A Pondering of the Peculiar

[bhsmte]

That's why it's great to have commentaries and dictionaries near you when you read the Bible.

It is also helpful to assure you choose the commentaries (from the vast number that are out there) that align with your own personal beliefs.

 

[Davian]

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The ultimate reason is: God can not violate Himself.

Oh, if only English were your first language...

 

[anyathesword]

It is also helpful to assure you choose the commentaries (from the vast number that are out there) that align with your own personal beliefs.

I meant concordances, lol.

Well that would make sense too.

 

[bhsmte]

I meant concordances, lol.

Well that would make sense too.

Yep. LOL.

 

[anyathesword]

I can't imagine. Must have just picked it up somewhere. Or perhaps you don't believe in hell after all.

Yeah, we know that one, it's called a protection racket and we've been through it before. Your god runs the operation. Pay him or pay the consequences. It's old news.

Ah yes, the boss is a beautiful person.

Yeah we know you want to blame everyone else apart from Mr Big. Much too risky to name Mr Big as the bad guy. Might end up going to hell yourself.

And what's wrong with choosing Jesus?

 

[CabVet]

And what's wrong with choosing Jesus?

Absolutely nothing, as long as you don't twist science to rationalize your belief along the way.

 

[juvenissun]

And, just like I predicted a couple hundred posts ago, you want to change the definition of omnipotent.

Thanks for playing, juve.

In a sense, you are right. Christian has very different view to common terms which are traditionally defined by humanism. Not only the omnipotent, but also a bunch of others, such as happiness, responsibility, work, home, etc.

In order to understand the world view of Christianity, you have a lot to learn.

 

[46AND2]

In a sense, you are right. Christian has very different view to common terms which are traditionally defined by humanism. Not only the omnipotent, but also a bunch of others, such as happiness, responsibility, work, home, etc.

In order to understand the world view of Christianity, you have a lot to learn.

That's because they are forced to change definitions because the standard definitions create logical contradictions....as we have just demonstrated.

 

[anyathesword]

That's because they are forced to change definitions because the standard definitions create logical contradictions....as we have just demonstrated.

The definition never changed, you just don't understand it that's it.

And the definition for omnipotent God should only be found in the Bible.

It is very logical and answer me why God would decide to lie?

 

[anyathesword]

Absolutely nothing, as long as you don't twist science to rationalize your belief along the way.

Science twists what the Bible says, even though the Scriptures were written way before science began. Science, especially evolution science tries to be against God to convert as many followers to itself, even if the science isn't supported much.

Science is a baby and it will never understand the beginning nor the "Big guy" according to some here.

 

[46AND2]

The definition never changed, you just don't understand it that's it.

And the definition for omnipotent God should only be found in the Bible.

It is very logical and answer me why God would decide to lie?

Then explain it to me, oh wise one. Perhaps you can do better than juve.

How is it logical that the bible claims "nothing is impossible" with god, but its impossible for god to lie?

 

[anyathesword]

Then explain it to me, oh wise one. Perhaps you can do better than juve.

How is it logical that the bible claims "nothing is impossible" with god, but its impossible for god to lie?

I'm not a Wise one, please don't call me that.

I have already explained it at least 4 times already.

If anybody followed my excercise posted some days ago about putting all qualities and characteristics of God and Satan in a list to compare, then you would at least have a better understanding of who is who. I posted the qualities too.

Once you get an understanding, then you move to the next step.

God is imnopotent. Why?

1. He is Almighty, meaning He has ALL authority of creation, mankind, angels, weather, plans, and judgement.

2. He can be anywhere and everywhere possible in the same time. No one can hide from Him, not even in hell.

3. He is in CONTROL of EVERY situation, over Creation, over mankind, over weather, over His plans and purposes. He controls how much evil can be in this world, how much Satan can run around, all according to HIS plans and purposes.

4. God is not a liar. Satan is the Father of lies. He is the liar. God's nature just doesn't allow for dishonesty, lies, wickedness, sin in Himself.
Just like a horse can't fly, it is against the nature of the horse to fly. God is Honesty. He is pure, holy, sinless, perfect. There is no room for deception in Himself.

5. God can do anything according to His plans and purposes. He is in control, He decides what to do, when to do it, and how to do it.

6. All you need to understand here is God is perfect and in control. Satan is the liar and not in control, he needs to ask permission from God all the time to harrass us.

7. God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

8. Savvy? Do you understand better?

 

[juvenissun]

That's because they are forced to change definitions because the standard definitions create logical contradictions....as we have just demonstrated.

No no. These many concepts are not changed one by one in care of logic. They were batch changed all of a sudden by a new higher guideline of Christianity. That is why Christians like to say that they are NEW persons. (I wonder if there is a "Christian Dictionary")

You should try to understand them instead of arguing against them. Think it this way, I understand what you know about omnipotent. But you do not know what I know about omnipotent. I understand what you know about happiness. But you do not know what happiness means to me now. In a sense, you are one whole generation outdated in understanding.

