A Question about the Beginning...

[Sadiegrl]

alot to digest here! Demiprist you entertain my mind...gimme some time to process and weigh things.

~seeker, thats a good analogy The only addition i have is that the Ikea assembler is there as well waiting to instruct upon our asking!

 

[Sadiegrl]

Allot are hardcore about receiving Jesus first though, I don't see the appeal behind it.

Its hard to truly appreciate the Son, when you dont know the Father...but i'll use your string analogy. In the way that it was broken because of our choices to sin and foul Gods holiness, Jesus is in the middle, holding both ends to recreate the solitary string. Therefore, the love for Jesus, is not as simple to accept if you dont know the Fear-of-God and acceptance of his gifts.

I don't allow them, rejection is the closest thing to not letting them over whelm my conscious. Even
then, the projection grows far more detailed and worse. Either I see it through too the 'end' of the
entire memory or whatever this thing may be, or I enforce some psychological ignorance as if it's 'fake'.
I can't follow the second, I've attempted several times through meditative practice.

Well i wouldnt expect you to practice ignorance...psychological or not. You say that after rejection, it progresses into more detail and such. Which is showing the amount of strength you have to reject...we are not able to capture and penetrate our thoughts/memory/projected images in our own strength. It is a great lie that causes many to stumble and endlessly fall. I believe you can relate personally to that.

We can either be a disease taking over, or a defending blood cell.

I like that example. I choose to be a front line warrior of love.

Humans were part of Yahweh, along with allot of the material universe before it was 'created' through the collision and explosive expansion of an unstable singularity. I meant weaker, in a process of constant descending, not trying to enforce the physical body on it's astral part(s) or something like that. Incarnation, yes, but it's more like moving towards another inevitable end.

I would agree only in the relativity to God's mind...or if i could even call it that...he knew we would all be created, every last detail was there from the beginning, but not physical until he spoke it into existance. Which would be pretty explosive in a sense, but in perfect order as is God. The end is inevitable...but its part of a plan.

Ex

: The 'beginning' of the string is the whole non-physical collective water/ ether, as we move forward other directions are made separating the parts that make up that previous whole (going left and right,
but never lasting as long as the straight line). The original source of the pulsing water (God/ Creator),
had to break the thread between us and him. This would be like throwing fresh living meat to a bunch of untamed evils. Instead of fighting to survive as a whole species, we turn against each other: wars against tribes, wars against holistic belief, wars against non-believers, wars against races, etc. As this pattern grows, we gain more experience but less advancement or at least a slower form of it. The pre-physical
is generally supposed to not have any separation between the mortal races and the immortal protectors/ symbols of things such as love all the way down too the common necessary trickster. Kind of like learning new abilities as you level in a game (in most cases it fits best for 'wizards') , they must remain bound too you, and you too them. We can fight to physically encounter the source of the pulse, or allow a misguide- d, misunderstanding, form of zealous 'good' to over come or fight against the possibilities that were not taught or adapted. We need to make some sort of flagellation, a strong enough impact to keep the pulse going so that it may easily interact with the attacker. Call it a warning shot for the non-believers, this would be our own trumpet sounding him to come back as he promised (or didn't, there is allot we don't know because we haven't the information or it's simply a case of lies). Allow the judgment to be about correcting both sides of any opposition that remains, not about eternal torment or paradise.

I understand your example...yet the main problem is that all this is laying in our hands. We as a collective must repair the irrepairable. Which is why the only way those ideas and desires can become effective is in a replacement. A replacement of ourselves and a fresh start. Obviously that isnt possible as a collective or it would've happened by now. These ideas have been around for a while, and only perpetual disaster has occured. Plus how do you decide judgement when truth and justice are unrecognizable...?

Otherwise,
it's just another system that needs to be rebooted and started over until the correct amount of constant flogging is made, give or take it may be a mutual pain. Thus, this is why we can relate so much too the creator or original 'cause'/'effect'. I can't agree with the form of Jesus, some thing about it I just have
to keep on saying 'no' too. It may simply be the crucifixion in itself, I can't tolerate injustice against life itself. The word touché was used as a connective or a term of relativity that helped a 'race' of stars interact with organic beings, called Caleban's. I can see that through the adoption of sun worship, we could get a better image of the creator. The story is complex, I haven't read all three books yet, look forward too it though.

It has constantly been "rebooted" by humanity...and uncannily we've arrived at the same result each time. To do the same things over and over and over again, expecting different results, is by all means insanity. No matter how we ponder different results, they never happen. And if you require a collective to produce the results, what significance does one person have? None, because if you cannot act and live out that way to produce change, it wont happen with a group either.

What then, if the simple name given too you is but a message unto others? I was given the 'Gift of God/ the Lord' label. It's all so well choreographed. It could have been a messenger that couldn't understand the command fully, excommunication of some sort constant exile from eternal unity. I've been having
this feeling for so long, it's not 'new' even if the vessel is slightly unique and adaptable too different environments. Like a game of pool, I was sent into the hole until my time is up and I may or may not ascend again.

Notice it all boils down to being alone....and i might ask if you enjoy that/want change?

Sometimes being a machine doesn't sound so bad, could you see one that isn't like 'Neo' or 'Smith'? A program meant to assist The Architect, The Oracle, and The Matrix (not excluding humans) as a whole? this is my goal, in a way, this is my 'choice'. It's will, but it's not freedom. I can act on it because I choose to, not because I'm aware of the results (without some sort of guidance system /Holy Spirit or 'trinity').
I like to remain neutral, that way details on either absolute 'side' can be given. Which has helped in my studies.

No it doesnt sound bad...i would love to be an angel (programmed for specific results) However we find freedom in true love. Which as we all know, robots do not feel. That differentiates us from all other beings. Even non-believers have an innate desire to be loved, and to give love. Do you enjoy feeling loved? It is not the form of freedom as we perceive it to be...and that is a major factor...perspectives.

Not when the Great Work is practical (above 'right' and 'wrong'), in any case: I would have another revelation perhaps, and this is a grand achievement in the progression of study and belief constantly changing (because a lack of change, is an empowerment of lazy absolutism, this is not my goal).

are you referring to the bible?

