A Pondering of the Peculiar

[PsychoSarah]

The finite suffering of an infinite being is an interesting question. I believe Jesus totally and completely died - every aspect of Him was dead. I don't believe that the God part stayed alive while the human part died, I simply think that Jesus died. I am not a substance dualist (as you might be able to tell from my prior comments).

I think Jesus was God on earth in human form, or at least, that is how the early Church understood Him to be.

So Jesus was his own father? That is messed up.

 

[Sayre]

It is a very human flaw. Gosh, the people who take the bible literally think that the earth is at the center of an entire universe created just for humanity, and that everything revolves around them. If that isn't the epitome of narcissism, self-centeredness, and arrogance, then I don't know what is.

LOL Sarah you should meet my father in law. He is an atheist and he still thinks that everything revolves around him. This is a human condition I'm afraid, not necessarily a Christian one.

 

[Sayre]

So Jesus was his own father? That is messed up.

No, I don't believe that Jesus was His own Father.

 

[PsychoSarah]

LOL Sarah you should meet my father in law. He is an atheist and he still thinks that everything revolves around him. This is a human condition I'm afraid, not necessarily a Christian one.

I know, but I cannot help but feel that genesis is one of humanity's biggest ego trips.

 

[Sayre]

I know, but I cannot help but feel that genesis is one of humanity's biggest ego trips.

It wouldn't be alone. It is by no means a unique piece of literature... many many cultures have an equivalent. And I could point to equivalent "ego trips" of today's culture as well.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It wouldn't be alone. It is by no means a unique piece of literature... many many cultures have an equivalent. And I could point to equivalent "ego trips" of today's culture as well.

Which is why I say one of them, not the biggest.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The biggest who trip belongs to Charlie Sheen

 

[46AND2]

The finite suffering of an infinite being is an interesting question. I believe Jesus totally and completely died - every aspect of Him was dead. I don't believe that the God part stayed alive while the human part died, I simply think that Jesus died. I am not a substance dualist (as you might be able to tell from my prior comments).

I think Jesus was God on earth in human form, or at least, that is how the early Church understood Him to be.

Ok...I'll have some more questions for you, if you're interested in hashing out a definition for god that I can agree doesn't defy logic. But I've got to get some sleep tonight.

 

[Sayre]

Ok...I'll have some more questions for you, if you're interested in hashing out a definition for god that I can agree doesn't defy logic. But I've got to get some sleep tonight.

OK no problem.

 

[anyathesword]

So Jesus was his own father? That is messed up.

Oh my Sarah!

God is the Father of Jesus, Jesus is His Son. Why is that complicated to understand?

It's the Trinity Sarah, God the Father, Jesus His Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Do you have a family? The family is one family isn't it? Father and son?

 

[anyathesword]

Ok...I'll have some more questions for you, if you're interested in hashing out a definition for god that I can agree doesn't defy logic. But I've got to get some sleep tonight.

The Greek word translated as “Omnipotent” here is pantokrator, meaning “All-ruling” or (as it is more frequently translated) “Almighty.” When we say God is “Almighty,” we are stating our belief in His authority and rulership over all creation, and the Bible is firm in declaring this fact. Even though Satan is now the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4), it belongs to him only because Almighty God has granted it to Him: “And the devil said to Him, ‘All this authority [over all the kingdoms of this world] I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish’” (Luke 4:6).

It is God who ultimately reigns in the universe, and all legitimate authority must derive from Him. If we let Scripture tell us of God’s authority, we must agree that He has all authority to do all His pleasure (Isaiah 46:10–11), and to see to the fulfillment of His plans without fail. If we accept the Scriptural definition of “almighty”—and we must accept no other!—we can rightly call God omnipotent. Indeed, Christ says clearly that “with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26).

However, if we were to insist that omnipotent meant God could do anything and everything at all, we would need to reject that description, because His word says He cannot! For example, God “cannot lie” (Titus 1:2), and He “cannot deny Himself” (2 Timothy 2:13). The Bible clearly shows that God cannot act contrary to His nature. But do these “cannots” mean He is not omnipotent—not almighty? Not if we let Scripture define its own terms!
How is God Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient?

