A new CF, an old vision (3)

[porterross]

The "devil" is too overrated.

According to some here, calling themselves Christian no less, he doesn't even exist. Christ have mercy upon us.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

I've read every post and I think your seeing things. I;ve seen no hatred. I've seen disappointment, disallusionment, surprise but the only animosity is coming from some of the supporters of the change.

You have got to be kidding. In fact I know you haven't read every post. There are straight up flames of non-Christians all over the place in these threads. Horrible accusations being made. The most the supporters are doing is trying to remind people to loving. Sure there are snippy remarks on both sides but the true venom is coming from those who oppose the change. Claims of giving in to liberalism, letting demons in, claims of armies of atheists going to overrun the forums and so on.

 

[abigale]

Tonks, did you not take your job as a moderator seriously? I'm certain you did, and felt what you did was a very important part of these forums. Why do you now feel it is ok to violate the very rules you spent so long enforcing?

I posted this elsewhere, but I think it needs to be somewhere where more can see it. This is offered as compassionate advice and not a rebuke. I cannot stop you from violating the agreement you made to uphold the rules of these forums, but I can suggest that it is a bad idea.

dogood, if he's violating them then so are you. His defence isn't a matter of your opinion on whether it;'s right or wrong. Don't dismiss what you don't understand.

 

[Alice the Sister]

I do show God's love and interact with many unbelievers. There is a difference in interacting and being yoked together with them.
Read it again dear.

Nothing...just that girls don't poop.

I know there's a difference. I was basically just saying, "I'm glad that you feel that way."

 

[RuthD]

I am looking forward to what this new CF will be like. I'm not guessing what it will be like. I am waiting to see.

 

[porterross]

I may use the brain and the spirit after this.

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You're a nutter...in a fun way.

 

[abigale]

You have got to be kidding. In fact I know you haven't read every post. There are straight up flames of non-Christians all over the place in these threads. Horrible accusations being made. The most the supporters are doing is trying to remind people to loving. Sure there are snippy remarks on both sides but the true venom is coming from those who oppose the change. Claims of giving in to liberalism, letting demons in, claims of armies of atheists going to overrun the forums and so on.

Yopur wrong. They are crying and no compassion is being given but to put them down from the "winning" side. Would you still be saying that without the cushy new job?

 

[seekingmyLord]

If you believe in God then you likely believe God created all of the physical. And all of the physical seeks a balance. Fill a bowl with water and set it abruptly on the counter. What happens? The water transitions back and forth, sloshing less and less with each transition until it finds a balance. A rock rolling from the top of a hill does the same thing. Everything in life seeks a balance. You can see that as God or simply the nature of the universe. Either way, balance is inherent.

I think it is more accurate to say that nature constantly seeks balance, but rarely attains it. If attained, it is not maintained but for a brief time.

Speaking for myself; I spend most of my time in the General Apologetics section and that isn't likely to change. The one thing I've never understood is how anyone could find any satisfaction in presenting a pro-Christian position while knowing that all of the non-Christians effectively had one (or both) hands tied behind their backs. I can assure you that I debate for the purpose of standing toe-to-toe with those of dissimilar beliefs. There is no satisfaction to be had in gagging an opponent and then winning the debate by means of handicapping the opposition -- not for me.

Not everyone comes to these forums for the purpose of debating. I debate on other boards. I came here for fellowship and restoration.

I didn't read anything in the outline which suggests that any member will have the power to push other members out. If we have a personal concern regarding placing an individual in a position of authority, we simply don't vote for them. We can try to reason out our differences but we should do so knowing that the fruits of such a process will be limited. The rest is left up to the selection process which, for the first time, isn't a small group of the "elite" choosing only those they believe fit their personal profile for members of staff. That kind of "crony-ism" never leads to anything but a dictatorial few, misusing their authority against the populace. Let the members choose what they want. We can't all have everything we want, but this is far better than a small percentage herding the majority about like... like a herd of kept animals.

The power of pushing people out is in the wording of the new policy--why else would some people be posting farewells due to the policy change?--and those who are empowered by it will be the oppressors.

 

[abigale]

I am looking forward to what this new CF will be like. I'm not guessing what it will be like. I am waiting to see.

Yep, you be the scales.

 

[Beastt]

So now you see my point. In all seriousness, that's not the real reason. I just think the faith icons were and still are a great idea.

I wouldn't be opposed to retaining the faith icons. I think it tells you something about the person whose posts you may be reading which might be less than apparent in the posts themselves. That said, I can also see how it might be the source of a few problems. Once the forum has had a chance to re-form and settle, perhaps the membership will decide we want them back. That's the beauty of the new system.

 

[JoyforJESUS]

I am looking forward to what this new CF will be like. I'm not guessing what it will be like. I am waiting to see.

Me too Ruth Me Too!

 

[RuthD]

Yopur wrong. They are crying and no compassion is being given but to put them down from the "winning" side. Would you still be saying that without the cushy new job?

Maybe the ones who are for the change are hurting from what the others are saying, too.

 

[BeautifullyImperfect]

Everyone PLEASE.

Our bickering and being rude to one another is exactly how satan wants us to respond!!!

Why must we always question each other's intentions?

Why must we pick apart every single word that someone says??

God have mercy on us, we're all hypocrites.

