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Thus the terms "wake-up call" and "reality check."Mine is basically my brain saying "nope, what you want to believe isn't gonna be what you believe, not happening".
Thus the terms "wake-up call" and "reality check."
Mine is basically my brain saying "nope, what you want to believe isn't gonna be what you believe, not happening".
I don't know. I barely, I mean just barely got into the Tyre prophecy and he ran away.
Again.
Perhaps he realize how indefensible that particular prophesy is.
Ninth commandment warning. You kept running away. Please don't lie. And it seems we are trying to discuss it now.
How about the most obvious failed prophesy.
Ezekiel 26 - A Prophecy Against Tyre - In the - Bible Gateway
I fail to see your point. The name of the land Tyre may have remained. But we do not find any Tyreanians. God spoke of destroying the people. Just like we do not see any Philistines today. But, the land of Palestine remains. Palestine was named after the Philistines.
19 For this is what the Lord God says: “When I make you a ruined city like other deserted cities, when I raise up the deep against you so that the mighty waters cover you,
There was no mention of being forever covered. It could have been a tsunami that utterly wiped them out.
For, it does not say...
For this is what the Lord God says: “When I make you a ruined city like other deserted cities, when I raise up the deep against you so that the mighty waters cover you forever.
Looks like God dealt the final blow over the people with a massive flood.
When Alexander the Great conquered the Medo-Persian empire, long after Nebuchadnezzar's siege, the new island city of Tyre resisted his advances. Frustrated by their efforts, Alexander ordered his troops to build a causeway to the island by throwing the ancient ruins of mainland Tyre into the midst of the sea,
It was a temporary flood. A man-made dam type flood that did it!
God did destroy them.
You do not find any Tyreranians alive today. Nor, will you find Assyrians, nor Philistines... let alone Sodomites.God wiped them all from the face of the earth.
Hello? I had real things to do. You want me to just jump in with a superficial evaluation?
Remember when at the start I said that the prediction "You will see a red car" is not a prophesy? There are "Tyreanians". They were never wiped out by Nebuchadnezzar. They were not even wiped out by Alexander the Great. That prophesy applied only to Nebuchadnezzar and he failed.
That never happened. Where on Earth did you get that claim from?
There was no flood. Show me a record of a flood.
It helps if the person you quote is not a total idiot. Tyre was the island. The island is now connected to the land. But if your source does not even know that Tyre was an island, and is now tied to the mainland, you have no hope.
There was no "mainland Tyre". The verse does not even talk about a mainland Tyre. Those are the "settlements" mentioned. Once again Tyre is and always was the island.
Nope, the people of Tyre were never wiped out. You have no evidence of that. In fact the evidence shows that though attacked many times before and after the prophecy the people of Tyre kept coming back.
Perhaps you should read this article:
Biblical Errancy: Ezekiel's Prophecy of Tyre: a failed prophecy
He does a very thorough job of showing how all of those apologetics fail.
Both the Hebrew name (Zor) and the Arabic name (Sour) of Tyre mean "rock," and the only rock around is the island.
Bible scholars who are also historians. Obviously,you never sat under a well educated pastor who knows how to teach thoroughly.
It says it was flooded. You have a record book of every flood that took place in ancient history?
[And, here is how that flood was brought about.The destruction of Tyre could have been plausible. However, the prophecy that Tyre would be thrown into the midst of the sea,
I believe that speaks of the people of Tyre. Not the land mass.
Alexander the Great conquered Tyre by building a dam. You can Google that.Nope. He did not build a dam. And you can Google that. He built a causeway. A causeway is not a dam.
There was also a mainland where people of Tyre apparently lived. King David at one time lived in a castle in raised mountain area... but the people lived in lower areas. The King of Tyre was on the raised rock.
No, the land areas were under Tyre's domain, but were not Tyre. Even the Bible verse notes that. Why didn't you read the Bible verse itself? Or didn't you understand it?
Where are they?
Some are still in Tyre. Some have moved on. People move. And remember the prophecy only applied to Nebuchadnezzar.
OK... he said this
So? If the Tyre people's population spread to the mainland and settled there, it would still be called the land of Tyres. Just look at the thirteen American colonies and America today. Are the eastern starboard states called the colonies, and the rest America? Same principle applied.
Where are the Tyre people today? Just because someone lives in what was once Tyre, does not make them the original Tyre people. Just like the Arabs who claim to be Palestinians are not Philistines .. Palestine means the land of the Philistines.
Where is your evidence that the people of Palestine are not Philistines? Yes Arabs moved in too. Some of the Philistines moved out. People move.
So you have still totally failed. Clean up your quotes and we can go over your failures. Don't try to get too fancy.
Ah, failures. People who did not understand either the Bible verse or the history of the area. Nice find. You found the worst of both fields.
Would you like to go over their failures?
You got a new nickname. "Snidely."
I'm pretty much grabbing things offline right now. (like you are doing) If you truly want a thorough answer? Its not as superficial as you want it to be. I would have to make a study of that chapter. That takes time to do right.
