A plea for common sense

[Chi_Cygni]

Obviously many people on here disagree on a very fundamental level on the importance of Scripture with regards to science issues.

But when someone makes statements about science issues could they please at least quote the scientific viewpoint accurately.

Then at least the debate has a frame of reference cemented in fact.

Isn't it embarrassing to argue against something when you cannot even quote the thing correctly?

Statements like

Did you know that carbon dating when first used use to only date back a few thousand years. But scientists felt that was wrong so they decided carbon dating was wrong and fixed it to add millions of years. Now that they got the answer that they wanted it was correct.

have no basis in fact. Now you can take issue with radiodating and debate that but don't make flat out errors such as implying carbon dating is used for dating things in the millions of years timescales. It is not used for this.

Another favourite is the 'evolution is the creation of life from non-lfe'. Again this is not a true statement of what evolution theory is about.

Argue evolution by all means - but don't argue from a misunderstanding of what it is.

 

[Bushido216]

What really sends me into an angry tizzy is when people make absurd logical leaps. Like Alternate Carpark scoffing at you for suggesting that the Hebrews thought that the earth was 2D "because two dimensional objects cannot exist in three dimensional space" or El Elohe taking issue with you "equating justice to science".

Those leaps are inane and not supported. At all.

 

[Alternate Carpark]

For starters, Chi_Cygni, pleading for common sense to prevail in a "debating" section is asking for the impossible, although the desire for the idealogical is admired.

But you will notice that "debating" is a means to itself. You state that some people are not using common sense when debating, yet you fail to realise that the other people see you doing the same thing, hence the realm of debating is born.

And so we have the pointless and futile world that we civilised people call "Debate".
Each person thinks the other is wrong, yet LOL, it is both sides that are wrong in debating in the first place.

Secondly, Bushido216, Your uncontrollable anger obviously affects your ability to argue rationally, you ought to see about getting that looked at.
Sorry if you don't have the calm ability to ask someone why they say things, or what angle they are coming from.

And why are you in the debating section whining and complaining ? Can't you do that in private, it really lowers the social standing of debating. Not that it really had a decent one in the first place.

OBTW..His mask was just black corrugated cardboard.


"Arguing is like banging your head on a rock. All you end up with is a headache and nothing to show for it." ---Alternate Carpark 2004.

 

[Chi_Cygni]

I meant 'common sense' from the standpoint of stating factually what the other side states. Not making up a fake version of the other sides statements.

We can argue as to whether Australia or England should win the Ashes - but if I state that the Ashes are a soccer trophy that would be an error of fact to make the debate moot.

 

[Alternate Carpark]

And I quote from my rellie, PaladinValer " You missed the whole point of the post."


"Arguing is like banging your head on a rock. All you end up with is a headache and nothing to show for it." ---Alternate Carpark 2004.

 

[Bushido216]

Secondly, Bushido216, Your uncontrollable anger obviously affects your ability to argue rationally, you ought to see about getting that looked at.
Sorry if you don't have the calm ability to ask someone why they say things, or what angle they are coming from.

And why are you in the debating section whining and complaining ? Can't you do that in private, it really lowers the social standing of debating. Not that it really had a decent one in the first place.

OBTW..His mask was just black corrugated cardboard.


"Arguing is like banging your head on a rock. All you end up with is a headache and nothing to show for it." ---Alternate Carpark 2004.

I can control my anger at any time I choose. I just choose not to. The fact is that I can see your arguements just fine. They fail miserably. Whether or not I'm angry when I shred them has nothing to do with the fact that they are, inherently, wrong. My apologies.

And don't rip off my signature, hm? It's obvious and just plain ignerent.

 

[Anti-Fear]

I agree. Some people just flatly reject all logical science.
I personally think there is no science that contradicts God, I think it explains the Bible.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Mod Hat On

I agree with the premise of the OP, If people want to argue here, then at least know what you are talking about, else the other side sees you as gfnskl;dogi [JS;GNIQEGHDIO'[GJFRIOQWEWE9SD9, understand that gibberish?, didn't think so. So, unless your goal is to simply waste time, then study.........and that includes science, not just the Bible.

2Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This thread is getting too personal. Make your own arguments. Do not quote others out of context, or mangle their signatures for your own ends. If this behavior continues, warnings will be issued.

Mod Hat Off

 

[Alternate Carpark]

I totally agree with boughtwithaprice, and I'm hoping Bushido216 can contain his anger and insults as we logically discuss issues.

As for my ripping off of a sig..
I'm just creating a better sig that will reflect a more Christlike attitude rather than one that reeks of smugness, self righteousness and is not condescending.

If this offends anyone or is regarded as outside of the rules then I will gladly remove it.

My original post was in response to Karl and not Chi_Cygni as Bushido126 has wrongly stated in this thread, so there was no scoffing at him on my part.

If you are referring to my posts as gibberish, please don't. Karl asked how one can place a dome over a sphere, I logically showed it. I then stated that there are no 2 Dimensional objects in a 3 Dimensional realm.

Thus logically nullifying anyone's attempts to prove the bible speaking of a flat earth, because everyone keeps referring to scripture of the earth being a "circle".
A circle being a 2 Dimensional object( in reality it isn't). Now just because people couldn't understand my angle of logic is no grounds to get feisty and insultive like Bushido126 is it ?

I'm here for a serious and logical discussion.
I have the greatest respect for the Admin here, just ask the other one's I communicate with.


"Arguing is like banging your head on a rock. All you end up with is a headache and nothing to show for it." ---Alternate Carpark 2004.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I made an example of gibberish to demonstrate lack of communication. I was not referring to anyone's post. We are all to study so that we can further communication here. If you see that someone is misunderstanding you (that is you in the plural sense, as everyone here), then it is time to change your style of posting so that others may understand you. Consider rephrasing the message before blaming the recipient. We are not here to beat eachother up, but to communicate and learn.


This message is for all posters in this forum, not anyone in particular.

 

[Alternate Carpark]

Thankyou for clarifying your post boughtwithaprice.

And I will take your advice and try to reword my posts so as not to cause befuddlement for some people. Because it does seem that some people grossly misinterprete my posts.

 

[Bushido216]

I totally agree with boughtwithaprice, and I'm hoping Bushido216 can contain his anger and insults as we logically discuss issues.

As for my ripping off of a sig..
I'm just creating a better sig that will reflect a more Christlike attitude rather than one that reeks of smugness, self righteousness and is not condescending.

If this offends anyone or is regarded as outside of the rules then I will gladly remove it.

My original post was in response to Karl and not Chi_Cygni as Bushido126 has wrongly stated in this thread, so there was no scoffing at him on my part.

If you are referring to my posts as gibberish, please don't. Karl asked how one can place a dome over a sphere, I logically showed it. I then stated that there are no 2 Dimensional objects in a 3 Dimensional realm.

Thus logically nullifying anyone's attempts to prove the bible speaking of a flat earth, because everyone keeps referring to scripture of the earth being a "circle".
A circle being a 2 Dimensional object( in reality it isn't). Now just because people couldn't understand my angle of logic is no grounds to get feisty and insultive like Bushido126 is it ?

I'm here for a serious and logical discussion.
I have the greatest respect for the Admin here, just ask the other one's I communicate with.


"Arguing is like banging your head on a rock. All you end up with is a headache and nothing to show for it." ---Alternate Carpark 2004.

Your line of logic was flawed because, as I tried to show you (are you a native English speaker?) no one meant a literal two-dimensional object. Perhaps a better term would have been disk, but in the vernacular 2d would have been perfectly acceptable. I don't see how this is such a hard topic.

Oh, and "improving" my signature is still ripping it off.