 

[anyathesword]

Bingo, and therein lies your problem.

Prophecies claimed and fulfilled! All within the same book that's authorship is questionable which also claims, with circular reason, that it is true.

Just go ahead and claim what you know you have to claim in order to justify your cognitive dissonance: Faith

Because you know you can't prove us wrong with anything objective.

What the crap? You don't understand do you?

Prophecies are foretelling of the future!! The Bible is full of them. 2500, 500 still to happen in the future.

They happened as they said they would.

Do you know probability? People did the math to see what the chances are of at least one prophecy fulfilled. Take a look at this:

"Jesus Historically fulfilled over 300 Prophecies...Accidentally?" (by Intelligent Faith 315) - YouTube

 

[juvenissun]

Then define your god for me, in a way that ISN'T ILLOGICAL.

You have utterly failed to do this.

Your definitions cannot contradict each other. Just like I can't be born in both 1950 (definition 1) AND 1970 (definition 2), your god cannot be both omnipotent (definition 1) AND incapable of lying (definition 2).

Here, I'll even use syllogism:

P1: omnipotent beings can do all things
P2: the Christian God cannot lie
C: the Christian God is not omnipotent

That is a very good question.
But, it would take about an hour in a face-to-face class, and I don't think it is worthwhile to do here.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

That is a very good question.
But, it would take about an hour in a face-to-face class, and I don't think it is worthwhile to do here.

What a poor excuse. Very weak. You could at least have tried: "I wrote a huge post explaining all this in detail last night but my cat jumped on the keyboard and deleted it."

 

[Mr Strawberry]

What the crap? You don't understand do you?

Prophecies are foretelling of the future!! The Bible is full of them. 2500, 500 still to happen in the future.

They happened as they said they would.

Do you know probability? People did the math to see what the chances are of at least one prophecy fulfilled. Take a look at this:

Not that you'll read it, but here is a page about failed bible prophecies:

Failed biblical prophecies - RationalWiki

Incidentally, it always strikes me as funny that the bible was so ineptly put together that it can't even fulfill all its own prophecies, which is pretty much a doddle to manufacture retrospectively but apparently was beyond the bible authors.

 

[anyathesword]

Not that you'll read it, but here is a page about failed bible prophecies:

Failed biblical prophecies - RationalWiki

Incidentally, it always strikes me as funny that the bible was so ineptly put together that it can't even fulfill all its own prophecies, which is pretty much a doddle to manufacture retrospectively but apparently was beyond the bible authors.

Wow and you believe this stuff??? Rational Wiki for Biblical Prophecies???

That's not going to work with me. Use good sources Mr. Strawberry.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Wow and you believe this stuff??? Rational Wiki for Biblical Prophecies???

That's not going to work with me. Use good sources Mr. Strawberry.

Fair enough, you could have used something other than Wikipedia. It kinda bothers me how much people pull information from it.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Wow and you believe this stuff??? Rational Wiki for Biblical Prophecies???

That's not going to work with me. Use good sources Mr. Strawberry.

I knew you wouldn't read it, but failed prophecies is a bit of a problem for someone claiming that fulfilled prophecies are proof for them. And the bible can't even manage to get that right, which is sort of like missing an open goal. I mean, even Nostradamus manages to do as well as the bible, and his book wasn't cobbled together after the fact.

 

[Heissonear]

I've often wondered - If the Devil is "The Deceiver" and as I've so often heard "God is evident in his creation"...

How are we to know that the Devil didn't write the Bible by whispering in the ears of the inspired?

With this in mind, would it not make more sense to believe in what the Nature of God's creation tells us?

Just a question that often strikes me when people so vehemently defend the literal word.

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It is no fun sitting on the sidelines, drumming up "what ifs". A big question mark.

Speak about ....... but have no true understanding.

It's your life.

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[Mr Strawberry]

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It is no fun sitting on the sidelines, drumming up "what ifs". A big question mark.

Speak about ....... but have no true understanding.

It's your life.

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I think I've found an appropriate emoticon: