A New Commandment

[InSpiritInTruth]

I hear all these different views on which commandments you should keep, or how should you observe this, or do that; truly there are alot of hows, whens, why's, and whats?

But Jesus gave us( a new) commandment, that would fulfill the very heart and soul of all commandments.

In John 13:34 Jesus said; "( A new) commandment I give unto you, that you( Love) one another; as I have( Loved) you, that you also( Love) one another.

Truly His yoke is easy, and His burden is light.

If the Beatles understood this, why can't Christians?

All you need is Love, Love, Love is (all) you need.

 

[virgilio]

I hear all these different views on which commandments you should keep, or how should you observe this, or do that; truly there are alot of hows, whens, why's, and whats?

But Jesus gave us( a new) commandment, that would fulfill the very heart and soul of all commandments.

In John 13:34 Jesus said; "( A new) commandment I give unto you, that you( Love) one another; as I have( Loved) you, that you also( Love) one another.

Truly His yoke is easy, and His burden is light.

If the Beatles understood this, why can't Christians?

All you need is Love, Love, Love is (all) you need.

Hello InSpiritInTruth greetings,
I agree that Jesus give the new commandment in John 13:34 but this is only refresh from Levitico 19:18 to love your neighbor as thyself and Romans 13:9-10 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not
kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there any commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. v.10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Beside this Jesus knowing that th time of his persecution is near he commanded his disciples to prepare the room for celebration of Passoverwhere they would do the Last Supper.

As a preparation for making the last testimony or last will that will be effective in the New Covenant and knowing that a testimony is of force if the testator died and it is of no force while the testator liveth. He then in a hyperbole, took bread as a substitution for his body, break it and said, Take , eat, this is my body which is broken for you , do this in remembrance of me 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 And after this manner he also took the cup and supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. v. 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Hebrews 10:8-9, Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sins thou wouldest not, neither hast pleasure therein; which are offered by law; v.10 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

This is the hyperbole of the body of Jesus that negates the law of sacrifices done in old covenant. Hebrews 10:4-7 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. v. herefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:v.6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin tou hast had no pleasure. v.7 Then said I, Lo, I come (i the volume of book it is written of me) to do thy will, O God.

A true believer must know this new commandment, lest we are still under the old covenant, and the Light of the Lord has not yet shine in our hearts.

your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[from scratch]

Hello InSpiritInTruth greetings,
I agree that Jesus give the new commandment in John 13:34 but this is only refresh from Levitico 19:18 to love your neighbor as thyself and Romans 13:9-10 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not
kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there any commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. v.10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Question: If God (Jesus) said it is a new (kainos) commandment how can it be a refreshing of an old one? Doesn't God (Jesus) know what He is doing?

Secondly how does one agree then presents something else?

Just very curious.

 

[virgilio]

Question: If God (Jesus) said it is a new (kainos) commandment how can it be a refreshing of an old one? Doesn't God (Jesus) know what He is doing?

virgilio wrote:
Yes, the new one refreshes the old one by rewriting the same commandment;
1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment, which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Jesus know what he is doing, man misunderstand his word.

I said the new refreshes the old because it was already commanded in the Old Testament, Leviticus 19:18 to love your neighbor as thyself and Romans 13:9-10 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not
kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet; and if there any commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, v.10 Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

scratch wrote:
Secondly how does one agree then presents something else?
Just very curious.

virgilio wrote:
I agree because it was written in John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another, as I have love you, that you also love one another; the something else that I present is the old commandment, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Leviticus 19:18

Hope this help.Peace and Grace.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[heymikey80]

Question: If God (Jesus) said it is a new (kainos) commandment how can it be a refreshing of an old one? Doesn't God (Jesus) know what He is doing?

Secondly how does one agree then presents something else?

Just very curious.

Jesus was familiar with the two greatest commandments -- "the second is like it [the first]: you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

I can't say directly as to why this is a new command, but I would think it may have something to do with the commands Jesus has emphasized before to His disciples.

 

[virgilio]

Jesus was familiar with the two greatest commandments -- "the second is like it [the first]: you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

I can't say directly as to why this is a new command, but I would think it may have something to do with the commands Jesus has emphasized before to His disciples.

heymikey80 greetings;

If we are talking about if what is the first and great commandments which Jesus ask the tax collector it pertain to the 10 commandments given under
OT to Love God with all whole your hearts, with whole mind and with whole your soul and the second is to love thy neighbor as thyself.

