A question about Job.

brinny · Jun 28, 2014

Thank you Noxot for sharing your very interesting thoughts. I had forgotten what Job's wife had said when she herself confirmed that Job was a man of integrity. And yes, Abel's blood did cry out for justice and it's also written in the book of Genesis.

Noxot · Jun 28, 2014

brinny said:
Thank you Noxot for sharing your very interesting thoughts. I had forgotten what Job's wife had said when she herself confirmed that Job was a man of integrity. And yes, Abel's blood did cry out for justice and it's also written in the book of Genesis.

yes I see it says this:

Gen 4:9-10 (YLT)
And Jehovah saith unto Cain, `Where is Abel thy brother?' and he saith, `I have not known; my brother's keeper--I?' And He saith, `What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood is crying unto Me from the ground;

wow I see job is very wise. in his suffering he is speaking very deep truths and he is already seeing the innocence of Christ and partaking of the sufferings with Jesus Christ. he does not want his blood to be as abels was.

Job 16:18-22 (YLT)
O earth, do not thou cover my blood! And let there not be a place for my cry. Also, now, lo, in the heavens is my witness, And my testifier in the high places. My interpreter is my friend, Unto God hath mine eye dropped: And he reasoneth for a man with God, And a son of man for his friend. When a few years do come, Then a path I return not do I go.

for what its worth this is what enoch said about abel even though it is speaking about the condition of various parts of the human heart:

Enoch 22:6 Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses?
Enoch 22:7 He answered, saying, This is the spirit of Abel who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth;
Enoch 22:8 Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race.

we certainly don't need to read the book of enoch, all we need is God... after all, people get confused enough by the bible we all read. in fact we could all perfectly be with God by this verse job said all alone Job 16:18-22... if that is all we had left of the bible that is all it would take God to teach us and that is how wise job was with God. it looks like job sees God more clearly than most people will ever see God in their earthly life. I see the heavenly wisdom speaking through job plain as day. I wish we could all be so beautiful as him, surly God is well pleased with his beloved job.

brinny · Jun 28, 2014

Thank you, and yes Noxot, Job was a very wise man and yes what Job said in Job 16:18-22 was very profound.

The Outlier · Jun 28, 2014

Just a random and possible fact about Job. One of the theories on his identity is that Job was actually Jobab Ben Zerah, an Edomite king. I don't know how true it is, but there is someone of that name mentioned in the Bible as a descendent of Esau.

brinny · Jun 29, 2014

Thank you for sharing. It would be interesting to explore to see if he was the same person. Here is one perspective on it..there's a Part I and a Part II:

http://www.biblicalhorizons.com/biblical-horizons/130/

Biblical Horizons » No. 131: Was Job an Edomite King? (Part 2)

bmjackson · Jun 29, 2014

For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Job 19.25

Job was not at all a self righteous man when he acknowledged the need for a Redeemer, acknowledged a living personal relationship with Him and trusts in Him as Mediator, and prophesies that He will take on human form and stand victorious. This is how the church has interpreted Job throughout history, as a prophet and holy man.

Job has a good confession, being taught by God, and was comforted and assured by his faith in God and not in himself.

Setyoufree · Jun 29, 2014

bmjackson said:
Job was not at all a self righteous man....

"Let God weigh me (Job) in honest scales and he will know that I am blameless" [Job:31:6]

Job 33:8 "But you (Job) have said in my hearing-- I heard the very words-- 9 'I am pure and without sin; I am clean and free from guilt."

Ecc 7:20 "There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins"

Rom 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

Rom 3:10 "There is no one righteous, not even one"

1 John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin,http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-john/1-8.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-1 we deceive ourselves"

Job was honest...he thought he stood before God without sin. Yet he was honest too in his deception. He was self-deceived by his own self-righteous!

brinny · Jun 29, 2014

bmjackson said:
For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Job 19.25

Job was not at all a self righteous man when he acknowledged the need for a Redeemer, acknowledged a living personal relationship with Him and trusts in Him as Mediator, and prophesies that He will take on human form and stand victorious. This is how the church has interpreted Job throughout history, as a prophet and holy man.

Job has a good confession, being taught by God, and was comforted and assured by his faith in God and not in himself.

Yes, his testimony speaks for itself, and not only his, but God's own testimony of Job speaks volumes.

What you mentioned is the very definition of a Godly man and he was Godly because he feared God. This verse lived in his heart. It epitomized Job. Job KNEW God. He was also a wise man because he feared God. Amen sister.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10

Setyoufree · Jun 29, 2014

brinny said:
Yes, his testimony speaks for itself, and not only his, but God's own testimony of Job speaks volumes.

Yes, you are right....

First we see the haughty Job claiming to be "blameless".

Then, in the end, we see the humbled Job now claiming to be "vile"!

Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile ; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.

Both Elihu's and God's words silenced Job pretentious words. That's why he laid his hand upon his mouth.

squint · Jun 29, 2014

brinny said:
In the very beginning of the book of Job it is written:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~ Job 1:1

This is what God said in verse 8:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" ~Job 1:8

Satan didn't disagree. Apparently both were in agreement with God's description of Job.

God says Himself why this is happening to Job. Job was specifically chosen because of these characteristics described by God.

Here in verse 9 Satan himself agrees that Job fears God:

"Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?" ~Job 1:9

They were both in agreement that Job feared God.

This is why Job was targeted.

All of Gods children could technically be described as perfect.

What then is the source of our imperfection? This is the biggest question addressed in the scriptures.

The general construct delivered in the scriptures for all mankind includes these facts. These facts are unchanging for all mankind while they live in flesh.

