a study of the hebrew people so i can futher understand their culture, and therefore more of the bible as well. I do notice however, how alot of nations are similar to israel. Take the USA for example. They were founded on upstanding christian men, and once God is removed from leadership things start to go bad. Look at us now. Sure we are still a blessed country, but more and more we ask God to step out of our lives, and being a gentleman...he does, unfortunately it is for our worse...i can only see the pattern in israel here! Its quite sad how we as a human race do not learn, we just make mistakes over and over. Which is why we are to be in the world, but not of the world.

One thing i'm sooooo grateful to God, is the fact of not having to make sacrifices anymore! Animal ones i mean...thanks to Jesus for being enough for all of us. We are very lucky to live in this time...and Simonline, i am so in love with my books, Pawson's and God's! lol. Truly amazing. And i'm only on Numbers, lol, almost finished though. Before i would never have been able to make it through those books, but in reading Pawson's book beforehand, makes it so easy for me to see the meanings and relevance...thanks again for recommending! Once i'm done, i'll need another good book, i'll come see you! :)
 
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The wisdom of YHWH is like a bottomless mine shaft. You can mine God's wisdom forever and you will never exhaust it.

A Shotgun. Deadly at close range, but as the blast travels a distance the pellets spread out. The puncture of a nail point punctures the flesh, but the flat end wouldn't stab you near as easily. Each
time, each end, the same amount of force was applied, but this is a question of concentration. So,
do I really need to concentrate deeply and intensely about the problems in my life? What about a sort
of 'shotgun' of facts and thoughts, spread out in an area that touches on more then one side of a subject? Or perhaps it trails off, and looses the structure of any sort of essay? My grammar is politically incorrect. I suppose modern art is ugly, too. A lack of revenge is a lack of 'justice' hence we see 'Mother Earth' to die slowly, because life will destroy what it needs. Why? oh why, if I could only understand, then perhaps my fear of this vast problem would be less powerful then my ability to act? nay. I ask again, with limited and perhaps misplaced courage, for there are many sorts of courage, some deadly, and some life preserving. Why, do I destroy what I need most? Because it cannot cry when I kill it,
thus I watch it die with a neutral and bland sympathy or lack of it, and I watch it die like a boring day,
a passing day, a rotation of the Earth, each day unique and I'll never see such a thing again.
What a boring vastly complex, unstimulating only upon the un-insightful surface, sort of day it was now symbolically stored within my brain between a few neurons. I'm the only one ever to see this day, in my own way, and never again will I see this day. Boring, because of how many of these days I've had, just like the boring mass of billions of people on Earth, now less exciting and stimulating then their own death on a new report. So, I'll also look back at something else, something that I need, something that I can't get back, and something I was squander almost suicidally. It was what I needed, it's all around me, it's 'life', anything I could ever do. Yet, I was 'created' 'in the image of God'? Perhaps a subject is like a string, and a fact being a dimension?This one string can lead to another. Imagine
a vector having a certain and eventual collision with the end trails of another vector only within
an assured space of infinite vectors
. A spider spins many strings, then catches a fly intimately
hold it close after a quick spin of entangling re-curved vector,
and it's kiss means a puncture and injection of digestive fluid.Eventually, whats taken back into the spider is the entire body of the fly. How much more so, a friend? perhaps this web of facts can catch a new and unbiased mind, then with
a quick redirection of
facts and opinion, what was given becomes what was taken away all be it every thing now taken, and nothing left but a memory and an external shell, to hard to fully digest. I've wondered more thence, if this was my soul on Earth. A crystal shattered, though gradually formed.
An ice crystal hanging down. Strange how something that all life needed pulled in a direction could become sharp and cold. It happens every winter, and is a question of condition. So I've wondered,
is any evil man more then an extension of his origin? The effect of a cause? The end of the means? Sweet pity, you almost as sweet as insanity. The ideal world saves you, it doesn't kill you. Which was it that created everything that you have, and which was it that said 'no'. Hence, we must say 'no' to anything and everything, once it reaches a point which we've somehow stopped tolerating. It's a strange thing, this intolerance. In the right hands, it is a just and honorable society, but in the wrong hands, it is tyranny, hate, and oppression. Then again, I'd hopefully not be too near sighted here. Saying 'no' is not always a solution or a problem. If engineering is an expert working with a complex process or technology, then who or what is a man that can handle, understand, and properly direct his own life? It's hard to write a book about it, but there are more then a million books about sub factors of this complexity called 'life'. So, [*how 'wise' is 'wise'?*] When do we stop tolerating the claim that we are stupid, and inexperienced? What line will be drawn, and where? I suppose that same line is the vector destined to collide with the end trail of another, within an infinite possibility, and also the string spun into a web. To engineer an infinite possibility, to build what has never yet been built, to question what has never been known before, and to stop and think about everything that ever was, is, and will be, [[HOW 'WISE' IS 'WISE'?]] No. Here is where I do not tolerate it. No, I'd easily say again. 'WISE' itself is much like 'no', in that it can be 'good' or 'bad'. The vector that was the thought, that made the web, that tou ched the second and the third perpetually, this vector and direction is the only thing that can solidly be 'good' or 'bad'? NO, because it can be misguided. So, what other then this? Well supposing that the vector was a cause, and the end trail was an effect, perhaps also
the vector
now causing
, was originally an effect, much like a segment of the multiple universe, or
a mother's child
. This was it. chaos, or curve? what is the limit of knowledge? HOW 'WISE' IS 'WISE'?
Perhaps it no longer has anything to do with a limit? Perhaps it now has to do with relativity? I'd rather eat a potato then a rock. I'd rather know the relative, instead of the less then relative. What
if it was
more then relative
? What if it was as valuable as the scalar concept of potential change itself? What if it was faith and persistence in your own thought creation ability? This is hardly predetermined. As soon as you know the unknown, and imagine what does not yet exist, you have 'created' and this can never be predetermined, because it never was.

How 'wise' is YHWH?
 
