A new CF, an old vision (3)

[Lindon Tinuviel]

And to hell with them. It's not like those types are a majoriy, nor do they contribute anything to this community besides malice and discord.

Those are exactly the types this site can do without, and needs to do without if Erwin ever wishes to unite anything more than the modern day pharases.

Kinda lost here, to tell you the truth, Cerberus2.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

And to hell with them. It's not like those types are a majoriy, nor do they contribute anything to this community besides malice and discord.

Those are exactly the types this site can do without, and needs to do without if Erwin ever wishes to unite anything more than the modern day pharases.

wow...that was harsh...

Like the poster above me said, I don't know how to respond to that.

 

[Beastt]

And to hell with them. It's not like those types are a majoriy, nor do they contribute anything to this community besides malice and discord.

Those are exactly the types this site can do without, and needs to do without if Erwin ever wishes to unite anything more than the modern day pharases.

With nightfall the flames have died a bit.

But it's to be expected that there will be an occasional flare-up.

I say, "go ahead and vent". The only one you can possibly harm is yourself.

 

[RuthD]

"Can't we all just get along?"

 

[Beastt]

"Can't we all just get along?"

$$ How much are you offering? $$

 

[RuthD]

Peace which is priceless.

 

[snoopy500]

hi ruth

 

[snoopy500]

did you hear that erwin is chaging the fourms?

 

[Fireinfolding]

I don't know that I agree with that.

I mean, I like the new proposed policies, but I also think that there are a lot of good-hearted, well-intentioned people who have left, or who will leave, because their consciences simply won't allow them to stay.

I urge, and in the strongest possible terms, that an Us v. Them or Faithful v. Traitor mentality be discouraged.

I agree with you. Besides the analogy didnt work. Those who live to antagonize will find the table plentiful to remain not depart. Those who dont desire to take part in a table of provocation and debate will leave.

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[Rochir]

Are these changes for real?

 

[*Starlight*]

Hi

I've been reading this thread and noticed one thing... The people who seem to be the most against these new changes are those who happen to perfectly fit in the old rules. But not everyone is like that, and the old rules are quite unfair to many members. There are Christians who aren't allowed in the Christian only section, Christians who are allowed there but can't discuss some of their beliefs, there are married people who aren't allowed to display the marriage icon, people aren't allowed to become mods if they don't have the "right" beliefs or sexual orientation... and these are just a few examples. So, even if you personally weren't hurt in any way by the unfairness of the old rules, please understand that not everyone was as lucky as you. The changes announced by Erwin won't hurt you in any way, and they will hopefully remove the unfairness which hurts other members... that's something good, not bad.

did you hear that erwin is chaging the fourms?

Wow, really?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Are these changes for real?

No they are fake

Whats it matter really? Theres so much bickering here you will hardly notice the difference

 

[seekingmyLord]

It wasn't pure assumption. It was based very heavily on what you've been claiming here. You're standing up for people who have been practicing oppression and feeling sorry for them. You've attempted to justify this by telling us what others are going to do, even though the mechanisms which allowed what you're predicting no longer exist.

So the conclusion seems rather obvious. I just spelled it out. If I'm wrong you're welcome to demonstrate how I'm wrong.


You made an assertion I felt was incorrect. So I not only told you that I believed it was incorrect, I presented examples. You've been speaking your mind here but when I speak mine, you suddenly have a problem with it and wish to classify it as "off topic", even though the examples were in direct relation to the assertion I was demonstrating to be incorrect. This is one of the problems with the whole "derailing" rule. It's fine to not wish to lose the general overall idea of a thread. But too many attempt to use such a rule to erase examples they can't refute.


If you think I've tried to thrust any particular kind of responsibility upon you, I invite you to cut and paste the specific text. I've done no such thing nor have I suggested that you weren't showing responsibility. This is just you presenting your ideas and me presenting mine. The difference is that you keep trying to fall back to old fail-safe methods like claiming I'm trying to impose my "brand" of responsibility on you when I've done no such thing or making allegations of violating the topic when no such thing has occurred.


