A poll

[atomweaver]

The Bible says that by one man sin and death entered into the world. It also says that GOD was grieved by how evil man had become and that is why HE sent the FLOOD. GOD hold everthing togeather, it is man and sin that wants to be separated from GOD, and GOD does allow it and has made an eternal provision for such.

SUper duper, Little Nipper. But if i want to do something practical; find an oil deposit, feed more people, make a better medicine.... science gives the tools to make it happen.

Right now, Satan is in charge of this kingdom (though he has already lost the war). Might you really believe that such a hateful creature wants man to prove GOD? You do think that GOD hasn't allowed Satan to have any influence over man's imagination? Has not GOD warned man through HIS word?

You are right when you suggest that there in a proper way and an improper way to use tools. Can you not see that to view nature without the CREATOR would be a very wrong way to consider a nature HE established.

I'll rely on observation, then; the result of viewing nature With the CREATOR as creationists do leads to chaos, disparity, and variance; even just within the US Creationist movement, there is YEC, OEC, Day-age, Omphalos, gap creationism, progressive creationism, neocreationism. intelligent design... and then you've got "make it up as I go" local variants such as different-state past, and embedded age-ism. The real kicker is, they are contradictory and mutually exclusive, yet each one asserts 100% congruity with The CREATOR, and yet not a single one of them is ever applied to anything useful for doing anything practical in our reality. They each merely stand as assertions, only.

If you are interested in furthering the opinion that viewing nature With The CREATOR is the way to go, then put a helmet on, and get in the game. Take your pet hypothesis, and go use it to find (or make) some oil, or improve a crop yield, or alleviate someone's illness. But for the love of donut holes some Creationist oughta get off their duff and do something more than just blab on about it... As a scientist, I'm quite frankly sick and tired of doing all your heavy lifting, whilst listening to creationists carp on about what a bad job scientists doing. If creationists have got a better method, they're doing a grave disservice to their faith by failing to even attempt to apply it.

And since HE has told man why nature exists now as it is ------ would it not be wrong ignore such data?

"HE told" is not "data", it is "testimony". There's a difference, see.

GOD isn't going to force HIMSELF on anyone ---- unlike Satan. Satan is trying to capture whomever he may.

If the chaos and discord amongst the various creationist notions is any indication, Christians ought to be able to make an educated guess as to exactly who he's captured.

 

[atomweaver]

The universe and everything in it has been corrupted by sin. Our observations and investigations are clouded by sin. GOD's WORD is PERFECT.

Tell me, LN, did you make your assertion "GOD"S WORD is PERFECT" from within the universe, or from outside of it?

 

[Joachim]

Statement A

 

[LittleNipper]

Mythic narrative. Not relevant to the real world. A waste of time. And a real turn off for many if not most people.

But at least you are sincere. That's a positive.

A large part of society is very gay. Perhaps you should just take a MYOB attitude instead of the unnecessarily judgmental one you have at present. Maybe that would be best.

Everyone could be working together to make a better world. I am really doubting you are doing the best job you can do. Please try harder, won't you?

Thanks.

I'm not the judge. I would say I was a realist. I'm willing to work for a better world. Better is not a sexual one. It happens to be a truthful one.

 

[SiderealExalt]

I'm not the judge. I would say I was a realist. I'm willing to work for a better world. Better is not a sexual one. It happens to be a truthful one.

Yeah I forgot that all gays are about is sex.

/sarcasm

 

[LittleNipper]

Tell me, LN, did you make your assertion "GOD'S WORD is PERFECT" from within the universe, or from outside of it?

That's hard to say. The HOLY SPIRIT awakened a hunger in me and filled it. GOD is not of this world but HE certainly is the CREATOR of it and moves through it. So perhaps a little of both would be the correct assertion.

 

[LittleNipper]

Yeah I forgot that all gays are about is sex.

/sarcasm

I feel strongly that a person isn't a homosexual until he/she acts on such an impulse. Up until that moment, he/she is but tempted.

So yes, homosexuality is about the sex and not about temptation.

 

[KCKID]

I feel strongly that a person isn't a homosexual until he/she acts on such an impulse. Up until that moment, he/she is but tempted.

So yes, homosexuality is about the sex and not about temptation.

But, once one has acted on this sexual impulse be they 'gay' or 'straight' ...what is that to you? Or God for that matter?

 

[SiderealExalt]

I feel strongly that a person isn't a homosexual until he/she acts on such an impulse. Up until that moment, he/she is but tempted.

So yes, homosexuality is about the sex and not about temptation.

You'd also be wrong. Wrong about definitions of homosexuality, AND heterosexuality for that matter.

 

[MoonLancer]

Sure I am. Of BIBLICAL, CHRIST CENTERED history. Not of man's best guess of what he thinks history is.

Christ doesn't appear in history, only the bible, so i don't know what your saying.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

I feel strongly that a person isn't a homosexual until he/she acts on such an impulse. Up until that moment, he/she is but tempted.

So yes, homosexuality is about the sex and not about temptation.

Does this also apply to heterosexuals? What of virgins who claim to be hetero-, homo-, bi-sexual -- are they not capable of stating an attraction/orientation merely because they have not actually had sex?

I have not 'acted on impulse', as you worded. I have had sex with neither a person of the opposite sex or same sex, does that somehow make me asexual? Or does that simply negate any attraction I have/had as merely temptation, and make assignment of an orientation impossible?

 

[Texas Lynn]

Does this also apply to heterosexuals? What of virgins who claim to be hetero-, homo-, bi-sexual -- are they not capable of stating an attraction/orientation merely because they have not actually had sex?

I have not 'acted on impulse', as you worded. I have had sex with neither a person of the opposite sex or same sex, does that somehow make me asexual? Or does that simply negate any attraction I have/had as merely temptation, and make assignment of an orientation impossible?

Some people agonize over "what causes homosexuality?" but in reality it is no different that "what causes heterosexuality?" Heterosexuality is not a default just because it is the orientation of the vast majority.

The sexual organ that counts is the brain.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Some people agonize over "what causes homosexuality?" but in reality it is no different that "what causes heterosexuality?" Heterosexuality is not a default just because it is the orientation of the vast majority.

The sexual organ that counts is the brain.

I agree. Very much so.

 

[LittleNipper]

But, once one has acted on this sexual impulse be they 'gay' or 'straight' ...what is that to you? Or God for that matter?

One does not have to continue to embrace such acts nor promote them. Just like with Alcoholic's Anonymous --- one runs the race one day at a time. If one makes a mistake, there is always tomorrow to try again...

 

[SiderealExalt]

One does not have to continue to embrace such acts nor promote them. Just like with Alcoholic's Anonymous --- one runs the race one day at a time. If one makes a mistake, there is always tomorrow to try again...

Stopping abusing alcohol makes sense and is abuse.Calling off your dates with Phil because your name is Tim, or dates with Susan because your name is Nancy is not abuse.