It became a new commandment because the 10 laws was fulfil by this two.
Romans 13: 8-10 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

v.9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet: and if there any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

v. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God Bless.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[heymikey80]

heymikey80 greetings;

If we are talking about if what is the first and great commandments which Jesus ask the tax collector it pertain to the 10 commandments given under
OT to Love God with all whole your hearts, with whole mind and with whole your soul and the second is to love thy neighbor as thyself.

It became a new commandment because the 10 laws was fulfil by this two.
Romans 13: 8-10 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

v.9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet: and if there any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

v. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God Bless.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

Well, the way Jesus put it, the two greatest commandments always formed the source of the Ten Commandments. So the two greatest commandments were not new, because they always fulfilled the Ten.

 

[virgilio]

Well, the way Jesus put it, the two greatest commandments always formed the source of the Ten Commandments. So the two greatest commandments were not new, because they always fulfilled the Ten.

Well, I think what you have read is my last post and I would like to respectfully request you to re read my first post #2 dated Aug.26 in this thread which answered in compliance of the topic "new Commandment".

Thank you and God bless.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[heymikey80]

Well, I think what you have read is my last post and I would like to respectfully request you to re read my first post #2 dated Aug.26 in this thread which answered in compliance of the topic "new Commandment".

Well, I think what you have read is my last post and I would like to respectfully request you to re read my first post #5 in this thread which answered in compliance of the topic "new Commandment".

 

[virgilio]

Jesus was familiar with the two greatest commandments -- "the second is like it [the first]: you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

I can't say directly as to why this is a new command, but I would think it may have something to do with the commands Jesus has emphasized before to His disciples.

hello mickey greetings,
well, we all know that it was said to be the greatest commandment, this are already been given from OT and continually in effect up to present ages.

If this is the reason why the Son of God come here on earth and sacrifice his life and suffer many endurance, humility and died just to preach this commandments, so his suffering was in vain.

But he comes here to offer his self as an offering like a sacrificial " lamb"
to abolish the ceremonial law of bulls and goats blood offering which in the past OT was used as atonement for our sins and soul.

And he gave the new commandments in the night of Passover during " Last Supper"; by breaking bread and drinking wine as a symbolic substitute for his flesh and blood to be sacrifice for the sin of the world.

The divine offerings made by Lord Jesus Christ supersedes the ceremonial offering in OT and commanded us "do this in remembrance of me."

Thank you and God bless.
your brother in Christ.

 

[virgilio]

In fact that there is no new quote I decide to explain my position about this topic. The original author of this OP I think is incline to share his view about the new commandment so, I hereby want to share my own insight about the new commandment in the New Covenant.

Generally all religious dominion practiced Eucharist in different perspective. Some used the “open table” communion wherein everyone is allowed to partake or share in taking of bread and drink wine.

Others preferred “close table” wherein a baptized member could only participate and outsider or a non member of congregation is not entitled to have share in “Eucharist” as related to Matthew 7:6 Not to give which is holy to unholy, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Here is Paul commentary about the transubstantiation that church practiced. 1 Corinthians 10:14-21

Wherefore my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. I speak to wise men; judge ye what I say, The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we brake, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
What say I then? That the idol is anything, or that which are offered in sacrifice to idol is any thing?
But I say, hat the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils and not to God: and I would not that you should have fellowship with the devils.
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of the devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and he table of the devils. ( this means that the Lord’s Supper must not be taken literally or be interpret factually but spiritually metaphor.)

Let us leave the church view of Eucharist and look at spiritual perspective of LORD’s SUPPER in with allusion in the Scripture.
The Lord’s Prayer, which is in Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke 11:2-5, is appropriate at this point, because it asks for forgiveness and our daily bread, which is Jesus, the bread of life.
Our Father which are in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. GIVE US OUR DAILY BREAD.
Jesus said in John 6:27 Labor not for the meat that perisheth, but for the meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him that God the Father sealed.
John 6:50-51 I am the bread of life. This is bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
John 6:56-57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father, so, he that eateth of this bread, even he shall live by me.
It means by eating the bread (body) is in union with the body of our Lord Jesus Christ.) emphasis mine.

(How it become a new commandment will be explain on next post because of character limitation.)

Holy, holy,Holy Lord God of power and might—Heaven and earth are full of your glory,
Hosanna in the highest! Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!
Hosanna in the highest!

Thank you and God bless.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[meinabox]

InSpirit...

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

God has a purpose and time for everything and everyone.

Some Christians don't see it because we are ALL imperfect and have our own God-given time to see it

this also reminds me of

Imagine - John Lennon - YouTube

I love this song but what he's singing about IS definitely heaven...