It's an ability that has been used in fictional heroes and villains for a long time, it could also be life preserving depending on the conditions and the whole situation. Although Satan is well known for this,
in taking 1-half of something God may be. He was apparently not 'evil' enough to take over the whole and thus have the throne. This is where Mary, and Jesus come into correct the original negative infection ('sin'). Balance the situation, before letting it continue to play out. With the Holy Ghost remaining, it would be some where between a lacking fathom and a full primitive enlightenment, which happens to be a 'good' survival trait.

God IS. He has no need for "survival" as we know it. Mary did no correcting, God was providing a way out for his children. An escape from sin. Mary accepted her role, and now she is worshipped for it...hmm? In that same way we could say the same about Jesus...however He lived a life according to what he preached, he did not sin, and he unconditionally loved everyone.

There is a really good chance, only 20% of the NT is acceptable by the contents
of it's honesty and not a lack of historical accuracy. I really suggest someone makes or at least attempts starting an evaluation to tell which is figurative and which is literal in the NT. Judaism can do the same for
the OT. Otherwise, the century old debate will be lasting allot longer.

I am not as educated in this area as simonline...who seems to have disappeard lol. I'll ask him back.

thank you . I do not share the feelings of God or from him that you have, although through reactions
I can tell that He understands my problems equally as well as you, being part of him some how, some way.

Thats the joy of being His child. Believers or not, we are.

 

[TheD]

In the way that it was broken because of our choices to sin and foul Gods holiness, Jesus is in the middle, holding both ends to recreate the solitary string.

Well, within my analogy representation not even the middle placement is left out in the future collective. His sacrifice, and complete change as The Messiah of the changed testaments from God also makes it a very imbalanced situation. I do not mind his sacrifice for our sins, but we have experienced more evil from after his death instead of cleansing, repairing, or any other species helping techniques. We have some teachings from his mortal existence, and an odd case of opposition with John's Revelation. Although it brings the dead back, and everything. I mean, being Christian was not a genetic creation. It made the
way for a definite 'new world', but hardly anything I think God would allow or do personally. It's all too human, in my opinion. When it comes to animal sacrifice or even cannibalism, it becomes a case of faction or denomination, which is primarily a sort of separation. It's not quiet a thing of solitude, it does depend on the lower essences (life) and environments that have effected them throughout recorded history.

the love for Jesus, is not as simple to accept if you don't know the Fear-of-God and acceptance
of his gifts.

I know an immaterial being better than I can attempt to show fear of God. I can call out a lost human spirit still near the Earth, but I can't fathom God or any of his theological representations (The Son, Holy Ghost). I should probably explain myself when I say that I want to be a better Christian: I would like to have His gifts. Loving Jesus is a confusing thing for me, I don't know how or why it's being done.

I believe you can relate personally to that.

Easily, yes.

I choose to be a front line warrior of love.

As do I, but there are those others that will attempt to destroy my position, and my self.

The end is inevitable but its part of a plan.

I can't accept that, I know there's a much darker 'plan' then that of what's being taught.
It's not paranoia exactly, but it's the last bit of extra sensory I have.

how do you decide judgment when truth and justice are unrecognizable?

That's just it, you don't judge any longer. You can either correct the lower forms, or destroy them. Which I guess is kind of the whole exciting differentiation between Hell and Heaven. Jesus said he's the truth,
I question will this 'truth' defend humanity and all other species on Earth or destroy them, or allow a foreign threat to destroy us. Something like that, it's nagging the back of my mind. Justice should be charitable, and not the chain reactions of destruction/revenge.

If you require a collective to produce the results, what significance does one person have? None, because if you cannot act and live out that way to produce change, it wont happen with a group either.

Not necessarily 'none'. Depending on how advanced the collective is, the existence, thoughts, feelings, and body will all be saved into something like a computer file. As long as it is inherited, or preserved, or hidden, something like that. All it takes is a group discovery to find the certain energy of that one and bring it back. Then it becomes an 'eternal', a spirit that remains bound to hold the founding group and all their attachments together. A wavelength that won't destroy anything, but will be able to 'create' or make a short cut too it's own collective paradise. Server of customized peace if you wish to call it that. Like anything else, there are several factors against it still. We can never absolutely escape evil, if we
can identify one over the other though: we may be able to assist them both in the discovery or encounter with what God actually is. The significance varies, like a mutation. It can either make or break us, since humans aren't entirely capable it would be a sympathetic attempt to redeem ourselves without an actual connection with the creator. Allot of things are involved in this action, is all I'm saying. We can't just lump two categories together and say that's the only thing the store has to offer, when clearly there is a broad amount of things to exploit, consume, and destroy (or have a careful production, accurate observation, and creative expression).

Notice it all boils down to being alone and i might ask if you enjoy that/want change?

Never did enjoy the loneliness. I never wanted the material, find little enjoyment with it. The change in comparison to my former bodies disgusts me, I'm too weak and mortal. A giant predator could attack this universe, and it would all end. No God, nothing. He's not as fast paced or strong willed as the bible plot has adopted. It's like being inside a mirror room, each mirror is more painful then the last if we break them. For every attempted wholeness, all it takes is one imperfection to annihilate it all. I think I was it, or a
part of it. Say God made himself a fetus, by his own 'creation' claim he has inevitably led himself too an abortion from the mother. Not only does he feel pain, but he feels death inside for trying to reach out too us. How does one react too something like that, a book of lies and now it's practically a destructive 'justice'? I think he's depressed, or close enough too it.

However we find freedom in true love. Which as we all know, robots do not feel.

As long as it can be created or programmed to define 'love', it will understand it's objective and succeed because the task isn't harmful. A robot can feel emotions, I refuse too think otherwise. If you make enough sensory parts, and flexible attempt of self-perception. We don't have any other technologies
too work with, so of course the results are going to say: 'robots do not feel'. If we had a strong enough interaction with other realm traveling species, the ability to make the robot clearly show affection wouldn't be a problem.

Do you enjoy feeling loved?

I enjoy the thought of feeling loved, I'm still questioning my relationship with someone.

are you referring to the bible?

No. My goal could be considerably relative too whatever was expected out of some biblical characters.

He has no need for "survival" as we know it.

That's why he accepted crucifixion, instead of explaining himself in what short time he had to give an accurate account to the apostles. He made survival, I think he 'needs' it. Including if he's going to keep
on trying to be human.

Mary accepted her role, and now she is worshiped for it.

I don't worship Mary.

He lived a life according to what he preached, he did not sin, and he unconditionally loved everyone.

