A Prophetess?

[Lionroot]

A new employee that works with me it's sharing her faith with me. Without exploring other specific theologies, Isn't there a fundamental problem with a prophetess leading men?

1Co 14:33-38
33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

In light of this, what would make it okay for a prophetess to lead a church?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[dewba]

Have you read the story of Deborah?

 

[Lionroot]

Have you read the story of Deborah?

We can talk about Deborah. First though, what about the quote from Paul?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[dewba]

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

My point with Deborah is that she did essentially lead the Church because the Church is everyone in Christ Jesus...

I'm certainly not going to go around telling anyone to do anything other than believe in Jesus Christ (if God calls me to do it with certain people)/pushing people into roles they don't feel called to, but Galatians and the story of Deborah make me believe it is possible...

 

[dewba]

It doesn't make any sense that he (Paul) says "If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord" but then goes and says, "there is no male or female under Christ." That information leads me to believe that he was speaking to anyone who was in the process of accepting/learning/hadn't been baptized yet; of course somebody who doesn't know how to teach the word shouldn't teach the word...

 

[dewba]

Galatians 3
Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It seems only by law are we still locked up as male or female. So when Paul refers to women, it must mean those who are still locked in custody under the law.

 

[Lionroot]

So do you believe that Paul reverses his stance in Corinthians with the text in Gal.?

Does that make sense?

Then why does he repeat a familiar theme in 1 Timothy 2: 12?

What then is it that Paul is saying in the 1 Corinthians text?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[dewba]

So do you believe that Paul reverses his stance in Corinthians with the text in Gal.?

What then is it that Paul is saying in the 1 Corinthians text?

Nope. He backs it up (see post #6).

 

[Lionroot]

So according to the way your suggesting that Gal 3: 28 should be understood. Would you suggest that a man can have a husband? Our a woman a wife? If not, why not? After all there is neither make nor female...

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Hillsage]

It seems only by laware we still locked up as male or female. So when Paul refers to women, it must mean those who are still locked in custody under the law.

The 'law' be hanged, the last time I looked in my pants I was pretty much locked up as a male. And the 'law' in the state west of the one I live in, will allow you to get unlocked with an operation in Trinidad Colorado...sex change capital of the 'lost' world.

But according to the understanding of some, as triune beings....WE are all masucline in our spirits. WE are all feminine in our souls and we are all male/female in our bodies.

That why even women can be called "SONS of God" and how men can become the "BRIDE of Christ". I am a 'son spiritually' and I am a 'bride soulishly' and I live in a male body. And in the eyes of God, what matters the least?.... "the flesh is of no avail;"

 

[Lionroot]

It seems only by law are we still locked up as male or female. So when Paul refers to women, it must mean those who are still locked in custody under the law.

Does that include Deborah?

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[wpage]

The only difference is plumbing...

 

[dewba]

Does that include Deborah?

It's not possible for me to say that God was wrong in appointing Deborah as a leader of his Church...

Also...I would not suggest homosexuality to anyone. The Bible clearly is against it... with the example of Deborah, He clearly has no qualms about anointing a woman as a leader and prophetess, so I cannot say that He would never do it again or that He is against it (in addition to the rest of the evidence); I would feel wrong in doing so.

 

[dewba]

The only difference is plumbing...

true that.

 

[dewba]

But according to the understanding of some, as triune beings....WE are all masucline in our spirits. WE are all feminine in our souls and we are all male/female in our bodies.

That why even women can be called "SONS of God" and how men can become the "BRIDE of Christ". I am a 'son spiritually' and I am a 'bride soulishly' and I live in a male body. And in the eyes of God, what matters the least?.... "the flesh is of no avail;"

yep!

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

 

[boldlion]

A new employee that works with me it's sharing her faith with me. Without exploring other specific theologies, Isn't there a fundamental problem with a prophetess leading men?

How is she leading like a prophetess by sharing her faith ? Can you please elaborate ?

Certainly scripture states that a woman cannot teach men (1 Timothy 2:12).

 

[mikemack]

I think this is one of those times where we have a habit of worrying about technicalities instead of just spreading Gods word.

I'm not great with remembering where but I think Paul preached this a few times.

Its like thinking the food we eat should determine who can be saved.

 

[Lionroot]

Also...I would not suggest homosexuality to anyone. The Bible clearly is against it...

That seems rather arbitrary. Clearly there is a difference between male and female, or there is not. Which is it?

Perhaps the Gal quote is about being joint heirs, and not so much about undoing the roles God has established elsewhere.

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[Lionroot]

How is she leading like a prophetess by sharing her faith ? Can you please elaborate ?

Certainly scripture states that a woman cannot teach men (1 Timothy 2:12).

Perhaps I wasn't clear. The faith being shared was formed by a "prophetess".

Rev 5:5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

 

[tturt]

There were numerous prophetess in the Bible such as the four daughters of Philip (Acts 21:8-9) which means that they spoke.

I Tim 2 - Scripture states "But I suffer..." so it was Paul's opinion but yet he endorsed Priscilla's teaching Acts 18:26 and Rom 16:3

Women confused Paul --- 1Co 7:30 “And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;”