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Circumcision of Abram and his descendents

Ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised; and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh
of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Genesis 17:11-14
 
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Demiprist...that was very interesting and beautifully written. It seems to me that you have pondered many meanings of life. Have you found the answers yet, or are you still pondering? And thank you, i know what circumcision is, and the relation it has to God, what my question was about why God gave Moses the great task yet later tried to kill him? I want to know what the meaning is behind that. Its in the story of Exodus.
 
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Were you there at the beginning?

Thats irrelevant. If humans are extended creations of God, by origin of his actions, we were there long before our evolutionary process or spiritual progression as a separate part of the Primate Order. We are either of Him, or completely in his absence assuming He will 'come back' when His works are already finished.
By Jesus as 'The Word', we were all there.

*http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/index.php#End [Chapters 37-42.]
 
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Have you found the answers yet, or are you still pondering? my question was about why God gave Moses the great task yet later tried to kill him? I want to know what the meaning is behind that.

I will continue to ponder the infinite, until I meet my creator and we may discuss everything equally infinitely (maybe). Hopefully then the answers shall be washed over me, like the Libido ['whitening'] of my spirit.

Atheists have always argued something like 'God doesn't exist' or
'if God contradicts himself he's not perfect'.
I must say these things:
If it contradicts itself, it can't truly be a part of God's perfect being.
The human brain has limitations too fathom God, we can easily misunderstand and lie about Him though it would not be harmonic and healthy for either Him or us.
If our Lord, our Creator, is imperfect as well after so many contradictions.
Would it not be equally loving to repair and help Him through his time of equal
human development in the universe?
I love God, like He love everyone else.
It should not be frowned upon or taboo to want to repair an unrefined concept, an absolutism,
and an unchanging history of abuse and mutation within both Him and His descendent's/creation.
God exists, he also doesn't exist.
I'd like to think that He does, so that we may heal and repair each other.
If it is illegal to improve, I'm the worst criminal humanity has conceived and decieved itself against.
In this way, I feel sympathy for the adversary and wish for his own healing and fulfillment with God.
This doesn't make me Satanic, or promoting other beliefs,
I just wish for a healthy solution to the great explosion,
the collision, the fragmented conscious of a creative power we may also deem as God.
We must be cautious in our fellowship to God,
for our most progressive movement could mean injustice and sin for Him.
Even though it's truly a means to help as a collective, instead of allot of individual competing humans.


Moses committed acts of crime against or with the name of Yahweh,
no matter their actions I think God needed to attempt removing the viruses and parasitism
taking over his most precious creation. I think He didn't mind Adam and Eve acknowledging
their nakedness (honest, truthful carnal instinct), it's how they reacted too it that made him
(or them, Elohim) feel so sad and and resorting to enforcing their leaving the Garden.

How are those thoughts and feelings?
~TheDemiprist
 
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ok...i agree with you, but want to say that God doesnt contradict himself, he merely expands on the understanding and wisdom that he gives to us humans. We cannot expect our minds to be as full and comprehensive as His. So of course when we dont understand something, many write it off as untrue, or imperfect, instead of humbling our own selfish minds/hearts to what he is truly trying to teach us. There are many controversial things about God...like war for example. While i dont think that God needs our help to improve himself (he is already perfect...his name is I AM) it is our responsibility to help each other. Which the human race has failed at horribly, and blamed God for everything. We are created in his likeness, not implying we are him, or demi-gods...we experience feelings like he does, and unlike God, we sin all the time.

You know, i have also thought of what would happen if Satan repented, truly did, and would God forgive him? How things would change. But regardless of what happens, it is all in his plan. And something i'm a little perplexed about (i'm not meaning to question Yahweh, but i do want to know) is he created the angels and everything alive...so he did create satan, knowing his heart, and what he would do. So essentially did God create evil? And if Satan knows hes doomed, why doesnt he just give it all up and resign, repenting and come back? Sigh, to many questions. I want to know, but dont want to be bordering on blaspheming my LORD.

You're right about humans needing to come together as a collective force...i.e. the body of Christ, and i would say that instead of using caution in dealing with God, use caution in dealing with ourselves. If we trust God and follow him, we cant go wrong, but if we start to lean on our own understanding is when things start to spiral downwards. I've learned that too many times to keep repeating it.

God was saddened at the fact that Adam and Eve disobeyed him. However i think things might be different if they hadnt blamed, but admitted their sin and repented to God. And with Moses he did sin against God in their encounter at the bush. He wasnt really listening to Him at all, lol, fighting with him the whole time. I do know though that to really know God, and be humbled before him, we must first know the Fear-of-God...so maybe God was instilling that into Moses...
 
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ok...i agree with you, but want to say that God doesnt contradict himself, he merely expands on the understanding and wisdom that he gives to us humans. We cannot expect our minds to be as full and comprehensive as His. So of course when we dont understand something, many write it off as untrue, or imperfect, instead of humbling our own selfish minds/hearts to what he is truly trying to teach us. There are many controversial things about God...like war for example. While i dont think that God needs our help to improve himself (he is already perfect...his name is I AM) it is our responsibility to help each other. Which the human race has failed at horribly, and blamed God for everything. We are created in his likeness, not implying we are him, or demi-gods...we experience feelings like he does, and unlike God, we sin all the time.

You know, i have also thought of what would happen if Satan repented, truly did, and would God forgive him? How things would change. But regardless of what happens, it is all in his plan. And something i'm a little perplexed about (i'm not meaning to question Yahweh, but i do want to know) is he created the angels and everything alive...so he did create satan, knowing his heart, and what he would do. So essentially did God create evil? And if Satan knows hes doomed, why doesnt he just give it all up and resign, repenting and come back? Sigh, to many questions. I want to know, but dont want to be bordering on blaspheming my LORD.

You're right about humans needing to come together as a collective force...i.e. the body of Christ, and i would say that instead of using caution in dealing with God, use caution in dealing with ourselves. If we trust God and follow him, we cant go wrong, but if we start to lean on our own understanding is when things start to spiral downwards. I've learned that too many times to keep repeating it.

God was saddened at the fact that Adam and Eve disobeyed him. However i think things might be different if they hadnt blamed, but admitted their sin and repented to God. And with Moses he did sin against God in their encounter at the bush. He wasnt really listening to Him at all, lol, fighting with him the whole time. I do know though that to really know God, and be humbled before him, we must first know the Fear-of-God...so maybe God was instilling that into Moses...

I wasn't saying He does, I was actually defending in agreement that He doesn't (including since he is not or can't be the origin of those contradictions).

Most prophets were near the Earth, instead of closer too fellow humans. I may be wrong, but from what I've gathered this is an accurate account of Earth providing herself the wisdom of God into the human psyche. It was well recognized throughout Christian Alchemy and how it effects the psychology of bible characters/historic members.

I could say: I AM happy. Does this mean God is happy with me, because I'm showing
self-love (not abusing my body with sins, and not being full of self-righteous pride)?

I was saying, with being exposed to the imperfections of humanity: there had to be some sort of damage or mutation on his limbs and spirit. Like, say I was filled with the Spirit of Wisdom and all of a sudden my life is threatened. Does it evacuate my body for safety, or stay inside and keep me alive? that is sort of what I was trying to say. He had to be effected, being within the universe and under his own former laws of nature. Sorry my clarity isn't as good as it should be.

I don't blame God, blame won't solve anything,
although I miss Him because I cannot feel Him.

I think if God stayed far away enough from Earth, and was self sufficient
then He would have no problem forgiving Satan for his actions.

Essentially, evil reproduces, both physically and non-physically. One is the lesser,
the necessity while the other is the true adversary or the disgusting/salty truth.

Satan stayed out of the bible canon for a long time, humans opposed humans,
and this constant opposition became truly 'Satan' in it's own way.

I think he repents constantly, but if God is not around, his repentance goes unheard
and must depend on humanity (this is why he rules this Earth, he has also been disconnected
from God. At least we can have some sort of conception or creativity in trying to fathom the
creator, Satan is a greatly misunderstood character, which is why I feel closer too him but not
in a worshiping way, that is meant against Christ).

If it's blasphemy to ask unanswered questions, it's a sin to have no genetic knowledge already
applied to be aware of the answers without curiously searching over ruins and ancient dark arts,
this is a mutual sin that God and humanity must resolve or continue the slave-master complexity
with Jesus eternally having rulership of Earth.

I don't mind the body of Christ being the vessel for the collective, but I find that too needs refinement.

The caution may also be mutual, though we know ourselves 'better',
fathoming the whole complete infinite of God is another matter.

Fear of God is worse then fear of other humans, it's toxic. It's like living on the 'black cloud' that covered or was the Earth before God gave light, without being able to see God we would choke on the fumes
and literally burn for making the wrong step (call it the 'Pre-physical material Hell' before we had physical bodies to attempt adapting with).

Hope I didn't offend with my words.
~TheDemiprist
 
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I wasn't saying He does, I was actually defending in agreement that He doesn't (including since he is not or can't be the origin of those contradictions).

Ok, i see what you're saying about that. :)

Most prophets were near the Earth, instead of closer too fellow humans. I may be wrong, but from what I've gathered this is an accurate account of Earth providing herself the wisdom of God into the human psyche. It was well recognized throughout Christian Alchemy and how it effects the psychology of bible characters/historic members.

I would agree with that in relation to the OT times. Whereas in the NT times, the prophets were sent out in love to the people. I'm still studying the OT so i cant give as thorough a response as i would like too...thinking before speaking with adequate knowledge is important.

I could say: I AM happy. Does this mean God is happy with me, because I'm showing
self-love (not abusing my body with sins, and not being full of self-righteous pride)?

Yes that does please him, refraining from sin and keeping your body clean. However it is two-fold, doing that in accordance with loving others and Him, and following Jesus' teachings, then i would say God and essentially you would be truly happy.

I was saying, with being exposed to the imperfections of humanity: there had to be some sort of damage or mutation on his limbs and spirit. Like, say I was filled with the Spirit of Wisdom and all of a sudden my life is threatened. Does it evacuate my body for safety, or stay inside and keep me alive? that is sort of what I was trying to say. He had to be effected, being within the universe and under his own former laws of nature. Sorry my clarity isn't as good as it should be.

No apologies needed, it takes time to understand the person who is speaking, and then to understand their words...I would say that the thing we have damaged the most of God would be his heart. Numerous times in the bible God says his heart was filled with pain, speaking in relation to what us humans have done. I think that if we are to be the body of Christ, and certain people are not fullfilling their roles, then the body of Christ would be damaged and not as effective as intended. I wouldnt necessarily say that Yahweh himself is mutated, more like the purpose of his believers working together, which is at our own fault. I believe that God gives us his spirit, then expands on the gifts of the spirit such as wisdom. So being that his holy spirit dwells within us, it would certainly not leave when we needed help the most, in fact when called upon, God is right there with us, and will give more gifts of the spirit when we ask and he feels we are ready.

I don't blame God, blame won't solve anything,
although I miss Him because I cannot feel Him.
It wont solve anything, except perpetuate the problems, your right. Thats an interesting statement you made...have you felt him before?

I think if God stayed far away enough from Earth, and was self sufficient
then He would have no problem forgiving Satan for his actions.

God says that he will never leave us or forsake us...so he is saying he wont stay away...there are many that are evil, but there are many that are loyal to him...those of whom he stands by their side. I think the matter is more of if Satan repents....which we dont have any information as to whether he does. We can speculate that he may or may not, but that is a question where the answer is concealed.
Essentially, evil reproduces, both physically and non-physically. One is the lesser,
the necessity while the other is the true adversary or the disgusting/salty truth.

Could you elaborate...while i agree i want to know what you mean by the salty truth....truth is good...while it can be painful....or do you mean the truth about evil...because it is very disgusting...and in the non-physical sense, it is very very real.