'love':
1)A man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matt 10.35,36
Family must hate each other, to love Jesus?

2)The children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Matt 10.21
Jesus promotes death of parents?

3)Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. Luke 16.9
Friends with the unrighteous to receive a comforting habitat?

4)Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves; and would
not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. Mark 11.15,16
Temple Tantrum 101: don't make the Christ angry.

5)My testimony is not valid. John 5:31
Invalid teachings? Whose is valid?

6)You do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
That is why the world hates you. John 15:19
The world hates me, where does it say the place He will send me?

7)Those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither,
and slay them before me. Luke 19:27
Kill for Jesus, as opposed to though shalt not kill? not sure what to do.

8)You have no idea where I come from. John 8:14
Correct! I present possibilities.

9)If I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. Luke 11:20
How does this kingdom come upon me? Jesus can say if! is there a reason I can't?

10)That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. Luke 12:47
Jesus loves slavery?

11)Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.-Matthew 11:20
Is denouncing a form of love?

12)Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.-Matthew 5:17
You got me here, which Law?

Finally, Does a book have unconditional love? I see nothing wrong with conditional affection. I think
he was more passionate when people got to touch his wounds, after paying for our 'sins'. I see a whole different acceptable Jesus then.

That's the joy of being His child.

I feel like a blind child.
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Note to Mods: My questions are not supposed to offend or be seen as prejudice.
I seek answers, I shall receive them.

 

[Sadiegrl]

My heart goes out to you. The reason you are having a hard time understanding Jesus/or accepting him is because you do not know/experienced true love through God. And that is not something permanent for you, like your own analogy earlier, you may or may not get out of the pool ball cup(lol i dont know what its called) but you can if you choose to get out. Its not as complicated as we make it.


First...the most important thing here to me is that when you read the bible...it cannot be read/used out of context. Otherwise its meaning is distorted and fouled. And i dont know what bible you are reading, because thats not what it says...

In Matthew 10, Jesus is pretty much giving his good bye speech and giving his disciples their charges to carry on. I see it as the Master entrusting his job as a shephard to his sheep on to me. (it also helps when you read a version that is understandable)
your referances :
1 and 2, are from the same chapter:
Matt 10:21-23
"When people realize it is the living God you are presenting and not some idol that makes them feel good, they are going to turn on you, even people in your own family. There is a great irony here: proclaiming so much love, experiencing so much hate! But don't quit. Don't cave in. It is all well worth it in the end. It is not success you are after in such times but survival. Be survivors! Before you've run out of options, the Son of Man will have arrived.
vs. 32-37

32-33"Stand up for me against world opinion and I'll stand up for you before my Father in heaven. If you turn tail and run, do you think I'll cover for you? 34-37"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.

~We have to apply basic grammar laws, context of the passage. It will be easier to understand when its read as each book at a time, or even each chapter at a time (it can take a while to read a whole book )

3~ Luke 16 is a story about a crooked manager of his masters money. He got fired for it and had no where to go, so he thought of a plan to save himself...
Luke16:5-9
"5"Then he went at it. One after another, he called in the people who were in debt to his master. He said to the first, 'How much do you owe my master?'

6"He replied, 'A hundred jugs of olive oil.'
"The manager said, 'Here, take your bill, sit down here—quick now— write fifty.'
7"To the next he said, 'And you, what do you owe?'
"He answered, 'A hundred sacks of wheat.'
"He said, 'Take your bill, write in eighty.' 8-9"Now here's a surprise: The master praised the crooked manager! And why? Because he knew how to look after himself. Streetwise people are smarter in this regard than law-abiding citizens. They are on constant alert, looking for angles, surviving by their wits. I want you to be smart in the same way—but for what is right—using every adversity to stimulate you to creative survival, to concentrate your attention on the bare essentials, so you'll live, really live, and not complacently just get by on good behavior."

~Which is so true...i've been that street person before and its a whole different way of thinking. Thankfully through God i am able to channel the energy so to speak, for Him.

So i'm not going to do it for every single one lol...but maybe you should re-read the whole passage/chapter. Christ talked in parables alot, but it helped for people to relate to. Also think of the historical time period this was in. All Jesus did was preach love to the people. And how to accept love and then embrace God. Which in turn makes it so much easier to abide by his laws, and from there please to Him.

Its a wonderful cycle, and theres so much more to it. And you're right about there being a dark plan...but that is not Gods plan, it is the devil's...which he already knows is going to fail. But i do believe that it is important to know the reality of the darker plan so that we can be even better at fighting it/choosing not to follow it. As simple as it is...the option of choosing good and evil...decisions are certainly not always easy. I find i can be pretty indecisive sometimes.

I invite you to my bible study if you want. Its this sunday at 8pm PDT. I dont know how much of a time difference there is between us...? But i'd love to have you there. More info go to my social group from my profile.

 

[TheD]

First, the most important thing here to me is that when you read the bible. it cannot be read/used out of context. Otherwise its meaning is distorted and fouled.

It's been altered so much, I'm not sure how to react here. Although I agree, the original meaning shouldn't be distorted or fouled in any way.

Thankfully through God i am able to channel the energy so to speak, for Him.

I'd like to channel energy, or at least train myself to use such a technique, with some help.

Christ talked in parables a lot, but it helped for people to relate to.

Wouldn't be easier if he just said what he meant? The only reasoning I see for him to make such parables is if something life-threatening is trying to identify him or something. Which is the scapegoating of roman military.

Also think of the historical time period this was in.

I am, and all four gospels are incompatible with it, not sure what to think.

You're right about there being a dark plan, but that is not Gods plan, it is the devil's. which he already knows is going to fail.

We have discussed Satan/The Devil so well in our conversation it's become slightly better for me to identify the differences between him and Yahweh. I still find it apparent that there are allot of other evil oppositions against God and us.

I invite you to my bible study if you want. Its this Sunday at 8pm PDT. I don't know how much of a time difference there is between us? I'd love to have you there.

I'll try and make it.

 

[Sadiegrl]

I do not mind his sacrifice for our sins, but we have experienced more evil from after his death instead of cleansing, repairing, or any other species helping techniques.

I dont know if you've really read much about the people during the time of Moses. They already did everything evil and vile back then, and thats why God had them destroyed by his people the Israelites. But they needed strict rules that would keep them holy...ie the ten commandments. Jesus came much later and preached the same thing, but leaving out 2. We dont need to make animal/monetary sacrifices anymore and the Sabbath isnt required.