You forget, the old systems aren't going to be in place much longer. Many of them seem to be melting as this series of threads progress. You can't oppress my thoughts through the key phrase "off topic" the way you used to. When the new rules are drafted, it's very likely that someone will have to demonstrate that the post was actually off topic.

I'm not trying to oppress you. I'm just discussing things with you. You don't seem to care for that so you turn back to the old system of oppressing what you can't refute. You have an opinion and I have an opinion. You're expressing yours and I don't see you implying that you shouldn't be doing so. But when I present mine, suddenly you're suggesting I'm trying to oppress you when nothing of the sort is occurring. If you decide to discontinue the discussion, by all means, feel free. But please don't make invalid and unsupportable accusations in the hope of regulating my right to present my opinions.

Amazing. Just because I care about all my fellow Christians, not just an approved group of them by another's standards, but even the least of them, who may be less tolerant and less tolerable, I am one of them.

If that works for you.... My Lord was also intolerable to some and loved by others, and he still loved them one and all.

 

[Speculative]

Hi Erwin,

I just wanted to add my two cents here as a long-time lurker, short-time poster.

Everything you suggest looks good to me. Frankly, I just want to be able to come to a place where a lot of interesting people are saying a lot of interesting things in a family-friendly kind of environment. I think this place will continue to be that, in the future. Just keep doing your thing, brother, and God Bless you

I do want to make a request on the tech side, however. Some of us are still on....um....rather slow internet connections. I have high speed at work but not at home. I'd just ask that you keep this in mind if you're planning on adding a lot of video intensive new features. If you're doing that, please consider an option for those of us on slower connections to turn those off so we can still enjoy the "meat" of the site. I know you're doing that already with the site as it is now, and I'm just asking that you continue.

Thanks, man. You're doing a great job. May God strengthen, encourage and bless you as you work through all these changes.

Oh, and sorry if this has already been brought up. I admit I haven't read all three (that I know of) threads on this and wanted to post this before I forgot

 

[Ginny]

Guess that British woman that married a dolphin can get the wedding ring icon she's always wanted.

Thank you, Erwin.

 

[RuthD]

did you hear that erwin is chaging the fourms?

Yes, I read the post by Erwin.

 

[RuthD]

hi ruth

Hi there!

 

[ScottishJohn]

I believe Erwin has the best of intentions with this concept, unfortunately he's not been around and involved with CF, so he really doesn't understand the ramifications of this reform.

Speaking as a former Debate forums administrator, I can tell you opening up that kind of influence forum wide as the strong potential to create mayhem.

I think that the fact that Erwin has finally taken this course of action, one that has been overdue for a long time, shows that he is fully on the ball in relation to the situation on the ground in CF. As for understanding the ramifications, that is always going to be difficult, and with the greatest of respect I don't think any of us can accurately predict the outcome of a batch of reforms which are not yet fully detailed. A lot will depend on how we as Christians choose to behave, and if the behavior on this thread is anything to go by, then it will be the Christians creating mayhem because they are grumpy about losing their 'safe haven' which they shouldn't be looking for in the first place.

You of all people are well aware of the incivility in the OPEN forums. Now think of expanding that for the entire site!

To be honest Suzy i see far more unpleasantness coming from the Christian side of the fence in the open forums, than I do from the non Christian side. Some of our brothers and sisters in Christ need to learn to interact with people who disagree with them without attacking them.

If we wanted to we could make any system work, the problem is that there are some who want to be allowed to insult others and have the rules as a barricade to hide behind. We're all supposed to be a bit more grown up than that.

Imagine a situation where Christians here were being attacked by non Christians, now imagine that they respond biblically. In return for curses they hand out blessings.

Where is the problem?

 

[*Starlight*]

Guess that British woman that married a dolphin can get the wedding ring icon she's always wanted.

Thank you, Erwin.

It's better than having a definition of marriage on CF, which was a rather ridiculous idea, because there are marriages outside that definition...

 

[Ginny]

Do you mean for homosexuals, people that "shack up" and those that .........marry dolphins?