Satan stayed out of the bible canon for a long time, humans opposed humans,
and this constant opposition became truly 'Satan' in it's own way.

I see what your saying...satan made his debut in the garden of eden, but isnt really mentioned that much in the OT...well so far that i can account for...i'm only on Deutoronomy so i could very well be wrong.

I think he repents constantly, but if God is not around, his repentance goes unheard
and must depend on humanity (this is why he rules this Earth, he has also been disconnected
from God. At least we can have some sort of conception or creativity in trying to fathom the
creator, Satan is a greatly misunderstood character, which is why I feel closer too him but not
in a worshiping way, that is meant against Christ).

That is something to think about...while God is around, satan has been disconnected....hmmm. I do believe satan is misunderstood, as well as underestimated, which is why we fall to temptation so easily. I understand what you mean...we are all born with a sinful nature...a nature similar to satan's. But it is our choice to die to Christ and be reborn in Him.

If it's blasphemy to ask unanswered questions, it's a sin to have no genetic knowledge already
applied to be aware of the answers without curiously searching over ruins and ancient dark arts,
this is a mutual sin that God and humanity must resolve or continue the slave-master complexity
with Jesus eternally having rulership of Earth.
I guess i meant that i dont want to question God as if he doesnt know what hes doing, but the bible does tell us to question everything...so i just want to be respective i guess. :) And you know i actually, before beginning my walk with God, became involved in such dark arts...very traumatizing period of my life, but i see it as a tool now...i know they are real and am now able to battle them with the authority of Christ in me...praise God.

I don't mind the body of Christ being the vessel for the collective, but I find that too needs refinement.
...on our behalf

The caution may also be mutual, though we know ourselves 'better',
fathoming the whole complete infinite of God is another matter.
Yes i would say mutual as well, but looking back on my life, i never knew myself until i knew God. Who i was back then, was definitely not me, even though i claimed to be in the know with myself. What we want to know about God, we seek, and he reveals...in his own judgment of course.

Fear of God is worse then fear of other humans, it's toxic. It's like living on the 'black cloud' that covered or was the Earth before God gave light, without being able to see God we would choke on the fumes
and literally burn for making the wrong step (call it the 'Pre-physical material Hell' before we had physical bodies to attempt adapting with).
The Fear-of-God is also misinterpreted by many. It is more along the lines of reverance...not God is going to kill me if i step wrong. I never really understood the meaning of Fear-of-God, but would always read in the proverbs and such that humility is found first in the Fear-of-God...i'm sure Simonline could elaborate... :)

Hope I didn't offend with my words.
Never, it takes more than words to offend me. :)
~TheDemiprist
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Whereas in the NT times, the prophets were sent out in love to the people.

Just as easily, that love has been twisted and became a sudden competition of 'correct' monotheism. *sad-face*

However it is two-fold, doing that in accordance with loving others and Him, and following Jesus' teachings, then i would say God and essentially you would be truly happy.

Not all Jesus' teachings would fit the character of the altruistic illusion that has been made in modern culture. I would prefer a complete, interaction with the mysterious nature of The Father before even considering going through and being within The Son. I say this because, as the opposite has happened: the same results are inevitable. The Chemical Wedding is supposed to have some NT significance, kind of like the Pistis Sophia. Both, very comforting writing for me.

I would say that the thing we have damaged the most of God would be his heart. Numerous
times in the bible God says his heart was filled with pain, speaking in relation to what us humans have done.

The heart is a place of circulation, constant heat/pulse, and alignment too the unseen. This could be
a parallel situation with God, he cannot see his effects upon us but he foresees fragments of them by his omniscience. Like, seeing three frames of events, but incapable of finding or organizing them correctly. This would make God confused, even with all knowledge [of himself], and the all seeing [various instances non-relative too the frames ability] at hand (allot of negative outcomes, as opposed to a few positive). Which shows some limitations too his divine infinity, leaving a gap just wide enough for invaders inside Heaven and his created universe that we're inside or close too. He could constantly defend himself, and every thing no problem, but if there are any parasites that reach his heart: the chain reactions on the lower parts such as the universe we live in would be destructive. Without the whole system able to defend itself, our bodies have some self-defense against diseases but God isn't material so he is more prone or weak too outsiders taking over.

I don't like saying these things, but it's what I've envisioned and feared (because I care, not because I
like it). No longer do I have positive premonitions from my creator, instead I carry around heart hardening knowledge that's difficult to bear. I really wish to help though, and I don't want to sound like I'm attacking beliefs or anything: because I'm not, I want to help, but I've been denied of these actions.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Yahweh himself is mutated, more like the purpose of his believers working together, which is at our own fault.

In this way, we would be his inner 'Satan', carrying our own definition of another 'Satan', repetitively abusive exchange between the 'higher' and 'lower' realms of all reality. By another perspective, his mutation would be something similar if not exactly like the rotting of jumping into new bodies/ programs. It's a fictional example, but I think this will be a more clear example of what I'm attempting to describe: Hohenheim of Light, from the FMA series.

Yahweh, like myself, may have been a descending part of another whole. Part of the pre-physical. As
we began growing into weaker and weaker 'god' things, compared too mortals, it was already too late
to warn any others about the invasions and we have had lacking memories of the events. I know it sounds silly, like a joke, or 'stupid'. I'm being honest though, I can still feel my actions from 'above' take a cost
on my body here. I can see them like looking into a new mirror as well. Crystal clear, and painful.

Have you felt him before?

I felt closer too Him in the womb and further apart as I grew into this world. Although I did not see him as 'God', simply an instructor guiding me down too this physical plane to do what he uniquely issued. I can't recall any phrases, or noticeable features about the encounter but it was like 'talking' with a whole group of competing minds but only one can make action or judgment to provide the complete results. It was
far worse then yelling at some friends from primary school in a mall, while your lungs and neck are dry and having a difficult time just to breath. If it wasn't actually God, it was one of his attempted incarnations doing the best it could to inform my spirit before being conceived physically. I understand why they
cry, both before and after. It has allot more to do with just sustenance of the skin and adapting too
a dangerous environment.

