A Pondering of the Peculiar (4)

[bhsmte]

Nice day... but a little cloudy. Beats snow.

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In regards to the last thread, you never answered my question below in regards to your comment that; "evolution was a marketing tool to keep people away from faith".

Looking at your last paragraph, the majority of believers accept the theory of evolution and still have faith in their belief in God. Is that ok with you, or do you feel there is something wrong with that?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Every person born will have 50-60 differences in their DNA not shared by either parent (not necessarily on genes, but a few of them can impact genes). Not sure why you are confused.

I was actually hoping for more information on the types of mutations - point insertion/deletion, ERV, frameshift, etc. I know we have 4 ERVs our parents don't have, so I was curious as to your source for the remaining 46-56.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

You folks are very closed minded. For many do understand. But, what you just said serves as a hiding place for you. Its a means to cover yourselves in smugness to feel untouchable.

No, it is just stating a fact to say that you don't have a clue how evolution works. Let's put it in terms that might make sense to you: if someone makes comments about car engines that demonstrate they don't understand how they work, telling them that they don't have a clue how car engines work saves a lot of time because it means they can start ironing out their misconceptions and misunderstandings. If, however, instead they start telling you that you are closed minded and smug and all the other even more lovely things you have thrown about in this thread, they are then adding rudeness to ignorance, which isn't exactly progress.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I was actually hoping for more information on the types of mutations - point insertion/deletion, ERV, frameshift, etc. I know we have 4 ERVs our parents don't have, so I was curious as to your source for the remaining 46-56.

How Many Genetic Mutations Do I Have? | LiveScience

Not the best of sources I am sure, but I don't feel like tracking a bunch down. I am not the only one on here to use those numbers, so I feel decently good about them.

 

[GenemZ]

Weather is relative to location.

Some people bring the same weather wherever they go.

 

[bhsmte]

Some people bring the same weather wherever they go.

Really? How do they do that?

Please answer my question in post #21.

 

[GenemZ]

No, it is just stating a fact to say that you don't have a clue how evolution works. Let's put it in terms that might make sense to you: if someone makes comments about car engines that demonstrate they don't understand how they work, telling them that they don't have a clue how car engines work saves a lot of time because it means they can start ironing out their misconceptions and misunderstandings. If, however, instead they start telling you that you are closed minded and smug and all the other even more lovely things you have thrown about in this thread, they are then adding rudeness to ignorance, which isn't exactly progress.

You can not know God is real? So? Evolution is something you can relate to. And, actually... it becomes a form of worship for your way of thinking. For it gives the illusion of answering the big question.


Now... I will ask. The Big bang. Ok? Explosion...and for some reason all the planets and stars end up as orbs. Round orbs. We also see a few oddities and ragged rocks orbiting in the form of space debris caused by impacts with other planets, or imploding.

How can you even begin to explain why almost all the planets and stars and suns ending up as round balls? Friction? No atmosphere in space. All came out of the same factory perhaps?

Take a piece of any solid substance and heat it - and explode it? You will not end up with near perfect globes. Especially when using the materials the suns, moons, stars, and planets consist of.

BOOM!

and... viola!

 

[GenemZ]

In regards to the last thread, you never answered my question below in regards to your comment that; "evolution was a marketing tool to keep people away from faith".

Looking at your last paragraph, the majority of believers accept the theory of evolution and still have faith in their belief in God. Is that ok with you, or do you feel there is something wrong with that?

Majority of believers? Where are you getting your numbers from? carbon dating? besides..Believing that there is a God? Does not automatically equate with believing God.

"You believe that there is one God. Good!
Even the demons believe that—and shudder." (James 2:19)


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Many men instinctively understand that there has to be a God. They try to give him all sorts of names and false images to suite their own preferences. For, logically they can not deny there must be a God. Yet, they choose to refuse to believe God. For, He frustrates and angers them because they find him too inconvenient to suite their deepest selfish desires. So, they recreate God into something that serves them better. That is why we find so many religions. But, that's another topic for another thread.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Now... I will ask. The Big bang. Ok? Explosion...and for some reason all the planets and stars end up as orbs. Round orbs. We also see a few oddities and ragged rocks orbiting in the form of space debris caused by impacts with other planets, or imploding.

How can you even begin to explain why almost all the planets and stars and suns ending up as round balls? Friction? No atmosphere in space. All came out of the same factory perhaps?

Take a piece of any solid substance and heat it - and explode it? You will not end up with near perfect globes. Especially when using the materials the suns, moons, stars, and planets consist of.

BOOM!

and... viola!

Then big bang was not an explosion. Planets are round because of gravity. "The materials the suns, moons, stars, and planets consist of" - what's that then - atoms? Is there some other material that would work differently?

No Boom, no voilà.

 

[lesliedellow]

You can not know God is real? So? Evolution is something you can relate to. And, actually... it becomes a form of worship for your way of thinking. For it gives the illusion of answering the big question.

The only question Evolution is meant to answer is how there came to be the multifarious species there are on the planet.

How can you even begin to explain why almost all the planets and stars and suns ending up as round balls?