 

[virgilio]

well,That is good Christian perspective but we must first hear the voice of the Father; it is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught by God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Thank you and God bless.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Virgilio, good insights into the deeper spiritual meaning of the blood and body of Christ, which Body we are of if we abide in him.

What you saw was how the natural law was transformed in a new and spiritual way. The Lord first shows things in the natural, so we might see that which is to come in the spiritual. That is why Paul said the Law was just a shadow of things to come, but not the very image.

That is also why Jesus said I came not to abolish the law and prophets, but to fulfill. Showing us how the natural law is transformed into spiritual prophesy by way of the Holy Spirit.

This New Spiritual law, and this New commandment Jesus spoke of was of the old letter of the law, but it was made New in us in a living way through the resurrection of Christ, by way of the Holy Spirit.

That is why Jesus said New wine must be put in New wine skins in order to preserve both.

Our old naturally minded man(vessel) could not recieve this New wine, because the New wine is spiritual, and we are first carnal. But when we are born again of the Holy Spirit, we are then able to recieve this New Spiritual Wine by being made a new creature in Jesus Christ.

This New wine (covenant) is not of the old letter which kills, but of the Spirit which gives life.

It is written greater love has no man than this, than he who would give his life for another. As Jesus gave his life for us, we also give our life for others, by doing not our own will, but the will of the Father.

We must be willing like Jesus to present our lives a living sacrifice before God, holy and acceptable in his sight. Therein we see the Love of Christ working in us, not to fulfill our own will, but the will of the Father that has called us through his Son.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Meinabox, I also like alot of the Beatles music, but I was just using the song as an example to show the simplicity of the Spirit in Christ, which is Love.

I don't know that the Beatles even believed in Jesus, but the ideas they had based on Love is the very foundation of the Christian faith.

Even still, they did have a great gift of making music. Peace.

 

[meinabox]

good. i agree with you; I was just reminded of "Imagine" because he emphasized to not believe in heaven and you said that the beatles understood it (love)... god uses the bad for the benefit of the good...I do like the music, too, the ones that emphasize love, and it's nice that one can see the goodness through the fog, even though he sort of kind of wishes nobody believed in heaven...(at least, before I started seeking God that's what I originally thought; it terribly confused me because I so loved the beatles...)

know what I mean?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I hear what your saying, even though there are many who profess love, it is only by the Love of God working in us that we can apply true Love in our lives.

Just as there many religions that are based on love, but they lack the relationship of true love between themselves and their Creator.

Most people whether good or evil will tell you that love is good, and hate is evil. But when it comes to living it in their lives, often times you will see they will fall short of that which they profess.

For many love is an outward expression carried out from time to time. But in Christ the love of God is revealed to us in our hearts and minds by way of God's Spirit. It is this inward Spirit of Love given to us by God that gives us the ability to even love those who hate us. Not many are able to manifest that sort of love.

 

[meinabox]

I hear what your saying, even though there are many who profess love, it is only by the Love of God working in us that we can apply true Love in our lives.

Just as there many religions that are based on love, but they lack the relationship of true love between themselves and their Creator.

Most people whether good or evil will tell you that love is good, and hate is evil. But when it comes to living it in their lives, often times you will see they will fall short of that which they profess.

For many love is an outward expression carried out from time to time. But in Christ the love of God is revealed to us in our hearts and minds by way of God's Spirit. It is this inward Spirit of Love given to us by God that gives us the ability to even love those who hate us. Not many are able to manifest that sort of love.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:44

 

[from scratch]

Hope this help.Peace and Grace.
your brother in Christ.
virgilio

I said Jesus said a new (kainos) commandment.

You replied no Jesus quoted an old one.

I still ask if Jesus knew what He was doing.

Your answer to me implies that God (Jesus) lied or Jesus isn't God. Which do you wish to defend?

 

[from scratch]

hello mickey greetings,
well, we all know that it was said to be the greatest commandment, this are already been given from OT and continually in effect up to present ages.

If this is the reason why the Son of God come here on earth and sacrifice his life and suffer many endurance, humility and died just to preach this commandments, so his suffering was in vain.

But he comes here to offer his self as an offering like a sacrificial " lamb"
to abolish the ceremonial law of bulls and goats blood offering which in the past OT was used as atonement for our sins and soul.

And he gave the new commandments in the night of Passover during " Last Supper"; by breaking bread and drinking wine as a symbolic substitute for his flesh and blood to be sacrifice for the sin of the world.

The divine offerings made by Lord Jesus Christ supersedes the ceremonial offering in OT and commanded us "do this in remembrance of me."

Thank you and God bless.
your brother in Christ.

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