God says that he will never leave us or forsake us, so he is saying he wont stay away.

He is capable of being everywhere at once.
Example: Say I placed a part of my spirit into a love letter, and kept it unfounded by a lower species
that I have allot of affection for even though they don't know or have never personally met me. A very advanced, tribal, slightly technological, race of sentient hybrids. If I go to make repairs and heal myself, while that letter is never damaged or written onto with lies and manipulated falsely by the species I care so much for, there should be nothing stopping me from attempting to redirect or keep a constant harmony amongst that species without them encountering my 'word', so it could be called if they revered me as
a deity. Though I would do my best to tell them I'm not, they may continue making false idols out of my attempted interactive avatars. I see God/Yahweh going through this sort of upsetting phase throughout the OT allot. So much ignorance would make any half way infinitely living being resort to destructive climate (asking the invaders to assist, thus forming 'peace' outside the physical) and then the lower species may possibly hold me accountable for any thing that wasn't agreed upon (like, blaming God for something he did not truly create). So now I must destroy both the idols, the corrupted sub species,
and avoid something like a 'gang war' with the invaders far more superior evil technology and genocidal intentions to exploit all resources from my creative will and expression. I didn't mean a situation like a permanent vacation, or kind of like Zarathustra. More like the Hindu meditation, openness, and flexibility too a different part of the same reality, similar program. Then it's a matter of communication on frequencies or something, between God and Satan, or me and the sub species.

do you mean the truth about evil because it is very disgusting and in the non-physical sense,
it is very very real.

Kind of 'truth in general' actually. it's factual, thus it requires the axioms of both a temporary 'good' and
a constant evil.

Satan made his debut in the garden of Eden, but isn't really mentioned that much in the OT.

There's a talent, I think God is a shape shifter. This is why 'satan' would be able to go from being an archangel [Lucifer] too a snake, and lastly a dragon [honest manifestation?]. Not really an attribute of evolution within the universe, but it can be done no problem when you have no physical body.

it is our choice to die to Christ and be reborn in Him.

Satan's role though, like tempting Christ over something that's already destined to be his anyways (change of perspective, further separation from The Father perhaps?) like the kingdoms of the Earth. He had no free will, the great 'adversary' could not help his lack of perfection even in Heaven. Say he's an extension of God, like Michael, call them fingers if you will (if evolution was false, you couldn't see me type this without eyes, and I would lack the ability to type without fingers). Say this finger reached out too the rest of one hand (several other angel dominated universes or something like organic parts of God), and opposed the other side. Not only must God separate from himself because of Satan's actions, he requires more parts too survive (Holy Ghost and The Son perhaps). Now, God is a symbolic deity. Scholars would 'disprove' this argument by exposing Pre-Christian deities. Whose to say this isn't God trying to reach out too us? In this way, we must add Christ and not separate him from these various other demi 'gods' and full 'gods'. Like any puzzle, we must put the pieces we have now together to better identify what God is trying to tell us through various manifestations both before Christianity and some here slightly 'after'. By this method, only through our actions: Satan can reunite with God (bring intelligence where there is none, self-realization, etc). Instead of us humans always influencing opposition against each others cultures and the like, in a very 'satanic' pattern. I apologize if being holistic seems offensive to anyone, but there is
no point in continuing the old customs of monotheism without some sort of healing or flexibility with the theology.

I know they are real and am now able to battle them with the authority of Christ in me.

I don't battle them, I want to break an alliance. Like a freelancer or mercenary, I don't like picking one
side 100%. If I can recognize the progress of one over the other, I'll preserve the opposition and eventually bring them together like two pilots in a war that could have easily shot each other down, becoming friends. Without the war, or in your case, the battle. Humans should remain a neutral species faction, we don't need absolutes.

on our behalf.

Correct, Now if only I could find others to see what I'm trying to say there would be no argument over
this movement or progressive thoughts/feelings.

I'm sure Simonline could elaborate.

I'd like some elaboration, never did gather enough on much of anything relative too the NT.
 
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Not all Jesus' teachings would fit the character of the altruistic illusion that has been made in modern culture. I would prefer a complete, interaction with the mysterious nature of The Father before even considering going through and being within The Son. I say this because, as the opposite has happened: the same results are inevitable.

Being that they are one, i think whichever way you manage to end up at your destination is commendable...


The heart is a place of circulation, constant heat/pulse, and alignment too the unseen. This could be
a parallel situation with God, he cannot see his effects upon us but he foresees fragments of them by his omniscience. Like, seeing three frames of events, but incapable of finding or organizing them correctly. This would make God confused, even with all knowledge [of himself], and the all seeing [various instances non-relative too the frames ability] at hand (allot of negative outcomes, as opposed to a few positive). Which shows some limitations too his divine infinity, leaving a gap just wide enough for invaders inside Heaven and his created universe that we're inside or close too. He could constantly defend himself, and every thing no problem, but if there are any parasites that reach his heart: the chain reactions on the lower parts such as the universe we live in would be destructive. Without the whole system able to defend itself, our bodies have some self-defense against diseases but God isn't material so he is more prone or weak too outsiders taking over.

I see that you didnt identify this passage as what you believe to be the truth, merely as a "could" and "if"...something to think about yes, but being that i know God personally and intimately i no longer have to rely on my own understanding to decipher truth. It can be very draining.

I don't like saying these things, but it's what I've envisioned and feared (because I care, not because I
like it). No longer do I have positive premonitions from my creator, instead I carry around heart hardening knowledge that's difficult to bear. I really wish to help though, and I don't want to sound like I'm attacking beliefs or anything: because I'm not, I want to help, but I've been denied of these actions.

