A polygamus nation?

[Candide]

I heard somebody discussing homosexual marriage the other day, and they brought up what I thought was a really interesting point of view for the whole matter. This person argued that we live in a polygamous nation right now. The majority of people who get divorced remarry (even in the church), which (unlike homosexual marriage), Jesus himself condemns explicitly.

Many people in our nation have had many wives or husbands, and we're okay with that. How can we be okay with that, and not with homosexual marriage? That doesn't make sense to me.

As I stated earlier, Jesus doesn't mention homosexual marriage, but he does mention divorce, and he isn't to kind towards it. Why is the church just ignoring this?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Who said we're ok with it? I'm no activist, but I think some of us will say what's wrong with divorce as well as gay marriage. (Though I don't see the point..)

 

[Colabomb]

Divorce is a sin. Plain and simple.

I'm not okay with it. Nice try.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I think she's trying to say that while we concentrate so much on homosexuality which is controversial in everyones mind, many MANY people have a "Divorce is okay if it's really necessary" and even those who don't agree with it don't make a big deal about it. There aren't a number of divorce threads in the general Christian Philosophy forum. If people are really in such disagreement with it, why is it so common and why does no one speak up about it?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Maybe we should start some divorce topics in this section? (Even though it's "debates on homosexuality" section.) While we may see people who think pre-marital sex is ok. (By saying "marriage" is something else, yet still calling it pre-marital sex, or merely an excuse to fornicate..) But you don't see many who are "for" divorce, and they would receive the same opposition.

 

[Candide]

No, my point is that there aren't people out there trying to outlaw divorce. But there are people trying to outlaw gay marriage.

Why?

Why is it acceptable to have a pastor who is divorced, while it's not okay (in most people's minds) to have a pastor who is gay?

Why is the church focused so much on gay marriage and opposing it, and not divorce?

 

[dayknee]

Divorce is a sin. Plain and simple.

I'm not okay with it. Nice try.

Divorce isn't a sin...<shakes her head> God hates divorce for all reasons but unfaithfulness..and even unfaithfulness can have a lot of different meanings..there is way too much "divorce is a sin" thing going on..lying is a sin too..a thread should be started about that..there are so many commandments broken daily by you and i and others..we should all have threads for those also..not just divorce..it isnt the end all sin of the ages..

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Perhaps because there is a reason marriage can be undone. (Unfaithfulness) And then you see homosexual sex is never allowed. But I don't really know about political agendas, I'm sure the majority aren't in favor of keeping marriage anyway.

 

[david_x]

A polygamus nation?


I heard somebody discussing homosexual marriage the other day, and they brought up what I thought was a really interesting point of view for the whole matter. This person argued that we live in a polygamous nation right now. The majority of people who get divorced remarry (even in the church), which (unlike homosexual marriage), Jesus himself condemns explicitly.

Many people in our nation have had many wives or husbands, and we're okay with that. How can we be okay with that, and not with homosexual marriage? That doesn't make sense to me.

As I stated earlier, Jesus doesn't mention homosexual marriage, but he does mention divorce, and he isn't to kind towards it. Why is the church just ignoring this?

No one in the Church will ever get a divorce. (Unless they are being abused, then it is okay)

 

[EnemyPartyII]

talk is cheap. You people should be out throwing rocks at remarried people's funerals like you do for homosexuals.

 

[Candide]

For the record, I'm a staunch supporter of gay marriage, as well as gay rights. This is more a criticism of those who disagree, than a "why stop with gays?" thread.

 

[Trashionista]

I heard somebody discussing homosexual marriage the other day, and they brought up what I thought was a really interesting point of view for the whole matter. This person argued that we live in a polygamous nation right now. The majority of people who get divorced remarry (even in the church), which (unlike homosexual marriage), Jesus himself condemns explicitly.

Many people in our nation have had many wives or husbands, and we're okay with that. How can we be okay with that, and not with homosexual marriage? That doesn't make sense to me.

As I stated earlier, Jesus doesn't mention homosexual marriage, but he does mention divorce, and he isn't to kind towards it. Why is the church just ignoring this?

I agree completely.

Personally, I have no issue with remarriage or gay marriage being legal in society. I don't nessecarily feel it has to be implemented into all churches [though same-sex marriage being implemented wouldn't bother me personally.], because I do feel that that's a sore spot. Maybe that will change in 50 years, I don't know.

But I can safely say - for whatever reason - guilt, sheer laziness, been-there-done-that, I will never marry more than once. Just because I wouldn't see the point.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I agree completely.

Personally, I have no issue with remarriage or gay marriage being legal in society. I don't nessecarily feel it has to be implemented into all churches [though same-sex marriage being implemented wouldn't bother me personally.], because I do feel that that's a sore spot. Maybe that will change in 50 years, I don't know.

But I can safely say - for whatever reason - guilt, sheer laziness, been-there-done-that, I will never marry more than once. Just because I wouldn't see the point.

But you could have different themes for all your different weddings!

A cowboy one... a medieval one... an Elvis one... a masquerade one (make sure you and the groom have some sort of clear identifying signal planned out before hand!)... a Haloween one... indeed, I believe some marriage chapels in Vegas now offer a loyalty card system where your 6th wedding is free

 

[Trashionista]

But you could have different themes for all your different weddings!

A cowboy one... a medieval one... an Elvis one... a masquerade one (make sure you and the groom have some sort of clear identifying signal planned out before hand!)... a Haloween one... indeed, I believe some marriage chapels in Vegas now offer a loyalty card system where your 6th wedding is free

Does it have to be six marriages to six different people, or just six ceremonies?

I kind of like the multiple ceremonies idea... like an elopement, and then an actual wedding after.

BUT... to make it clear, if I were married & got divorced, or was widowed, I just don't think I'd see the point in getting married to another man again.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Does it have to be six marriages to six different people, or just six ceremonies?

I kind of like the multiple ceremonies idea... like an elopement, and then an actual wedding after.

BUT... to make it clear, if I were married & got divorced, or was widowed, I just don't think I'd see the point in getting married to another man again.

I don't know if it can be 6 ceremonies to the same person... although to be honest, I always found the whole "renewal of vows" thing a bit cheesy...

But then I find weddings to be a bit cheesy REALLY... its supposed to be about comitment between two people, not some sort of validation from others.

I mean, having a wedding because you want to publically show your comitment to each other before famioly and friends is one thing, but feeling its something you HAVE to do to achieve some sort of validity I find repugnant

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Quite an accusation. Who is throwing rocks, what is throwing rocks?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Quite an accusation. Who is throwing rocks, what is throwing rocks?

Fred Phelps, for one... however many allegorical rocks are thrown at homosexuals every day... far more than those thrown at any other group of supposed "sinner"...

 

[Apollo Celestio]

One guy, i'm sure you heard about that old catholic lady that got killed by a gay guy. Stereotypes aren't fun. And ask anyone about Fred Phelps, nobody agrees with his message of hate.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

One guy, i'm sure you heard about that old catholic lady that got killed by a gay guy. Stereotypes aren't fun. And ask anyone about Fred Phelps, nobody agrees with his message of hate.

yes, but it ISN'T just one guy... ask mathew shepherd.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

But what about the many who don't? I certainly don't throw rocks at them. Telling someone their sin is sin is not throwing rocks. Rock throwing is in actions, not words..