All mankind (inclusive of Job) are planted in weakness, corruption and dishonor. (from 1 Corinthians 15)

The mind and heart of mankind is subject to intrusion by foreign adverse spiritual entities. (All the seed parables, exemplified in short version by Mark 4:15) Sin is in fact 'of the devil.'

All mankind are sinners. (everybody should have this one down pat)

Evil comes from within in the form of evil thoughts and this defiles us.

In all of these various 'judgment' exercises nearly everyone overlooks the role of Satan. You can say Job was targeted for being a nice guy or whatever, but Job was not alone between his own two ears.

Everyone is defiled by evil thoughts, their evil conscience and they are so by the intrusion of the TEMPTER.

It is not just man standing there in the form of Job.

There was Job and there was the tempter.

Job shut his mouth at the end just as he was supposed to:

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

The basis of GUILT is SIN.

Sin is of the devil.

Evil is internal in the form of an EVIL CONSCIENCE which produces EVIL THOUGHTS, and is so by the intrusion of the TEMPTER.

Any encounter with God on earth includes the possibility of an ADVERSE ENCOUNTER because none of us stand alone.

In short it's a LOVE HATE relationship that we all have.

God Loved Job

God Hates Satan/devils

These parties are presently overlapped on earth.

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brinny · Jun 29, 2014

Thank you kindly for sharing.

brinny · Jul 8, 2014

Job's entire crying out to God were the cries of the persecuted who are desperate for God’s intervention.

And he was.

Wouldn't you be?

brinny · Jul 8, 2014

These verses apply to Job:

"Blessed be the LORD: for he hath shewed me his marvellous kindness in a strong city. For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee." ~Psalm 31:21-22

brinny · Jul 8, 2014

Is it wrong to question God? Is it a sin to question Him?

This may shed some light on Job and his "questioning" of God:

Can We Ask God Why … or maybe How? | Fire Within

brinny · Jul 10, 2014

a comment from someone in reference to Job that is insightful and indicates a grasp of why everything came against Job from the gitgo. Without this grasp, it is pointless to read or study the book of Job or delve into the life of Job, one of the most dis-understood Godly men in Biblical history. This comment-er "gets it", while the author of the article he is responding to, doesn't, tragically.

Job did not sin. To err is necessarily sin. He did not realize that God was testing him. The point of The Book of Job is that, only God knows the heart. Job cursed the day he was born and wished he was dead, but he did not curse God. Therefore, Job maintained his perfectness. In order for a man to sin, he must have been given a law. The strength of sin is in the law. Where there is no law, there is no transgression. God does not reward sinners with good things, neither does he hear a sinner's prayer. Therefore, you are wrong, because you judge after the appearance. God judges the heart.
God showed Satan to be foolish, without knowledge. The book of Jobs gives an inside look at Satan's prideful wicked heart.
The book of Job is a comfort for all the righteous who suffer persecution, even though they do good deeds. ~by elcherry

From this article:

What was Job's sin? - Bible FAQ | United Church of God

brinny · Jul 10, 2014

In reading and studying the book of Jeremiah and this mournfully grieving prophet of God, it is striking how some of Jeremiah's own lamentations are similar to Job's. Both were grievously suffering, and crying out to God and inconsolable. Yet still Job's suffering was perhaps beyond even Jeremiah's in certain ways.

Would any of us be able to, or willing, to put ourselves in either of their shoes?

A verse from the book of Jeremiah:

"Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed." ~ Jeremiah 20:14

Sound familiar?

Setyoufree · Jul 11, 2014

brinny said:
Would any of us be able to, or willing, to put ourselves in either of their shoes?

Look at what happened to the unbelieving Jews during the invasion of Jerusalem in 70AD (See the whole of Matthew chapter 23). In their case they died.....Legalism and self-righteousness always brings trouble. Job learned better; the unbelieving Jews died in their unbelief.

squint · Jul 11, 2014

brinny said:
Job's entire crying out to God were the cries of the persecuted who are desperate for Gods intervention.

And he was.

Wouldn't you be?

I had a minor mouse problem in the basement a couple months ago. So, set a trap. Checked it the next day. The trap was GONE! My first thought was "I hope it's not a rat." I was hoping it was already dead if it was a mouse. To cart off a trap that is several times bigger than the mouse is no small feat.

Anyway, after 15 or 20 minutes of searching, I heard the trap move a bit and heard a couple of mouse squeeks. Sure enough there was the poor mouse, leg broken, squealing his poor heart out. His screams just cut to my heart. I felt sooo bad.

I probably shouldn't have let him loose in the pasture, but I did. That was weak on my part. But that mouse deserved to live after the fight he put up.

brinny · Jul 12, 2014

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Job's entire crying out to God were the cries of the persecuted who are desperate for Gods intervention.

And he was.

Wouldn't you be?

squint said:
I had a minor mouse problem in the basement a couple months ago. So, set a trap. Checked it the next day. The trap was GONE! My first thought was "I hope it's not a rat." I was hoping it was already dead if it was a mouse. To cart off a trap that is several times bigger than the mouse is no small feat.

Anyway, after 15 or 20 minutes of searching, I heard the trap move a bit and heard a couple of mouse squeeks. Sure enough there was the poor mouse, leg broken, squealing his poor heart out. His screams just cut to my heart. I felt sooo bad.

I probably shouldn't have let him loose in the pasture, but I did. That was weak on my part. But that mouse deserved to live after the fight he put up.

Interesting story of the mouse, i would've prob'ly done the same thing, although i don't see it as a "weak" thing to do. The mouse survived against great odds, and i would've given him his "due".

Thanks for sharing.

bmjackson · Jul 13, 2014

Poor thing would have been better killed in the trap. A cat might get hold of him and tease him before eating him alive. Otherwise he starves to death.

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