....fear is debilitating, allowing unwanted ideas/feelings/interruption to cloud judgement and instill confusion. You speak of positive things that are and what once were inside you, those are Godly things....fear and heart hardening things are not. While they are generated from the "unknown" they are not unfamiliar, which makes it difficult to discern truth...



In this way, we would be his inner 'Satan', carrying our own definition of another 'Satan', repetitively abusive exchange between the 'higher' and 'lower' realms of all reality. By another perspective, his mutation would be something similar if not exactly like the rotting of jumping into new bodies/ programs. It's a fictional example, but I think this will be a more clear example of what I'm attempting to describe: Hohenheim of Light, from the FMA series.

I see what you're getting at, but that is to presume God has evil inside Him, in whatever form physical or non, spiritual or non...or all of the above. I would simply say humanity is as a thorn in God's heart. Or better yet, a wound. We tend to nurse a wound back to health, however it can easily be reopened.

Yahweh, like myself, may have been a descending part of another whole. Part of the pre-physical. As
we began growing into weaker and weaker 'god' things, compared too mortals, it was already too late
to warn any others about the invasions and we have had lacking memories of the events. I know it sounds silly, like a joke, or 'stupid'. I'm being honest though, I can still feel my actions from 'above' take a cost
on my body here. I can see them like looking into a new mirror as well. Crystal clear, and painful.

Yahweh is the pre-physical. He is not physical at all, except in the form of Jesus.
We cannot grow weaker into something above us (god things), and this metaphor almost sounds along the lines of reincarnation...and you are not stupid. :)


I felt closer too Him in the womb and further apart as I grew into this world. Although I did not see him as 'God', simply an instructor guiding me down too this physical plane to do what he uniquely issued. I can't recall any phrases, or noticeable features about the encounter but it was like 'talking' with a whole group of competing minds but only one can make action or judgment to provide the complete results. It was
far worse then yelling at some friends from primary school in a mall, while your lungs and neck are dry and having a difficult time just to breath. If it wasn't actually God, it was one of his attempted incarnations doing the best it could to inform my spirit before being conceived physically. I understand why they
cry, both before and after. It has allot more to do with just sustenance of the skin and adapting too
a dangerous environment.

I empathize with your pain, however God's explicit purpose for us is not to slowly fall away from Him. It is to become so close to His own heart that we are enveloped in Him...allowing the ablity to engulf others in that same love. I know intimately my God, our God...and each day passing is an opportunity to know more. Infinitely more...the more you mine God, the deeper the well of understanding, wisdom, and love.



He is capable of being everywhere at once.
Example: Say I placed a part of my spirit into a love letter, and kept it unfounded by a lower species that I have allot of affection for even though they don't know or have never personally met me. A very advanced, tribal, slightly technological, race of sentient hybrids. If I go to make repairs and heal myself, while that letter is never damaged or written onto with lies and manipulated falsely by the species I care so much for, there should be nothing stopping me from attempting to redirect or keep a constant harmony amongst that species without them encountering my 'word', so it could be called if they revered me as a deity.
Good example, in fact that is what God did, however He has not kept it hidden, He has made it a gift of love that we can choose to accept and embrace, or reject and desecrate. It is all about choices.

Though I would do my best to tell them I'm not, they may continue making false idols out of my attempted interactive avatars. I see God/Yahweh going through this sort of upsetting phase throughout the OT allot. So much ignorance would make any half way infinitely living being resort to destructive climate (asking the invaders to assist, thus forming 'peace' outside the physical) and then the lower species may possibly hold me accountable for any thing that wasn't agreed upon (like, blaming God for something he did not truly create). So now I must destroy both the idols, the corrupted sub species, and avoid something like a 'gang war' with the invaders far more superior evil technology and genocidal intentions to exploit all resources from my creative will and expression. I didn't mean a situation like a permanent vacation, or kind of like Zarathustra. More like the Hindu meditation, openness, and flexibility too a different part of the same reality, similar program. Then it's a matter of communication on frequencies or something, between God and Satan, or me and the sub species.

While your hypothesis is eloquent and profound, it is based on what if's. God IS holy and does not deny it. He enforces it, and calls us as his creations to be holy as well. It seems to me that you have studied many beliefs and religions and are trying to find truth by incorporating them all together and find a common ground. If any part of a scientific hypothesis is wrong...the whole thing is as well.



There's a talent, I think God is a shape shifter. This is why 'satan' would be able to go from being an archangel [Lucifer] too a snake, and lastly a dragon [honest manifestation?]. Not really an attribute of evolution within the universe, but it can be done no problem when you have no physical body.

In my opinion God is not a shape shifter...while he could be if he desired. To shape shift is to essentially decieve. God does not decieve, but that is satan's best attribute.



I don't battle them, I want to break an alliance. Like a freelancer or mercenary, I don't like picking one
side 100%. If I can recognize the progress of one over the other, I'll preserve the opposition and eventually bring them together like two pilots in a war that could have easily shot each other down, becoming friends. Without the war, or in your case, the battle. Humans should remain a neutral species faction, we don't need absolutes.

I understand and commend your desire for harmony and peace. I battle them because i have seen/experienced both sides, and choose to be with pure, true love that is Yahweh.



Correct, Now if only I could find others to see what I'm trying to say there would be no argument over this movement or progressive thoughts/feelings.

The best way to do that, is live in such a way that speaks for itself. That will draw others to you with unbiased hearts and minds. Best of luck in your efforts. :)
 
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Being that they are one, i think whichever way you manage to end up at your destination is commendable.

Allot are hardcore about receiving Jesus first though, I don't see the appeal behind it.

fear is debilitating, allowing unwanted ideas/feelings/interruption to cloud judgment and instill confusion. You speak of positive things that are and what once were inside you, those are Godly things....fear and heart hardening things are not.

I don't allow them, rejection is the closest thing to not letting them over whelm my conscious. Even
then, the projection grows far more detailed and worse. Either I see it through too the 'end' of the
entire memory or whatever this thing may be, or I enforce some psychological ignorance as if it's 'fake'.
I can't follow the second, I've attempted several times through meditative practice.

