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A Pro-Choice Consideration
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DXRocker73
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Lifesaver
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Dyrwen said:
Ah, thanks for the deeper insight on the pro-choice mentality.
Similarly, many don't care with murder as long as there is no-one screaming in pain...
Anyway, whether any of you changed your mind or not (and I know the answer is "not"), it was fairly successfully shown that there is no difference between killing a fetus and a born baby; that the likening of fetuses to parasites is a mere rhetorical (sp?) maneuver with no real rational or biological basis; that the fact that the fetus can't give its opinion does not justify that parents have the right to kill it; and finally, that the fact that US legislation allows it doesn't make it right.
Sure, you needn't care about any of this and live life as usual. It takes more responsibilities out of your life. You might even be relieved that thanks to many like you the American law probably won't change and the "pro-lifers" will never feel the taste of victory. However, the fact remains that hundreds of thousands of babies are murdered every year, and whether you care for them or not, their lives are as important as yours.
Institutionalized mass murder with the scale of the Holocaust is happening right now, only that this time most don't care.
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Well said there Lifesaver. I completely agree. It still gets me just how many people refuse to see the facts about babies in the womb, especially when you show them the medical documents stating so. But I guess some people will always just refuse to wake up and see the big picture. It's to easy to buy into what the media tells you.
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If you could point out when I said I speak for the entirety of the pro-choice community in my views, it'd be a valid statement to make about me. Until then, keep appearing as such.Lifesaver said:
Why would I hold the responsibility of another's life at any point in my life as something I need care about? Some people govern their own lives and those they create, others bomb people whom lives they wish to goven. Seems to be a way people work, I just happen to not feel all sad and morally "right" when things happen that I cannot control.Lifesaver said:
Least you've got your position well planted in protecting the lives of unborn creatures of humanity, may they be born or destroyed, however their creators see fit.
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Then we certainly wouldn't be warring as many countries and making as much money off the poorer populous in our country, don't know about where you live, but only through pain does much ever happen around here.
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AdJesumPerMariam
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Did you know ther is a heartbeat by 41 days? In other words this child has a heart before you even know for sure you are pregnant!
I am an OB nurse. The miracle of birth is just that, a miracle. I have talked with many women who have had abortions, and I have not spoken to one, yet, who is happy with the idea she did it. I have seen some have to have counciling because of it!
There is a trend today towards girls/guys not having sex before marrage-which means there is a 100% chance there will be no pregnancy, no std's, no emotional problems associated with it. The ones choosing to make this decision have so much more respect in themselves.
Under no circumstances should a woman get an abortion. Many, many people would love to adopt. You are killing another human-whether you believe or not.
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I am an OB nurse. The miracle of birth is just that, a miracle. I have talked with many women who have had abortions, and I have not spoken to one, yet, who is happy with the idea she did it. I have seen some have to have counciling because of it!
There is a trend today towards girls/guys not having sex before marrage-which means there is a 100% chance there will be no pregnancy, no std's, no emotional problems associated with it. The ones choosing to make this decision have so much more respect in themselves.
Under no circumstances should a woman get an abortion. Many, many people would love to adopt. You are killing another human-whether you believe or not.
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As an OB nurse you must realize there are some legitimate medical reasons for early term abortions....unless you are someone that believes the life of the unborn to be more important than that of the woman under any circumstances. Nobody likes the idea of abortion but sometimes it is the best course of action due to illness or other medical complications.
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AdJesumPerMariam
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What illness & what medical complications?
If it were that important that she not get pregnant, she wouldn't. In this day & age, there is no reason to become pregnant, unless that is what you want.
Love & Blessings!
dee
If it were that important that she not get pregnant, she wouldn't. In this day & age, there is no reason to become pregnant, unless that is what you want.
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Your a nurse and your asking those questions? I'm sorry but I got pregnant with my last child while on the pill. If you don't know that is possible I highly doubt your claims of being in the medical profession.