One word - Gravity.

Creationists could at least do us the favour of finding some new fallacies to peddle, instead of coming up with the same old ones, over and over again.

 

[bhsmte]

Majority of believers? Where are you getting your numbers from? carbon dating? besides..Believing that there is a God? Does not automatically equate with believing God.

"You believe that there is one God. Good!
Even the demons believe that—and shudder." (James 2:19)


​

Many men instinctively understand that there has to be a God. They try to give him all sorts of names and false images to suite their own preferences. For, logically they can not deny there must be a God. Yet, they choose to refuse to believe God. For, He frustrates and angers them because they find him too inconvenient to suite their deepest selfish desires. So, they recreate God into something that serves them better. That is why we find so many religions. But, that's another topic for another thread.

Do you deny the majority of people who believe in God also agree with evolution? The majority of Christians world wide also agree with evolution, do you deny this as well?

You would grant each person the right to state whether they believe in a God and or are a Christian, wouldn't you?

 

[Strathos]

Learning about the very basics of cosmology and the Big Bang would be a logical first step if you want to argue against it.

It seems this problem is more common among creationists even than the equivalent regarding evolution.

 

[Dizredux]

You quoted me as saying:

First, they don't have a clue of how evolution works.

You then responded:

. Fine. God also made man to tan when exposed to the sun. But, when you find dogs developing beaks because of a food supply being cut off? Then you might have a point as to what you so dogmatically present as a given fact.

Thanks, you made my point far better than I ever could have.

Dizredux

 

[lesliedellow]

He frustrates and angers them because they find him too inconvenient to suite their deepest selfish desires. So, they recreate God into something that serves them better. That is why we find so many religions. But, that's another topic for another thread.

What has any of that twaddle got to do with evolution? Even if it were true that Christians who disagree with you must have all the undesirable attributes you ascribe to them, it is still not obvious why that would have them racing off, saying, "I know! I must embrace evolution!"

 

[GenemZ]

Then big bang was not an explosion. Planets are round because of gravity. "The materials the suns, moons, stars, and planets consist of" - what's that then - atoms? Is there some other material that would work differently?

No Boom, no voilà.

Not all planets are round. Most are. And, they are not of uniform size, nor consist of the same elements in ratio.

I wonder..

Tell me where did all those atoms materialized from? Atoms are not random inactive lumps, but contain within each one a tremendous amount of energy. Its not gravity holding them together.

If you can get an atom to release what it stores in energy its mind boggling to think that they could even hold together.

Which reminds me...

I once heard about an eccentric physicist who claimed to know the secret as to where the atom originated from. His colleagues found his reasoning to be very odd and a bit irrational.. His theory was rejected and later they considered him to be just a quark.

 

[GenemZ]

What has any of that twaddle got to do with evolution?

Ever hear? If there were no God, man would invent him?

Well?

... Even if there were a God? The atheists would invent an excuse to deny Him. Hence, the theory of evolution as we see it today. Things evolve. Life did not begin without God.

Even if it were true that Christians who disagree with you must have all the undesirable attributes you ascribe to them, it is still not obvious why that would have them racing off, saying, "I know! I must embrace evolution!"

Only those (who in their own minds) want to knock God down to their own size embrace evolution. It makes God very small. It makes God not to be God. It also runs through the open door leading to a fantasy world. One of believing atoms could materialize out from nothing.

 

[bhsmte]

Not all planets are round. Most are. And, they are not of uniform size, nor consist of the same elements in ratio.

I wonder..

Tell me where did all those atoms materialized from? Atoms are not random inactive lumps, but contain within each one a tremendous amount of energy. Its not gravity holding them together.

If you can get an atom to release what it stores in energy its mind boggling to think that they could even hold together.

Which reminds me...

I once heard about an eccentric physicist who claimed to know the secret as to where the atom originated from. His colleagues found his reasoning to be very odd and a bit irrational.. His theory was rejected and later they considered him to be just a quark.

Two questions:

1. Is the above supposed to make any sense?

2. Why do you ignore simple questions posed to you?

 

[GenemZ]

You quoted me as saying:
You then responded:


Thanks, you made my point far better than I ever could have.

Only from your very limited and limiting perspective...

 

[lesliedellow]

Not all planets are round. Most are. And, they are not of uniform size, nor consist of the same elements in ratio.

Find me a planet shaped like a cube. They are very nearly spherical, and any slight bulge is caused by the rotation on their axis.

Tell me where did all those atoms materialized from?

Nucleosynthesis, shortly after the big bang.

Atoms are not random inactive lumps, but contain within each one a tremendous amount of energy. Its not gravity holding them together.

No, it is the strong nuclear and electromagnetic forces which hold them together.

 

[GenemZ]

Nucleosynthesis, shortly after the big bang.

Out from nothing? NOTHING means nothing. Nothing got bored and had a fit?

No, it is the strong nuclear and electromagnetic forces which hold them together.

Why the need for something to be so strong in order to hold it together? That was what I was getting at. Its as if what is in the center was corralled and fenced in. I know... a mindless nothing brought it about. Right...