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A question about God

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Jesus gave us two commandments to follow.

“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (St. Matthew 22:37-40)
 
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Well I want God's plan too, but I don't want to burn as well. I wouldn't be happy with a plan that casts me into the lake of fire.
No. I'm pretty sure that everyone thrown into the Lake of Fire will not be pleased with God. But right now, the way I feel about him, is that he deserves all praise, even if he is using me to that end. I'm pretty sure he's not using me to that end, but I could be wrong. I certainly don't deserve his grace, but then, that's why it is called grace.
 
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“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22–23 (KJV 1900)

You can't quote that to someone who is fearful they will go to hell bc of voices saying as much due to schizophrenia. Exactly what purpose was that providing the OP, other to put more fear and insecurity into Angeleyes head?

That's not loving your neighbor as yourself. He was saying this to the goats, who outwardly appeared holy and righteous, but inwardly, were dead, lacked empathy, concern for others, justice. They used the Law, not to help guide, but to condemn others, whole ignoring their own sin, of focusing on tithing herbs, whole ignoring faith, love, justice, and mercy. The didn't offer to feed someone who was hungry, care for the sick, help those in need. They lacked love, and if we don't live our brother whom we have seen, we can't love God whom we have not seen. Jesus does not know them because they chose not to treat their neighbor in loving kindness.

Angeleyes - You don't do anything for Christ's Salvation except accept it, and choose to follow Jesus by loving your neighbor as yourself. Forgive others as you have been forgiven.

Understand, and this is very important - we choose whether we want to follow in the way of Christ - ask forgiveness, grant it to others, show kindness, show patience, hope and mercy.

What you must give up is selfishness, self-centeredness, cruelty bullying, any action, thought or word not done in love.

You either follow Jesus, with love in your heart, and Heaven is within you, or you choose to follow materialistic wealth, to put others down to exalt yourself, basically, live choosing not to love and care for others.

That's how it works. You don't earn your way in, so don't lose salvation. People are given a choice of heaven or hell.

Think of it like this: You are on Earth. You are told after your death that yiu can fly to heaven, or reject God's way, reject God's love, and stay on Earth or the place of the dead or whatever. You are ready to fly up to heaven, start lifting off, and see someone next to you trying to get your attention, bc they remain on the ground. You fly down, have a look, and then say, "Something is weighing you down." She says she is holding a grudge against her mother. On Earth, she stopped talking to her, and now, refuses to forgive her, bc she doesn' deserve it. You try to reason that none of us deserve God's forgiveness, and no matter how you were wronged, you gave to forgive her and let it go so you can heal. She refuses, so, until the choice is made to let go of that heaviness, you are weighted down.

I've always wondered if people with schizophrenia just tap into the spirit world, and the voices those of demons, who lie to get you to doubt and live in fear.

The Kingdom of God is within you. You are already in heaven, so, now already there, you can live your life in love and faith. That's probably why the voices say you are going to hell. They lie. You are in heaven now, so the best the voices can do is fill your head with doubt by telling lies.
 
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That's the scripture that scares me. Living my whole life just for God to say depart from me. Like never really knowing if I'm doomed or not.

The Father doesn't kick the Prodigal son out. The son chooses to leave, realizes leaving was the wrong thing to do, and wondered if his father would let him return, afraid, like you.

When the father dorsn't sit there, angry, thinking, "Well look who came crawling back..." No. He was joyful. He ran up and welcomed his son, saying they were going to celebrate.

Romans 8:38
And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love.
 
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Would God ever allow a Christian to wait their whole life just to find out they are going to hell?

I don't want that to be me. I repent and I pray and I want to love God I read the bible, but I'm scared God will send me to hell at the end of my life because of schizophrenic voices singing to me through someone else's headphones saying I lost my soul. It's been like 2 months since this happened and I can't get over my fear. As you can imagine living with the fear you are condemned until death.

Help! There has to be some way of truly knowing if I'm going to heaven or hell. I can't live my whole life with this fear.
You are starting out right. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. Fear God, because he is the one who can send you to hell. The voices are demons. Pray that God have mercy on you. Seek the Lord with all your heart and soul. If there is any sin that you are doing, if possible without help, stop. If it's something that you need help with, seek help. The demons are looking for an open door to enter in. Stop the sin and close the door.
 
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If you're reformed, then you believe that you love God because He predestined you to love Him.
But I will not say anything further and derail this thread.

I'm not, but thank you for not derailing the thread :oldthumbsup: The question was just coming from an obvious Calvinistic worldview so I answered it in a way that gave my very brief opinion on the belief structure while still answering the OP's question without saying whether I quite agreed with that worldview or not as that is not relevant to the post.
 