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Oh she is.. I married her
. We can send copies of licenses if it turns you on. Maybe God is trying to tell you something. I haven't read through the entire thread but I have a few thoughts. There are way too many contraceptives out there for there to be this many abortions. Well over 80% of abortions are done as a form of contraception. It's a sad state that people make that decision because they don't have the will power or discipline to keep their pants on. Pro-choice should end at that decision, knowing not all contraceptives are 100%. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not the "tissue" will be a baby if allowed to progress, and sometimes can survive on its own at the time of abortion. The big medical excuses I hear are almost always treatable (eclampsia).
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Ahh, no..I don't need to see the license. I just wanted acknowledgement that bc isnt 100% effective and you admited that, so obviously saying theres no reason to become pregnant unless you want to is misleading. "keeping your pants on" is cute, but if your married its not required and even married people can have unexpected pregnancies. Mine is now 13 yrs old . If you believe 80% abortions are a form of contraception then you must believe the other 20% might be due to illness or medical complications, another point I was making. Eclampsia can be treatable, but as you pointed out, not always. We agree on more than you thought ehh?
I don't debate abortion, if your against it you wont have one and I respect that. My view has always been that since there are always exceptions, no matter how rare, we cant make abortions illegal. And saying no woman should have one under any circumstance...well sorry, but thats not your call. We can do everything to eliminate the need...but the bottom line is nobody can make the call regarding a womans health except a woman and her doctor. And that requires us to keep abortion legal regardless of any of our own personal convictions.
. If you believe 80% abortions are a form of contraception then you must believe the other 20% might be due to illness or medical complications, another point I was making. Eclampsia can be treatable, but as you pointed out, not always. We agree on more than you thought ehh? I don't debate abortion, if your against it you wont have one and I respect that. My view has always been that since there are always exceptions, no matter how rare, we cant make abortions illegal. And saying no woman should have one under any circumstance...well sorry, but thats not your call. We can do everything to eliminate the need...but the bottom line is nobody can make the call regarding a womans health except a woman and her doctor. And that requires us to keep abortion legal regardless of any of our own personal convictions.
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AdJesumPerMariam
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Birth control is 99.6% effective when taken correctly.
Well over 80% are done for contraceptive reasons-in other words, they are too lazy to go to the doc & get on the pill! It is not good for your body to have multiple abortions. Everytime you go under a surgeon's knife, you risk death.
15% are because mama does not want baby.
5% are due to 'medical' reasons. Now IF those 5% decide they want their baby, (let's say they have been trying for years) They will do everything the doc says to keep the baby.
What about the mama that kills her child after birth, she figured it was ok to get an abortion, but didn't...so she just waited until after the child was born.
There are no true reasons for abortion. Mamas that want their children will risk their lives-and mamas that don't-won't.
Love-n-Blessings!
dee
Well over 80% are done for contraceptive reasons-in other words, they are too lazy to go to the doc & get on the pill! It is not good for your body to have multiple abortions. Everytime you go under a surgeon's knife, you risk death.
15% are because mama does not want baby.
5% are due to 'medical' reasons. Now IF those 5% decide they want their baby, (let's say they have been trying for years) They will do everything the doc says to keep the baby.
What about the mama that kills her child after birth, she figured it was ok to get an abortion, but didn't...so she just waited until after the child was born.
There are no true reasons for abortion. Mamas that want their children will risk their lives-and mamas that don't-won't.
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Whether they are legal or not, abortions will happen. If they are legal, and available, they will be preformed in the most humane way possible, so anyone that advocates outlawing abortion has not respect for the rights of the unborn fetus
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AdJesumPerMariam
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No respect for the rights of the unborn fetus??????Is that not what abortion is, not respecting the child???? Whether lawfully legal or not, you are still committing murder! Humane?? Have you ever seen an abortion done?? Do you have a will to live? Do you not think that child does????
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Lifesaver
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That is like saying murders will happen whether we ban them or not. And since murderers have, in a place where murder is banned, to resort to less secured and riskier ways to kill and to hide the body, the prohibition of murder has no respect for the rights of the victims!professor frink said:
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Lifesaver said:
The distinction here is that abortions are not preformed out of malevolence. If you have ever know a women who has had an abortion you will understand that its not done because she hated the baby, or wanted to hurt the baby. The two main reasons are that she does not have the means to support the child, and health risks to the mother. Other reasons include serious birth defects that would prevent the baby from living a happy life.
A more apt comparison would be to euthanasia.
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