That is to presume God has evil inside Him, in whatever form physical or non, spiritual or non...or all of the above. I would simply say humanity is as a thorn in God's heart. better yet, a wound. We tend to nurse a wound back to health, however it can easily be reopened.

We can either be a disease taking over, or a defending blood cell.

Yahweh is the pre-physical. He is not physical at all, except in the form of Jesus. We cannot grow weaker into something above us (god things), and this metaphor almost sounds along the lines of reincarnation...and you are not stupid.

Humans were part of Yahweh, along with allot of the material universe before it was 'created' through the collision and explosive expansion of an unstable singularity. I meant weaker, in a process of constant descending, not trying to enforce the physical body on it's astral part(s) or something like that. Incarnation, yes, but it's more like moving towards another inevitable end.

Ex
: The 'beginning' of the string is the whole non-physical collective water/ ether, as we move forward other directions are made separating the parts that make up that previous whole (going left and right,
but never lasting as long as the straight line). The original source of the pulsing water (God/ Creator),
had to break the thread between us and him. This would be like throwing fresh living meat to a bunch of untamed evils. Instead of fighting to survive as a whole species, we turn against each other: wars against tribes, wars against holistic belief, wars against non-believers, wars against races, etc. As this pattern grows, we gain more experience but less advancement or at least a slower form of it. The pre-physical
is generally supposed to not have any separation between the mortal races and the immortal protectors/ symbols of things such as love all the way down too the common necessary trickster. Kind of like learning new abilities as you level in a game (in most cases it fits best for 'wizards') , they must remain bound too you, and you too them. We can fight to physically encounter the source of the pulse, or allow a misguide- d, misunderstanding, form of zealous 'good' to over come or fight against the possibilities that were not taught or adapted. We need to make some sort of flagellation, a strong enough impact to keep the pulse going so that it may easily interact with the attacker. Call it a warning shot for the non-believers, this would be our own trumpet sounding him to come back as he promised (or didn't, there is allot we don't know because we haven't the information or it's simply a case of lies). Allow the judgment to be about correcting both sides of any opposition that remains, not about eternal torment or paradise. Otherwise,
it's just another system that needs to be rebooted and started over until the correct amount of constant flogging is made, give or take it may be a mutual pain. Thus, this is why we can relate so much too the creator or original 'cause'/'effect'. I can't agree with the form of Jesus, some thing about it I just have
to keep on saying 'no' too. It may simply be the crucifixion in itself, I can't tolerate injustice against life itself. The word touché was used as a connective or a term of relativity that helped a 'race' of stars interact with organic beings, called Caleban's. I can see that through the adoption of sun worship, we could get a better image of the creator. The story is complex, I haven't read all three books yet, look forward too it though.

I empathize with your pain, however God's explicit purpose for us is not to slowly fall away from Him. It is to become so close to His own heart that we are enveloped in Him. Allowing the ability to engulf others in that same love.

What then, if the simple name given too you is but a message unto others? I was given the 'Gift of God/ the Lord' label. It's all so well choreographed. It could have been a messenger that couldn't understand the command fully, excommunication of some sort constant exile from eternal unity. I've been having
this feeling for so long, it's not 'new' even if the vessel is slightly unique and adaptable too different environments. Like a game of pool, I was sent into the hole until my time is up and I may or may not ascend again.

Good example, in fact that is what God did, however He has not kept it hidden, He has made it a gift of love that we can choose to accept and embrace, or reject and desecrate. It is all about choices.

Sometimes being a machine doesn't sound so bad, could you see one that isn't like 'Neo' or 'Smith'? A program meant to assist The Architect, The Oracle, and The Matrix (not excluding humans) as a whole? this is my goal, in a way, this is my 'choice'. It's will, but it's not freedom. I can act on it because I choose to, not because I'm aware of the results (without some sort of guidance system /Holy Spirit or 'trinity').
I like to remain neutral, that way details on either absolute 'side' can be given. Which has helped in my studies.

It seems to me that you have studied many beliefs and religions and are trying to find truth by incorporating them all together and find a common ground. If any part of a scientific hypothesis is wrong, the whole thing is as well.

Not when the Great Work is practical (above 'right' and 'wrong'), in any case: I would have another revelation perhaps, and this is a grand achievement in the progression of study and belief constantly changing (because a lack of change, is an empowerment of lazy absolutism, this is not my goal).

To shape shift is to essentially deceive. God does not deceive, but that is Satan's best attribute.

It's an ability that has been used in fictional heroes and villains for a long time, it could also be life preserving depending on the conditions and the whole situation. Although Satan is well known for this,
in taking 1-half of something God may be. He was apparently not 'evil' enough to take over the whole
and thus have the throne. This is where Mary, and Jesus come into correct the original negative infection ('sin'). Balance the situation, before letting it continue to play out. With the Holy Ghost remaining, it would be some where between a lacking fathom and a full primitive enlightenment, which happens to be
a 'good' survival trait. There is a really good chance, only 20% of the NT is acceptable by the contents
of it's honesty and not a lack of historical accuracy. I really suggest someone makes or at least attempts starting an evaluation to tell which is figurative and which is literal in the NT. Judaism can do the same for
the OT. Otherwise, the century old debate will be lasting allot longer.

Live in such a way that speaks for itself. That will draw others to you with unbiased hearts and minds.

Thank you :hug:. I do not share the feelings of God or from him that you have, although through reactions
I can tell that He understands my problems equally as well as you, being part of him some how, some way.
 
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So essentially did God create evil? and if Satan knows he's doomed, why doesn't he just give it all up and resign, repenting and come back?
Essentially, evil reproduces, both physically and non-physically. One is the lesser, the necessity while the other is the true adversary or the salty truth.