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You are starting out right. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. Fear God, because he is the one who can send you to hell. The voices are demons. Pray that God have mercy on you. Seek the Lord with all your heart and soul. If there is any sin that you are doing, if possible without help, stop. If it's something that you need help with, seek help. The demons are looking for an open door to enter in. Stop the sin and close the door.
Im upset because God allowed me to have schizophrenia
 
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Im upset because God allowed me to have schizophrenia
When Jesus and the apostles walked on the earth they cast the demons out. Those demons in you and around you need to be cast out. There are people who cast them out today, but I don't know where to find them. My brother had schizophrenia. He also used crack and didn't want to stop. If he would have stopped and seeked God he could have been freed from the demons, but he didn't stop doing the crack. He died at 50 yrs old , due to throat cancer.
 
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Im upset because God allowed me to have schizophrenia

We all have afflictions or pain in varying ways. We live in a fallen world and God saw and sent his own son to die for us. Im certain that was agonising for God but it shows just how deep his love is for us and how much his desire is to have us with him free and with no sorrows or pain anymore at home with him.
 
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That's the scripture that scares me. Living my whole life just for God to say depart from me. Like never really knowing if I'm doomed or not.
I have a question for you angeleyes...
WHO did Jesus make that statement you fear so much to??

Matthew 7:23

'And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
 
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You are starting out right. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. Fear God, because he is the one who can send you to hell. The voices are demons. Pray that God have mercy on you. Seek the Lord with all your heart and soul. If there is any sin that you are doing, if possible without help, stop. If it's something that you need help with, seek help. The demons are looking for an open door to enter in. Stop the sin and close the door.

I totally disagree. Love casts out all fear, so how can you both love and fear God? My parents disciplined me when I did something wrong, and I didn't sass them, never called them by their first name out of respect, fear as in revere, but I was never afraid of them. My parents never demanded that I love them, but I loved them because they fed me, they clothed and housed me, they comforted me when I was scared or crying. They didn't give me an ultamatum: love us back, or we drop you off on the bad side of town night, if w
we don't kill you first for looking at us sideways. And what did I do to deserve their love? I was born.

And if that is my human parents, wouldn't your heavenly Father being even more loving, merciful, want you with him, want you to have a life full of joy, rather than fear?

So, now that you have salvation you can never lose, the most demons can do to you is make you fear that maybe your prayer of salvation "didn't take." Maybe God didn't hear you. Maybe when you die, God will judge you for some sin, maybe even a minor one, say, "rules are rules" and send you away anyway because you weren't good enough.

Sound familiar? Sadly, it won't just be demons shaking your confidence, but some Christians. You'll read stuff, like people trying to convince you you can lose your salvation, usually by sinning, implying that they themselves don't sin (lie #1) or when the do sin, it's not intentional (lie #2). Yes, that's right - accidentally sinning. Hey, wait! You're not my husband. I didn't mean to gossip. I got revenge by keying his car, but it wasn't my fault.I was just angry. It's like that video where the mom is asking her son if he ate cookies after she told him no.

Then I hear, "In the end days, it will be like in the Days of Noah. And God only spared Noah his family, so..
So, what? God loved the world, and sent Jesus, who only managed to save about 8 people. Epic Fail, Jesus.

But once you see beyond the lies, you realize they are hollow words. Might as well say you have blue hair. Doesn't make it true.

I once had a Christian, convinced I wasn't saved, say,"Well, when you face God at Judgement, and he says, "Why should I let you into heaven," how will u answer???
I said, "You shouldn't, Father" and bow and smile as a way of acknowledging his mercy and grace.

There was a time in my life when I tried several times to end my own life because cruel Christians quoted scripture like Lucifer to convince me that God hated me and wished I was dead, and since I couldn't be executed under US Law, should help him out.

Those people, those are the ones that should worry about salvation, and facing to explain why they dared to convince someone of God's towards them, and misuse the Bible to do it.

They are all lies. Ask the HS. He'll back me up on this, and answer you.
 
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I totally disagree. Love casts out all fear, so how can you both love and fear God? My parents disciplined me when I did something wrong, and I didn't sass them, never called them by their first name out of respect, fear as in revere, but I was never afraid of them. My parents never demanded that I love them, but I loved them because they fed me, they clothed and housed me, they comforted me when I was scared or crying. They didn't give me an ultamatum: love us back, or we drop you off on the bad side of town night, if w
we don't kill you first for looking at us sideways. And what did I do to deserve their love? I was born.

And if that is my human parents, wouldn't your heavenly Father being even more loving, merciful, want you with him, want you to have a life full of joy, rather than fear?