By the way, this prophecy is a twofer. Zeke realized years later that he really dropped the ball on this one so he gave another prophesy for Nebby, that he would defeat the Egyptians
Never happened.
I guess you just did not know? Nebuchadnezzar first learned of the Land of Israel while he was on his way to conquering the Egyptians.
Some more you never knew: NEBUCHADNEZZAR - JewishEncyclopedia.com
On this occasion Nebuchadnezzar ordered the singers of the Temple to add their music to his feast; but they preferred to bite off their fingers, or even to be killed, rather than to play their sacred music in honor of the Babylonian idols (Pesiḳ. R. 31 [ed. Friedmann, p. 144a], 28 [136a]; comp. Moses, Children of). He heartlessly drove the captives before him, entirely without clothing, until the inhabitants of Bari induced him to clothe them (Pesiḳ. R. l.c. [ed. Friedmann, p. 135b]). But even after the heavily burdened Jews finally reached Babylonia they had no rest from the tyrant, who massacred thousands of youths whose beauty had inflamed the passion of the Babylonian womena passion which did not subside until the corpses were stamped upon and mutilated (Sanh. 92b; comp. Ezekiel in Rabbinical Literature). Nebuchadnezzar carried to Babylon, together with the Jews, cedar-trees which he had taken from Lebanon (Lam. R. i. 4), and millstones which he made the captive youths bear (l.c. v. 13). Even the Jews who had sought refuge from the Babylonians in Ammon and Moab or in Egypt did not escape Nebuchadnezzar, who, on conquering Egypt, carried all the Jews in that country, including Baruch and Jeremiah, to Babylonia (Midr. 'Eser Galuyyot, ed. Grünhut, l.c. iii. 14; Seder 'Olam R. xxvi.). Nebuchadnezzar was equally victorious in his expedition against Tyre, whose king, Hiram, his stepfather, he dethroned and put to a painful death (Lev. R. xviii. 2; Yalḳ., Ezek. 367).The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.
Nebby was not an ignorant fool. He knew of Israel long before then. Why do you think that was when he first learned of Israel? Your article does not even imply that.
And now it is clear that even you knew you lost. You are totally off topic.
My knowledge is not based upon Google searches. The Google searches are something I can cite with.
I would get rid of that dummy if I were you. Someone is going to wise up and hit you knowing you're throwing your voice.
You have nothing but a bad premise that was given by a frustrated though determined atheist, who is driven by a bias and hatred that you identify with.
I know. It is based upon even less. But yes, Google searches can be useful.
Have you read the actual verses yet? Are you ready to discuss those? You do know that so far all you have linked is people that have made very foolish claims. And you too, calling a causeway a dam
Nebby was not an ignorant fool. He knew of Israel long before then. Why do you think that was when he first learned of Israel? Your article does not even imply that.
By the way, Nebby never conquered Egypt. You need a better source than that.
When he was young and his father was still king he defeated the Egyptian armies in the field. But that was one battle and he never conquered Egypt.
You should be able to find a valid source if that claim is true.
Problem: Nebuchadnezzar didn't take Egypt
Errancy.org
This website represents one man's look at a fairly random selection of alleged Biblical contradictions, errors, and other problems. Problems are classified as Weak, Minor, or Serious, according to how severe they are for the doctrine of inerrancy: that is, the view that the Bible contains no errors. Of course, these ratings are pretty subjective. You might want to read my thoughts on how Christians should respond to these problems. I don't argue that Biblical errors are fatal for Christianity, merely a certain fundamentalist brand of it (but full disclosure: I am not currently a Christian).
You are cutting and pasting another person's work, who you assume he knows what he is talking about. He makes declarations, then offers no proof. Who are you kidding? You are just running with what you read and take the assumed position that if you act like it can not be wrong, that you will win. You have a lot to learn.. That stuff is effective with young Christians who are first starting to grow. I am not going to jump through your hoops because you can not verify what you are cutting and pasting is true! I showed you some things by people who know their history and Bible, and you shout that they do not know what they are talking about. You do not know your Bible. Go pick on someone who is a baby and knows only a little if you want that stuff to work.
Here is an example of your presumptuous thinking.
He may have heard of Israel. But while he was on the way to battle with the Egyptians he came upon a beautiful city on a hill. He inquired, and learned it was Jerusalem. It was at that time he sought to overtake Israel. First a Babylonian priest read the entrails of a pig for direction, and then Nebuchadnezzar went ahead and invaded the land.
I bet you knew that already. Bet one of your atheist web pages with Bible passages to throw in the face of believers, knew that too. What a joke.
You can not verify what you cut and paste, but you want to act like they are irrefutable. You do not even know enough Bible to know you have been refuted. You do not know the Bible very well, and you are trailing into areas that only scholars would be able to show someone through.
To explain anything to you falls to the ground, because when it comes to the Bible you have no power of comprehension. You have a veil over your mind. All you have are some atheists here waving pom poms for what you cut and paste, they also not knowing what the Bible teaches. Its all an act. Its not hard to detect.
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