We have some teachings from his mortal existence, and an odd case of opposition with John's Revelation. Although it brings the dead back, and everything. I mean, being Christian was not a genetic creation. It made the way for a definite 'new world', but hardly anything I think God would allow or do personally. It's all too human, in my opinion. When it comes to animal sacrifice or even cannibalism, it becomes a case of faction or denomination, which is primarily a sort of separation. It's not quiet a thing of solitude, it does depend on the lower essences (life) and environments that have effected them throughout recorded history.

Humans were created in the likeness of God. Genesis talks intimately of Yahweh's relationships to his creations. The feelings humans have are merely reflections of those that are in God. We are only a likeness, yet there is so much knowledge and insight into the world we live in...just much of it is aimless.

That's just it, you don't judge any longer. You can either correct the lower forms, or destroy them. Which I guess is kind of the whole exciting differentiation between Hell and Heaven. Jesus said he's the truth, I question will this 'truth' defend humanity and all other species on Earth or destroy them, or allow a foreign threat to destroy us. Something like that, it's nagging the back of my mind. Justice should be charitable, and not the chain reactions of destruction/revenge.

Without really knowing any person, should we make a biased decision on them. Many people adamently reject that, yet are so quick to do that to Jesus. Do they know him? Probably not, they "know" some experience of others, but not actually him. So its a little ironic the respect people command but refuse to give or be charitable.

Not necessarily 'none'. Depending on how advanced the collective is, the existence, thoughts, feelings, and body will all be saved into something like a computer file.

who knows how long that may be...

As long as it is inherited, or preserved, or hidden, something like that. All it takes is a group discovery to find the certain energy of that one and bring it back. Then it becomes an 'eternal', a spirit that remains bound to hold the founding group and all their attachments together.

Well everyone already has something eternal, a soul. No one else had to discover it....and if they did, how long ago was that? And if it was long ago then how advanced was that culture? More so then now?

The significance varies, like a mutation. It can either make or break us, since humans aren't entirely capable it would be a sympathetic attempt to redeem ourselves without an actual connection with the creator.

says who? Certainly not God...that the opposite of what is said in his Word. But you're certainly right...the complete transformation is gradual and complex. How else could something as complex as a human be changed to something holy? But God does it intentionally slow so that each part is felt and understood...so that we can teach to other humans...as Jesus did. And it all comes down to one question? ...Why? And the answer is always love. But love of God...the Supreme Being.

Never did enjoy the loneliness. I never wanted the material, find little enjoyment with it. The change in comparison to my former bodies disgusts me, I'm too weak and mortal. A giant predator could attack this universe, and it would all end.

Could...but hasnt yet. And how old do scientists believe the world is?

It's like being inside a mirror room, each mirror is more painful then the last if we break them. For every attempted wholeness, all it takes is one imperfection to annihilate it all. I think I was it, or a part of it.

Each person is responsible for their own actions yes. Our actions can separate us from God. And as painful as reopening a wound over and over again, so it would be for God for us to keep sinning. But we can only compare God's emotions to our own...we dont really understand.

As long as it can be created or programmed to define 'love', it will understand it's objective and succeed because the task isn't harmful. A robot can feel emotions, I refuse too think otherwise. If you make enough sensory parts, and flexible attempt of self-perception. We don't have any other technologies too work with, so of course the results are going to say: 'robots do not feel'. If we had a strong enough interaction with other realm traveling species, the ability to make the robot clearly show affection wouldn't be a problem.

Well i challenge someone to do something then. There are many genious people studying amazing things...but to what avail. So the rest of humanity can perish under its own filth? Nothing is really better...but there are more ideas than ever now.

No. My goal could be considerably relative too whatever was expected out of some biblical characters.

Yes but thats hardly relative. The things done by the prophets and such were profound yes, but there was also a relationship high above any others. Which is why they stood out and they were heard as well as refuted.

That's why he accepted crucifixion, instead of explaining himself in what short time he had to give an accurate account to the apostles. He made survival, I think he 'needs' it. Including if he's going to keep
on trying to be human.

He accepted crucifixion because he knew the plan. He was God, but in human form. Jesus had limitations being human, but still was connected from the inside and knew how to speak and love God. Which is essentially what he taught.

Finally

, Does a book have unconditional love? I see nothing wrong with conditional affection. I think he was more passionate when people got to touch his wounds, after paying for our 'sins'. I see a whole different acceptable Jesus then.

And that all comes down to doubt/understanding. Being that God is alive as he shows in his relationships with his followers, so is his Word. It has survived through the centuries, after much misinterpretation, translations, and criticism. Yet still manages to be so powerful and personal. It is the words that God has to say to us. Those that are lost have a harder time hearing Him.

I feel like a blind child.

Luke 15:4-7
4-7"Suppose one of you had a hundred sheep and lost one. Wouldn't you leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness and go after the lost one until you found it? When found, you can be sure you would put it across your shoulders, rejoicing, and when you got home call in your friends and neighbors, saying, 'Celebrate with me! I've found my lost sheep!' Count on it—there's more joy in heaven over one sinner's rescued life than over ninety-nine good people in no need of rescue.

~More like a lost sheep

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[TheD]

I don't know if you've really read much about the people during the time of Moses. They already did everything evil and vile back then, and that's why God had them destroyed by his people the Israelite s. But they needed strict rules that would keep them holy. i.e the ten commandments. Jesus came much later and preached the same thing, but leaving out 2. We don't need to make animal/monetary sacrifices anymore and the Sabbath isn't required.

It was a complex and gradual problem, it needs a complex and gradual solution.
With Jesus involved, it makes either testament even more difficult to understand.
Could you define 'holy'?
I hardly see any pure nature in humanity and very few religions are exceptions too that.
Moses was the representation of enforced laws, that's not very friendly or helpful.
I can't agree with it, the slightest mistake I make will lead to my own death by clergy or other such judgment that isn't literally coming from God.
God isn't there, just a bunch of apes torturing each other.
Why did Moses fail to mention the two left out? too busy slaughtering the other primitive tribes to
make room for Judah/Israel via Solomon and David? once religion discovers or makes war, it becomes
a dangerous thing to attempt coexisting with.

Genesis talks intimately of Yahweh's relationships to his creations.

Obviously, that intimate relationship didn't last.

who knows how long that may be.

Humans are near extinct, maybe in another organic body that would be different.

Well everyone already has something eternal, a soul. No one else had to discover it and if they
did, how long ago was that? if it was long ago then how advanced was that culture? More so then now?

Probably when sun worship originated.
Nothing is 'advanced' now, it's all still wasteful and slow.
It was a cult, only become a culture when it mixed into Egypt and became a form of tradition.
Later embraced by Christianity in the forming of Jesus' RSI.
Which was either taken as they expanded into Europe, or 'borrowed' in the most cruel manner
they could think of throughout several centuries. I'd say the native 'Americans' were more
advanced until the bible-police came to take over the 'savage' lands.

God does it intentionally slow so that each part is felt and understood. so that we can teach to other humans, as Jesus did.

Could we try one of the apostles as an example please? Jesus leaves an uncomfortable feeling in my gut.
If I was anything close too God's ability to interact with humans, my works would be fast, thought out, and helpful both physically and mentally for the human race. There is no necessity in slowing down some thing, that just makes dying a whole lot easier to ignore instead of improving ourselves from stopping that inefficient genetic cost for some 'sin' all because of one tree being planted by God/Yahweh.

how old do scientists believe the world is?

Scientists don't work out of belief. It's certainly not 6,000 years old.
The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because nature doesn't agree with the outside threat.
So, it will either force itself in or wait patiently. Being an evil force, I don't think it minds either way.

we can only compare God's emotions to our own, we don't really understand.

A reflection isn't so bad, a being who claims to have created you is another matter.
Whose to say God even has emotions anyways? He obviously has no problem using his certain people to destroy the rest of their own species. Judaism set the laws, and Christianity fluctuated them for their own use. It's been going on for the longest time and it's still in America until it's a church driven government.

Well I challenge someone to do something then. There are many genius people studying amazing things but to what avail. So the rest of humanity can perish under its own filth? Nothing is really better
but there are more ideas than ever now.

There is filth in every corner of culture, either you don't follow the whole thing (this would be considered terrorism;Anti-Americanism;Criminal threat, etc) or you do and allow the whole thing to go suicidal along with it's few connections of trade. You're challenge hasn't gone unheard, but no one will agree too it (given the tools and support I would have no problem). Grade school teachers would simply laugh or reject. It would have to be a case of 'conversion' if mentioned too a college professor. No one will do anything beyond that point, they're too concerned about the existence or non-existence of God.
The whole system is a mess.

Jesus had limitations being human, but still was connected from the inside and knew how to speak and love God.

So, he couldn't be conceptualized in another form? being human HAS TO be the only way?
If I advised God to manifest himself, he would probably help me encounter someone of the
opposite gender. That's fine. However, when it comes to sacrificing yourself for a bunch of
over populating apes. The last thing you would do is allow crucifixion, purposefully limit your
own higher abilities, and never come back after setting the poorly taught 'love' too your followers/witnesses. How many lives did it take Yahweh to kill (OT) just so Jesus (NT) can make
a few temporary miracles before returning too Himself/The Father? that plan is so sadly manifested.
If that's really the best God can do with some offspring, I'm really sad.
He said 'love this, because I tell you too', this leaves us without:
1)how do we? 2)why won't it come too us directly? 3)what is it?
and the usual ever well known defiance of saying 4)'we cant'.

It has survived through the centuries, after much misinterpretation, translations, and criticism.
Yet still manages to be so powerful and personal. It is the words that God has to say to us. Those that
are lost have a harder time hearing Him.

A simple survival, when the followers destroy the competition or offer conversion instead of death.
I don't think God has said anything, he wouldn't allow such if he was capable of coming forth himself
and shaking down his own wrath of disappointment upon so many misguided followers.
No one makes miracles like Jesus, no one keeps each other alive, no one stops diseases fully, none of this has been successful. It's become a crime to be helpful, yet it's OK if we manipulate the bible as a form of 'justice' when all it's brought is injustice against life.
How can one be sure that's really Him speaking? it could simply be a few generations back calling at you
to take another direction. With so many distractions and responsibilities it would be really easy to assume these entities are 'God'. No one here ever questions the cost, as if killing paganism was/is alright.

More like a lost sheep.

That makes me feel a whole lot better.

 

[Sadiegrl]

It was a complex and gradual problem, it needs a complex and gradual solution. With Jesus involved, it makes either testament even more difficult to understand. Could you define 'holy'? I hardly see any pure nature in humanity and very few religions are exceptions too that.

I just finished studying this in Leviticus and Numbers. The things the Israelites were to do, to stay clean. "cleanliness is close to Godliness (holy)" just a saying, but its true, God expected his people to be clean when he was literally living amoung them in the desert. He occupied a tent...well tabernacle, and the only people that were allowed to be inside it were those that were holy. It was a ritual process of sacrifices and other things, to cleanse their sins, and that of their people to be able to stand before God. Now with Jesus, we can boldly come before him, in love as his child. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice that supersceded all others.....just because we are called to be holy, because he is holy...doesnt automatically make us that, which is why there isnt any pure nature. We have to daily choose to be, by what we do, and how we think and how we interact with others.

Moses was the representation of enforced laws, that's not very friendly or helpful.[/qutoe]
Moses was the man that lead the Israelites out of Egypt at Gods instruction. These people were now able to live their own way without being slaves, they needed law and order to prevent them from spoiling themselves with their own sinful desires.

I can't agree with it, the slightest mistake I make will lead to my own death by clergy or other such judgment that isn't literally coming from God. God isn't there, just a bunch of apes torturing each other.

I sure am thankful to live in the second covenant with God. We no longer are bound by those strict rules. Plus we arent Jews. (well i dont know about you, but i'm not) we are what is considered the forgeiners. So God was making himself available to all through example. If you study the beginning books you will see that we wouldnt learn any other way...

Why did Moses fail to mention the two left out? too busy slaughtering the other primitive tribes to make room for Judah/Israel via Solomon and David? once religion discovers or makes war, it becomes
a dangerous thing to attempt coexisting with.

Moses was not alive during the time of Jesus. Well we already dangerously coexist with worse. And i must ask if you believe in capital punishment. That is taking a life in the name of justice. I sure do believe that if some freak kidnapped and raped my daughter and then killed her (which happens to much to our children) then you can bet that i will want him on that death lineup. It is Gods judgement on others, it was never Moses' nor the peoples. Those other nations were not primitive...they were extremely corrupt...burning their children at sex idols in the streets while doing every possible sexual thing one can imagine...and worse. So it was God's decision to judge his people. Just like he will when Jesus comes back a second time.

Obviously, that intimate relationship didn't last.

I'm not sure how it is obvious...i guess its just a matter of opinion. Its beyond obvious to me, i live it out everyday.

Humans are near extinct, maybe in another organic body that would be different.

Nephilim

Could we try one of the apostles as an example please? Jesus leaves an uncomfortable feeling in my gut. If I was anything close too God's ability to interact with humans, my works would be fast, thought out, and helpful both physically and mentally for the human race. There is no necessity in slowing down some thing, that just makes dying a whole lot easier to ignore instead of improving ourselves from stopping that inefficient genetic cost for some 'sin' all because of one tree being planted by God/Yahweh.

I cannot speak about an apostle in comparisson to Jesus. They all followed him...and lived accordingly. Preaching the same message everywhere....i'm sure theres alot more to Gods plan that what simply meets the eye/understanding.

Scientists don't work out of belief. It's certainly not 6,000 years old. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because nature doesn't agree with the outside threat. So, it will either force itself in or wait patiently. Being an evil force, I don't think it minds either way.

I keep being reminded about our study...

There is filth in every corner of culture, either you don't follow the whole thing (this would be considered terrorism;Anti-Americanism;Criminal threat, etc) or you do and allow the whole thing to go suicidal along with it's few connections of trade. You're challenge hasn't gone unheard, but no one will agree too it (given the tools and support I would have no problem). Grade school teachers would simply laugh or reject. It would have to be a case of 'conversion' if mentioned too a college professor. No one will do anything beyond that point, they're too concerned about the existence or non-existence of God. The whole system is a mess.

...and who will fix the mess? With that bleak outlook, why bother with hope? That sounds very similar to a message of doubt that is spread around by evil forces and such.

So, he couldn't be conceptualized in another form? being human HAS TO be the only way? If I advised God to manifest himself, he would probably help me encounter someone of the opposite gender. That's fine. However, when it comes to sacrificing yourself for a bunch of over populating apes. The last thing you would do is allow crucifixion, purposefully limit your own higher abilities, and never come back after setting the poorly taught 'love' too your followers/witnesses. How many lives did it take Yahweh to kill (OT) just so Jesus (NT) can make a few temporary miracles before returning too Himself/The Father? that plan is so sadly manifested.

I know that the only thing i can relate to is a human. That has been through my experiences and feelings. So Jesus was able to do that for everyone. Of course it wasnt God's only way of manifesting himself. There are not "cant's" with God. But it certainly was the most impacting. Why we're all still talking about it til this very day. The love was poorly taught, it was poorly received by others. But we all still have an opportunity. And there are still those dedicated to spreading it.

If that's really the best God can do with some offspring, I'm really sad.
He said 'love this, because I tell you too', this leaves us without:
1)how do we? 2)why won't it come too us directly? 3)what is it?
and the usual ever well known defiance of saying 4)'we cant'.

It wasnt just because i tell you to...it was here, let me show you how. And Jesus did that exactly. There are many people that dont understand, and that is what should be making us sad, they dont know the right way, and have refused it once show, because of still...not understanding.

A simple survival, when the followers destroy the competition or offer conversion instead of death. I don't think God has said anything, he wouldn't allow such if he was capable of coming forth himself
and shaking down his own wrath of disappointment upon so many misguided followers. No one makes miracles like Jesus, no one keeps each other alive, no one stops diseases fully, none of this has been successful. It's become a crime to be helpful, yet it's OK if we manipulate the bible as a form of 'justice' when all it's brought is injustice against life. How can one be sure that's really Him speaking? it could simply be a few generations back calling at you to take another direction. With so many distractions and responsibilities it would be really easy to assume these entities are 'God'. No one here ever questions the cost, as if killing paganism was/is alright.

hopefully you will want to continue our studies, and then you will be able to recognize him. Plus most of your questions are answered in the Bible, and it will be a fun discovery to realize them for yourself.

That makes me feel a whole lot better.

dont worry you will soon.

 

[TheD]

God expected his people to be clean when he was literally living among them in the desert.

Couldn't have kept them clean anyways?
If the perfection was maintained he wouldn't have to have expectations.
Desert deity note: Don't make YAHWEH angry.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice that superseded all others.

The sacrifice couldn't have been 'begotten' sooner?

there isn't any pure nature.

I'm compelled to disagree.

We have to daily choose to be, by what we do, and how we think and how we interact with others.

If I didn't make daily choices, the results would still be the same in our interactions.
In the same way a dog doesn't 'talk' daily, but continues it's living routine as a tamed predator.

These people were now able to live their own way without being slaves, they needed
law and order to prevent them from spoiling themselves with their own sinful desires.

Just because they were exiles does not mean they were actually enslaved.
Judaism was a nurtured expansion, not an abused race of God's chosen.
Spoiling in itself is a 'sin', not ALL the desires.

Plus we aren't Jews. (well i don't know about you, but I'm not) we are what is considered the foreigners.

If I have Jewish ancestors, I'd be impressed.

If you study the beginning books you will see that we wouldn't learn any other way.

If we were a different species, we wouldn't need the 'learning' experience.

Moses was not alive during the time of Jesus.

Jesus could be 'in the beginning' but no where else? that's odd.

i must ask if you believe in capital punishment.

No I don't 'believe in' capital punishment.

That is taking a life in the name of justice.

'justice' = revenge.
I'm not encouraged to follow THAT 'justice'.

I sure do believe that if some freak kidnapped and raped my daughter and then killed her (which happens to much to our children) then you can bet that i will want him on that death lineup.

Doesn't solve anything, just further increases the chain reactions of evil. It's like dropping someone else in a large blender, feeling pleased for their death but with the slightest unconscious change (strong wind, perhaps) you happen to fall in and die with them. Maybe they successfully reproduced and trained their children before committing the crime, and their son or daughter brought the same sort of 'justice' upon you later on with some extra painful accessories (reversed bear trap, hand cuffs, etc). These kinds of things are already planned ahead, has very little to do with Satan or God being involved either. I don't believe in revenge, because I don't want it brought upon me, even though I realize it's inevitable.

Those other nations were not primitive...they were extremely corrupt...burning their children at sex idols in the streets while doing every possible sexual thing one can imagine...and worse.

So burning some researchers and pagans is okay to justify the acts of non-relative evils elsewhere beforehand? I don't agree with the burning and idol worshiping. Not ALL forms of sexual expression are
life threatening. Fear kills quicker then a simple torture of refusing to nurture the hostage/victim of the situation. Corruption is all over humanity, scapegoating doesn't prevent or refine the 'problem' or it's source.

Nephilim

Not what I meant, but alright.

I cannot speak about an apostle in comparison to Jesus.

None compare to Jesus, got it.
I'll find a way to get used too this then.

I'm sure there's allot more to Gods plan that what simply meets the eye/understanding.

I just hope God isn't too late.

I keep being reminded about our study.

It was wonderful, I'll admit.
You're an amazing host/teacher.

who will fix the mess? With that bleak outlook, why bother with hope? That sounds very similar to a message of doubt that is spread around by evil forces and such.

You're suggesting I'm evil? God will fix the mess, I'd like too say.
It's not so much of a doubt, as it is a disappointing reflection on the culture.

I know that the only thing i can relate to is a human.

I can relate too an animal no problem, the more you know of something the relativity between two different species has it's own sort of affection. I'm not jumping to a conclusive demand or agreement with bestiality or anything like that.

There are not "cant's" with God.

I don't think I said this.
Just because I fail to feel Him in my being/wholeness doesn't mean I'm saying He can't do anything.

it was here, let me show you how.

Past tense, brings upon me heart ache.

they don't know the right way, and have refused it once show, because of still...not understanding.

No alternative compares, does not make ALL the rest 'wrong'. I'm doing the best
I can do understand, and I believe you're giving me the best effort as being with Him.
I realize this, does it still make me further away or developing closeness too my goal?

hopefully you will want to continue our studies, and then you will be able to recognize him. Plus most of your questions are answered in the Bible, and it will be a fun discovery to realize them for yourself.

I intend to continue the studies, yes.

I found myself entangled in an even greater web of mysteries.-Raziel, Legacy of Kain Defiance.

 

[Sadiegrl]

Couldn't have kept them clean anyways?

If the perfection was maintained he wouldn't have to have expectations.
Desert deity note: Don't make YAHWEH angry.

Thats a good side note...but being that we have free will, its up to us to follow God. Back then, things were much more strict, which is why Jesus came to fulfill the laws...i'm glad to be living in this day...God does not change, but he will impart new covenants with us, because it is not him failing, it is us. Essentially he's making it "easier" to come to him. How considerate.

The sacrifice couldn't have been 'begotten' sooner?

Yes, it could've and it could've been later too. I dont question his timing, it eventually all gets revealed to me and that understanding is unexplainable.

I'm compelled to disagree.

If you're going to quote me, please use my entire sentence And your welcome to disagree...aside from God's pure nature, what example do you have?

If I didn't make daily choices, the results would still be the same in our interactions.

In the same way a dog doesn't 'talk' daily, but continues it's living routine as a tamed predator.

a dog isnt capable of talking, so even if it chose to it would have no such luck. I must completely disagree...every thought is essentially a choice...the choice to entertain that whatever it is...the choice to speak or not...results are only produced by our actions.

Just because they were exiles does not mean they were actually enslaved.

Judaism was a nurtured expansion, not an abused race of God's chosen.
Spoiling in itself is a 'sin', not ALL the desires.

They were enslaved into Egypt, and they were not exactly exiled....they were rescued by God's own personal hand. We need law and order, are you promoting anarchy? Just curious...because i havent seen that from you, and without law and order, that is where we are left. To prevent the ruining of ourselves at our own hands.

If I have Jewish ancestors, I'd be impressed.

I'd be honored.

If we were a different species, we wouldn't need the '

learning' experience.

Well being that we're not, thats none of our concern.

Jesus could be 'in the beginning' but no where else? that's odd.

No...he is God...but he came down as Christ as the "animal sacrifice" for all of us. Its a difficult concept to wrap our minds around, God not being 3 separate parts, still being one and the same, but in different forms, The Father, Jesus, Holy spirit...they are still triune and therefore one. Complicated, but very interesting to research about

'

justice' = revenge.
I'm not encouraged to follow THAT 'justice'.



Doesn't solve anything, just further increases the chain reactions of evil. It's like dropping someone else in a large blender, feeling pleased for their death but with the slightest unconscious change (strong wind, perhaps) you happen to fall in and die with them. Maybe they successfully reproduced and trained their children before committing the crime, and their son or daughter brought the same sort of 'justice' upon you later on with some extra painful accessories (reversed bear trap, hand cuffs, etc). These kinds of things are already planned ahead, has very little to do with Satan or God being involved either. I don't believe in revenge, because I don't want it brought upon me, even though I realize it's inevitable.

We shall study God's definition of justice as well. It should help clear things up.

None compare to Jesus, got it.

I'll find a way to get used too this then.

Thats a good start we will study about Paul, hes got a great story, and much wisdom and knowledge to share.

I just hope God isn't too late.

Something you will come to know...God's timing is impecable

It was wonderful, I'll admit.

You're an amazing host/teacher.

Its not me teaching, so i'll go with host. Thank you though.

You're suggesting I'm evil? God will fix the mess, I'd like too say.

It's not so much of a doubt, as it is a disappointing reflection on the culture.

Hahah, i never said such thing. And yes God will fix the mess. And we will probably always be disappointed by humanity. Better to put your trust and expectations in God.

I can relate too an animal no problem, the more you know of something the relativity between two different species has it's own sort of affection. I'm not jumping to a conclusive demand or agreement with bestiality or anything like that.

Yes, well i will take that with a grain of salt...the relativity between them is not much more than affection...which is hardly relativity at all. Next time you morph into an animal let me know how it goes.

If that's really the best God can do with some offspring, I'm really sad.
He said 'love this, because I tell you too', this leaves us without:
1)how do we? 2)why won't it come too us directly? 3)what is it?
and the usual ever well known defiance of saying 4)'we cant'.

Past tense, brings upon me heart ache.

oh he who takes my words out of context... He didnt say "love this because i tell you too," he says "love because i love you, and here let me show you how."

No alternative compares, does not make ALL the rest '

wrong'. I'm doing the best
I can do understand, and I believe you're giving me the best effort as being with Him.
I realize this, does it still make me further away or developing closeness too my goal?

And your doing good. I think you already know that, from the talks we've had. You will meet your goal.



I intend to continue the studies, yes.

I found myself entangled in an even greater web of mysteries.-Raziel, Legacy of Kain Defiance.

then you need to step outside of your mind, and into Gods.

 

[TheD]

Amanda,

being that we have free will, its up to us to follow God.

So, we shall follow God.

Yes, it could've and it could've been later too. I don't question his timing, it eventually all gets revealed to me and that understanding is unexplainable.

I'm not questioning his timing either, it's just a lack of insight I guess.

aside from God's pure nature, what example do you have?

Those who are in him? I'm not suggesting God is impure,
that would be false and not a very intelligent claim.

every thought is essentially a choice...the choice to entertain that whatever it is...the choice to speak or not...results are only produced by our actions.

I didn't choose to think, I was adapted into using thought independently though. Results can happen without our choices, in the same way a new species is both possible (by evolution) AND created (by God).

They were enslaved into Egypt, and they were not exactly exiled. they were rescued by God's own personal hand.

Egypt had no cultural or historic account of needing to enslave these people, they were either invited or treated the 'slave driver' with the introduction of Yahweh and later Jesus. They were rescued by their survival plans, circumcision being an imprint to realize how to identify their own people. The closest God was involved, was the cult(s) of Antinous, Apis, Isis, Horus, Asclepius from Greece was tied into the mythology as well. All which either competed or simply died off with the later involvement of Christs' followers making room for themselves.
-I'll just agree they were enslaved, and God managed to rescue them no problem.-

are you promoting anarchy?

No such thing.

Well being that we're not, that's none of our concern.

We have every right to be concerned about others inhabiting Earth along side us though.

he came down as Christ as the "animal sacrifice" for all of us.

Some would say that 'animal sacrifice' didn't fulfill the previous testament's Messiah prophecy.
I'm not the expert though.

We shall study God's definition of justice as well. It should help clear things up.

Well as long as it's a more comforting choice then human 'justice', I have no problem with such a study.

God's timing is impeccable

It's just us then, .

I'll go with host. Thank you though.

Welcome .

Better to put your trust and expectations in God.

Trust no problem, I have few too no expectations from anyone. God included.

the relativity between them is not much more than affection...which is hardly relativity at all.

Would it help if i said, both the animal and a human
are made of the same universal elements?
Loving the creation is loving the creator.
I wouldn't abuse them, relative or not.

Next time you morph into an animal let me know how it goes.

As long as I don't end being worshiped unexpectedly, will do!

he says "love because i love you, and here let me show you how."

I says: I will love because he loves me, and let us continue to show others how.

you need to step outside of your mind, and into Gods.

I had a vision just last night, possibly from the very mind of God.
It covered allot of 'answers' so quickly and beautifully.
~Matt

 

[Sadiegrl]

Amanda,
So, we shall follow God.

There is much rejoicing in heaven for you right now. I'm right there with them...but still here on earth and just as happy! And yes, WE shall do so.

I'm not questioning his timing either, it's just a lack of insight I guess.

Thats good. All things shall be revealed to you in God's perfect timing.

Those who are in him? I'm not suggesting God is impure,
that would be false and not a very intelligent claim.

yes i would say so, but only those that daily choose to follow him. Once a child of God, we are always, but we still need to take the steps of love he asks us to.

I didn't choose to think, I was adapted into using thought independently though. Results can happen without our choices, in the same way a new species is both possible (by evolution) AND created (by God).

Well results are still a matter of someone's choices...not necessarily ours...true we can be affected by others' choices.

Egypt had no cultural or historic account of needing to enslave these people, they were either invited or treated the 'slave driver' with the introduction of Yahweh and later Jesus. They were rescued by their survival plans, circumcision being an imprint to realize how to identify their own people. The closest God was involved, was the cult(s) of Antinous, Apis, Isis, Horus, Asclepius from Greece was tied into the mythology as well. All which either competed or simply died off with the later involvement of Christs' followers making room for themselves.
-I'll just agree they were enslaved, and God managed to rescue them no problem.-

well this is actually the story of Joseph how he came to be in Egypt with his brothers...ie the 12 tribes of Israel. They lived peacefully in Egypt for a long time, long enough to reproduce within the thousands. The next Pharaoh however did not like it and had no respect for Joseph, and in turn made them all slaves. They were enlsaved for 400 years i think? I'll have to recheck the exact time, but it was long. Then they were delivered by God through Moses and his brother Aaron. Dont just agree with me though.

We have every right to be concerned about others inhabiting Earth along side us though.

yes we do, but i was saying we dont have to worry about any other way of learning than our own. It would be a futile waste of time and effort.

Some would say that 'animal sacrifice' didn't fulfill the previous testament's Messiah prophecy.
I'm not the expert though.

And to those people, actually his own people, the Jews, he told them to go back and search the scriptures of old for me. Jesus is all throughout the OT...its amazing. You'll see when you get your book! It'll be awesome!

Well as long as it's a more comforting choice then human 'justice', I have no problem with such a study.

God is the great Comforter...

Trust no problem, I have few too no expectations from anyone. God included.

And that is understandable...i remember having that same outlook...if i had no expectations i wont be let down. The thing with God is that he fulfills our expectations and beyond! Truly think about that, he knows our hearts better than we do, and knows what we need now, and later, and will personally gift wrap them in love and hand deliver them to you. He surpasses our understanding of grace and love. I'm so excited because you will get to experience this first hand!

Would it help if i said, both the animal and a human
are made of the same universal elements?
Loving the creation is loving the creator.
I wouldn't abuse them, relative or not.

ok, in that example...absolutely! God created them all in love as well. Even the birds are attended to and how much more important are we than birds.

I says: I will love because he loves me, and let us continue to show others how.

and you will be rewarded!

I had a vision just last night, possibly from the very mind of God.
It covered allot of 'answers' so quickly and beautifully.
~Matt

From what you told me about it...you sure did! How incredible to have been in the Master's embrace. Like i keep expressing to you...i'm so happy for you!