Could you elaborate, while I agree I want to know what you mean by the salty truth.
Salt is the third element in the trinity of the alchemical substances in the Great work. As mercury is
the water aspect, sulfur is the fiery aspect, so is salt the form aspect (salt is a crystalline form, or crystallized energy). So it is also a name for the 'prima materia', for the stone of the philosophers.
The alchemists say that in its lower aspect salt is 'bitter'. Here salt is a symbol for knowledge and wisdom. Self knowledge is bitter, painful. Sometimes they speak of the bitter 'sea water'. As water
or the sea stands for the soul, it is a reference to the same self-knowledge. Salt is also seen as a symbol for the second phase of the Great Work, albedo, or whiteness, because here light breaks through, and thus also wisdom. Christ is called 'Sal sapientiae', the 'Salt of Wisdom'. In the beginning of the Great Work, the salt is called impure. Here it equals the earth, the body, our every day consciousness or being. The impure salt has to be dissolved ('solutio') into the divine water (quicksilver, or 'prima materia'),
by which it is purified. In albedo salt arises as a pure form and fixated, that is crystallized into a pure salt.
As symbol for wisdom, salt is the breath of the divine energy. This wisdom vivifies the invisible fire that energizes entire Nature. This fire controls life, movement, energy, the heavens, the planets. Paracelsus called this fire 'the light of Nature' a reference to the 'anima mundi', the soul of the world.

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: http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy_5.htm

The vessel is a symbol for the attitude which prevents anything escaping outside; it is a basic attitude
of introversion which, on principle, does not let anything escape into the outside world. The illusion that the whole trouble lies outside oneself has to come to an end and things have to be looked at from within.
That is how we now 'suffocate' the mysterium of the unconscious is, but we suffocate it through this concentrated treatment by which all projection is stopped, intensifying the psychological process. It is also the torture of fire, because when the flow of intensity of the psychological processes becomes concentrated, one is roasted, roasted in what one is. therefore the person in the tomb and the tomb
itself are the same thing, for you roast in what you are yourself and not in anything else; or one could
say that one is cooked in one's own juice, and is therefore the tomb, the container of the tomb, the suffocated one, and the suffocator, the coffin, and the dead god in it. Clay stood for the prima materia. Then put this 'Adam' (original substance; self) together with his wife, the vapor, till the bitter divine
water issues. This means that this Adam, the original thing, is united with its opposite, which seems to
be a vapor like substance, and the two together then give birth to a bitter, watery substance. That is
the motif of the coniuncito, the bringing together of the opposites, and the result is the mystical divine water, the bitter water. Psychologically that would mean: put yourself in an attitude of reflection in
which you ask yourself where your conscious processes come from, link that with the fantasy material;
the vapor which comes up from the unconscious, and that creates a living insight which is bitter.
The insight we obtain by looking at ourselves is generally very bitter, which is why so few people
do it; it is pikros/bitter. It corrodes and is very disagreeable to the illusions of consciousness. That
is why we speak of 'bitter knowledge' and 'bitter realization' and 'bitter truth', for self-knowledge is a bitter experience at the beginning.

Source:
Alchemy, An Introduction to the Symbolism and the Psychology. Marie-Louise von Franz.

I meant to say 'bitter truth', though it came out as 'salty' instead. During the suffocation/ separation process God is like the tomb,
and we are like the one placing the suffocation upon ourselves. The bitter truth here would have to imply another member, an opposite, Satan. There must have been a point to allow my next quoted statement to even hold logically. The alchemist studies were figurative like the bible, but each sought a literal spiritual union with God through there Anima or Animus. God would have to be hermaphrodite-like in 'his' form, to reproduce evil and at the same time separate it, until a purification can be found for this lead opposite. Satan is necessary for God, as a purpose. God is equally necessary, as a mother archetype (Holy Ghost/Sophia/Mary/Rebekah/Eve, etc) to comfort the adversary in her flames instead of eternally tormenting as the conscious would attempt to fathom the seemingly painful experience well defined as Hades/Hell.

Quoted statement(s):

1)
Say he's an extension of God, like Michael, call them fingers if you will. Say this finger reached out too the rest of one hand (several other angel dominated universes or something like organic parts of God), and opposed the other side. Not only must God separate from himself because of Satan's actions, he requires more parts too survive (Holy Ghost and The Son perhaps). Satan can reunite with God (bring intelligence where there is none, self realization, etc). Instead of us humans always influencing opposition against each others cultures and the like, in a very 'satanic' pattern.
2)
It's a matter of communication on frequencies or something,
between God and Satan, or me and the sub species.
3)
I think he repents constantly, but if God is not around,
his repentance goes unheard and must depend on humanity.
4)
God is a symbolic deity.
5)
The pre-physical is generally supposed to not have any separation between the mortal races and
the immortal protectors/symbols of things such as love all the way down too the common necessary trickster. Kind of like learning new abilities as you level in a game (in most cases it fits best for 'wizards'), they must remain bound too you, and you too them.
6)Otherwise, it's just another system that needs to be rebooted and started over until the correct amount of constant flogging is made, give or take it may be a mutual pain. Thus, this is why we can
relate so much too the Creator or original 'cause'/'effect'.

Already, by relativity of the outlined words. We know what I need, it's only become a matter
of 'how', 'why', and the still theorized 'if', 'maybe', and 'could' as well as their opposites.
Hope that answers you're questions :)
~TheDemiprist
 
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yes i agree that we are missing alot, but not becuz we are supposed to. The bible says that God conceals alot from his sheep so that those who want to find the wisdom will seek and find it. :)

It's too bad that everything wasn't carefully and precisely laid out for obvious understanding. There would probably be one giant denomination of Christians, instead of thousands.

Like if you bought some furniture at Ikea. It makes sense that the instruction booklet would contain every step in how to assemble your futon.

What good would the instruction book be if there were hidden steps, hidden meanings and differrent versions that gave instructions in slightly different ways. The sole reason why Ikea does this, is that those who really want to put the futon together will seek and find it, the rest will have to sleep on the floor. :thumbsup:

Just something to think about.
 
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