Just a bait to you (wish you do not bit): want to know what the new definition of happiness (or sadness) is? Even in humanism, this term is quite hard to define. But in Christianity, it is new and is very simple.

 

[juvenissun]

Then explain it to me, oh wise one. Perhaps you can do better than juve.

How is it logical that the bible claims "nothing is impossible" with god, but its impossible for god to lie?

Nothing is impossible, "if such thing exists and can be described by an independent definition".

In your example, the term "lie" does not independently exist. It is the opposite of "honest".

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Well, tell you what, I am bored by your deafness. Why do I repeat myself in trying to make you understand? I think I am a little stupid in doing that. Best wishes to you.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No no. These many concepts are not changed one by one in care of logic. They were batch changed all of a sudden by a new higher guideline of Christianity. That is why Christians like to say that they are NEW persons. (I wonder if there is a "Christian Dictionary")

You should try to understand them instead of arguing against them. Think it this way, I understand what you know about omnipotent. But you do not know what I know about omnipotent. I understand what you know about happiness. But you do not know what happiness means to me now. In a sense, you are one whole generation outdated in understanding.

Just a bait to you (wish you do not bit): want to know what the new definition of happiness (or sadness) is? Even in humanism, this term is quite hard to define. But in Christianity, it is new and is very simple.

If you spent a fraction of the time trying to make a constructive, coherent argument that you spend puffing yourself up and telling us how much you know (but somehow are never willing to divulge), you might be taken seriously rather than being regarded as a joke. But I suppose you would need a sense of humour to recognise that, and that goes hand in hand with a modicum of self-awareness, so, erm... bad luck, juve.

 

[bhsmte]

If you spent a fraction of the time trying to make a constructive. coherent argument that you spend puffing yourself up and telling us how much you know (but somehow are never willing to divulge), you might be taken seriously rather than being regarded as a joke. But I suppose you would need a sense of humour to recognise that, and that goes hand in hand with a modicum of self-awareness, so, erm... bad luck, juve.

When in doubt, retrofit whatever is necessary, to cover your tracks.

 

[46AND2]

I'm not a Wise one, please don't call me that.

I have already explained it at least 4 times already.

If anybody followed my excercise posted some days ago about putting all qualities and characteristics of God and Satan in a list to compare, then you would at least have a better understanding of who is who. I posted the qualities too.

Once you get an understanding, then you move to the next step.

God is imnopotent. Why?

1. He is Almighty, meaning He has ALL authority of creation, mankind, angels, weather, plans, and judgement.

2. He can be anywhere and everywhere possible in the same time. No one can hide from Him, not even in hell.

3. He is in CONTROL of EVERY situation, over Creation, over mankind, over weather, over His plans and purposes. He controls how much evil can be in this world, how much Satan can run around, all according to HIS plans and purposes.

4. God is not a liar. Satan is the Father of lies. He is the liar. God's nature just doesn't allow for dishonesty, lies, wickedness, sin in Himself.
Just like a horse can't fly, it is against the nature of the horse to fly. God is Honesty. He is pure, holy, sinless, perfect. There is no room for deception in Himself.

5. God can do anything according to His plans and purposes. He is in control, He decides what to do, when to do it, and how to do it.

6. All you need to understand here is God is perfect and in control. Satan is the liar and not in control, he needs to ask permission from God all the time to harrass us.

7. God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

8. Savvy? Do you understand better?

This does not address my question, at all. One more time (per the bible):

1. Nothing is impossible with god
2. It's impossible for god to lie

How is it logical that both of these statements are true?

 

[46AND2]

Nothing is impossible, "if such thing exists and can be described by an independent definition".

In your example, the term "lie" does not independently exist. It is the opposite of "honest".

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Well, tell you what, I am bored by your deafness. Why do I repeat myself in trying to make you understand? I think I am a little stupid in doing that. Best wishes to you.

Why can't you just admit that faith trumps logic?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Nothing is impossible, "if such thing exists and can be described by an independent definition".

In your example, the term "lie" does not independently exist. It is the opposite of "honest".

Abolishing lying now? Even god wouldn't go that far...
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Well, tell you what, I am bored by your deafness.

Interesting, given that all you do is make bizarre claims. What do you want us to do? Applaud?

Why do I repeat myself in trying to make you understand?

Simple: you don't try and make anyone understand. All you keep repeating is how much more you know than everyone else. That isn't explaining, that's acting out.

I think I am a little stupid in doing that

We can at least agree on half of the above sentence.

Best wishes to you.

And to you too.

 

[AV1611VET]

This does not address my question, at all. One more time (per the bible):

1. Nothing is impossible with god
2. It's impossible for god to lie

How is it logical that both of these statements are true?

I think someone needs a course in Bible paradoxes.

There are many.

Such as:

2 Corinthians 12:10b ... for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Matthew 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.