So, now that you have salvation you can never lose, the most demons can do to you is make you fear that maybe your prayer of salvation "didn't take." Maybe God didn't hear you. Maybe when you die, God will judge you for some sin, maybe even a minor one, say, "rules are rules" and send you away anyway because you weren't good enough.

Sound familiar? Sadly, it won't just be demons shaking your confidence, but some Christians. You'll read stuff, like people trying to convince you you can lose your salvation, usually by sinning, implying that they themselves don't sin (lie #1) or when the do sin, it's not intentional (lie #2). Yes, that's right - accidentally sinning. Hey, wait! You're not my husband. I didn't mean to gossip. I got revenge by keying his car, but it wasn't my fault.I was just angry. It's like that video where the mom is asking her son if he ate cookies after she told him no.

Then I hear, "In the end days, it will be like in the Days of Noah. And God only spared Noah his family, so..
So, what? God loved the world, and sent Jesus, who only managed to save about 8 people. Epic Fail, Jesus.

But once you see beyond the lies, you realize they are hollow words. Might as well say you have blue hair. Doesn't make it true.

I once had a Christian, convinced I wasn't saved, say,"Well, when you face God at Judgement, and he says, "Why should I let you into heaven," how will u answer???
I said, "You shouldn't, Father" and bow and smile as a way of acknowledging his mercy and grace.

There was a time in my life when I tried several times to end my own life because cruel Christians quoted scripture like Lucifer to convince me that God hated me and wished I was dead, and since I couldn't be executed under US Law, should help him out.

Those people, those are the ones that should worry about salvation, and facing to explain why they dared to convince someone of God's towards them, and misuse the Bible to do it.

They are all lies. Ask the HS. He'll back me up on this, and answer you.
Proverbs 9 -10.The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.” mathew 10:28,Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
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Would God ever allow a Christian to wait their whole life just to find out they are going to hell?

The only way to avoid heaven is to despise God without end.
Just don't do that.
 
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CF is so odd. One Christian claimed that God made us for his own glory for us to praise him.,

If I said, my wife and I are planning to have a baby so it will tell us how great we are," it would seem very selfish.

If we are to fear God, love casts out all fear, what gives?
There is no other like God. Nothing greater than he. He deserves to be praised and worshiped.
When I was growing up, I feared my parents, but I also loved them. Because I feared them it kept me from doing things that I should not. The fear of the Lord keeps us from sinning.
 
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Pope John Paul II once said, "God doesn't send anyone to hell, they go there on their own when they reject God."

In other words, God doesn't force Himself on us, but we have the freedom to reject Him.
 
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That's the scripture that scares me. Living my whole life just for God to say depart from me. Like never really knowing if I'm doomed or not.

How I see this situation with you being scared is that you haven’t yet made your love for God to be perfect. ”There is no fear in perfect love” so when you truly love God, you stop caring if you go to hell or heaven. Perfect love means all you care about is loving God with all your soul, mind and heart. Then, what happens is that your fear is gone. That’s God working His power in you. When you love God for all your strength He will reward you. He will heal you, give you peace, protect you and so on.
And so, how can you love more God is to strengthen your relationship with Him, talk to Him like He is your bestfriend, Father and The Almighty creator as He is. Praise Him for everything and be grateful. When you focus on God, evil have no place in your life anymore.
Also, God has said in His word that :


Matthew 6:34

“Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

So God is warning us not to worry about tomorrow.

And as long as you love your neighbour and God He won’t punish you with hell. Many people will disagree with this but that’s their business. God is good. Don’t be afraid. God bless you.
 
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That's the scripture that scares me. Living my whole life just for God to say depart from me. Like never really knowing if I'm doomed or not.

Jesus said, "I will NEVER turn away anyone who comes to me", John 6:37. He also said that no one can snatch us from his Father's hands, John 10:29.
If you believe in Jesus, have come to him and trust him, you are God's child, John 1:12, and and heir with Christ, Romans 8:16-17 - God has said so.

He would not let you go your whole life believing this and then say "tricked you"; he cannot deny or go back on his word.
 
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Would God ever allow a Christian to wait their whole life just to find out they are going to hell?

I don't want that to be me. I repent and I pray and I want to love God I read the bible, but I'm scared God will send me to hell at the end of my life because of schizophrenic voices singing to me through someone else's headphones saying I lost my soul. It's been like 2 months since this happened and I can't get over my fear. As you can imagine living with the fear you are condemned until death.

Help! There has to be some way of truly knowing if I'm going to heaven or hell. I can't live my whole life with this fear.

FAITH
You must have it.
Faith that you are a Christian and going to Heaven in the end.
 
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