 

[Alice the Sister]

If we wanted to really keep the faith icons I'm sure there would be a reasonable appeal kind of thing we could do to get them back.

Personally, I'd like to be able to upload your own faith icon and type in your own "faith"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by EdmundBlackadderTheThird
You have got to be kidding. In fact I know you haven't read every post. There are straight up flames of non-Christians all over the place in these threads. Horrible accusations being made. The most the supporters are doing is trying to remind people to loving. Sure there are snippy remarks on both sides but the true venom is coming from those who oppose the change. Claims of giving in to liberalism, letting demons in, claims of armies of atheists going to overrun the forums and so on.

Reve 9:1 And the 5th messager sounds a trumpet, and I perceive a Star out of the heaven, having fallen into/to the land , and was given to him the key of the well/pit of the Abyss, 2 and he opens up the well/pit of the abyss, and did ascend smoke out of the well/pit, as smoke of great furnace, and is darkened the sun and the air, out of the smoke of the well/pit. 3 And out of the smoke came out locusts into the land,

 

[RuthD]

Yep, you be the scales.

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[Ramona]

What you know or don't know isn't the issue, but rather what put forth here as your beliefs. I don't pretend to read minds, but it's easy to recognize when someone tries to make things about personal prejudice by attributing motivations to those who disagree with them.

We could get into a debate about that, but this isn't the place.

Pointing out the facts of your situation as you explained yourself from a Scriptural perspective is not demeaning. It's fact.

You're going to be at my church tomorrow? Awesome!

It was brought to my attention that what I said there was over-sensitive and myopic. My apologies for that. My gut reaction does get it wrong at times.

Why would what I expect matter if you honestly believe I hate you? I don't hate anyone here, except the devil and if my posts repel the devil or those who would do his bidding here, God's will be done.

No, nooooooo. I really don't believe you hate me. That would be silly to believe and when one person from this forum told me she hated me for real I was kinda shocked. How anyone can hate someone based on posts on a message board is beyond me. I never thought you did.

However, from reading that quoted paragraph I feel like you're comparing me to Satan - the ultimate evil in the Christian religion - and that makes me kinda sad.

I am well aware of the fact that I tend to come off as abrasive online but 99% of the time I really mean no harm.

 

[abigale]

I wouldn't be opposed to retaining the faith icons. I think it tells you something about the person whose posts you may be reading which might be less than apparent in the posts themselves. That said, I can also see how it might be the source of a few problems. Once the forum has had a chance to re-form and settle, perhaps the membership will decide we want them back. That's the beauty of the new system.

At least with a faith icon the user can't say just anything but has to remain in a certain belief system.

 

[MrJim]

Babes in Christ or even seekers who come here to find out what Christianity is and can be led astray.

This is what they're after~saving the seekers and others from the "chains of legalism" and freeing their minds.

We are the enemy of these lost folks and the new reign of liberty and tolerance will usher in a golden age of enlightenment upon these souls...can I get an amen...we don't need rules and we don't need doctrine...we don't even need a bible..we only need Jeeezus and love and whatever you think Jeeezus is will be TRUE for YOU...hallelujah brotherz and sisterz and those undecided inbetweeners...bring all your beliefs and feelings here to be baptized into these Christian Forums...we don't care if you are married to a man, a woman or a goat-you are married if you says you are married praise Jeeeezus. Are you a Christian Witch or a Christian Muslim or a Christian Druid or a Christian Pagan? Do ya believe God is in the rocks and bushes? Praise the rocks and bushes for they are your GOD and we're fine with that and give us some more time and maybe they'll be our GOD too. Don't believe GOD but want to be a Christian anyway-we can accomodate you too at no extra charge, though love offerings are always welcome. Voting for Truth daily, come early and come often

 

[Goodchild]

Goodchild, I have been watching what I have been posting very carefully. Even Jesus got angry and I am right now along with many others.
I don't know who you are referring to about hatred, but me disagreeing with the "so called" vision for this site is in your view hatred...then what can I say? It's not.
But an absolute frustration and not supporting this plan at all.
I didn't say you were sickening. I don't know where you are getting this stuff at unless you are purposely convoluting my posts.

When you say such things as "imagine one of them moderating ... sickening", that is hatred Miracle. You described us as things. And that the idea of one of us telling you when you've done wrong is sickening to you.

I've read every post and I think your seeing things. I;ve seen no hatred. I've seen disappointment, disallusionment, surprise but the only animosity is coming from some of the supporters of the change.

Look around the forums a bit more abigale. Here's a sample of what christians are saying on CF today.

Erwin caved to the liberal whining ass element around here...expected better.

WHEE, now the gays and babykillers can post their crap anywhere.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ,9, 10

The libs lost a lot of battles but won the war~congrats to ya.

Non-Christians are not a part of God's redeemed people, and we should be settling matters ourselves instead of bringing our cases before pagans. Already I can think of many atheists who would be eager to become moderators simply for the pleasure of destroying our fellowship.

I am concerned that aethiests will bombard our forum and try to deconverrt people.

Celebrate that Erwin caved to the liberal element~the liberals won and Christianity lost.

Yes Erwin HAS left his theology at the door dear heart. He is going directly against Scripture. This is not to be trusted and no "good" will come of it in the long run. He has removed the lines. What illusion we had of trust or safety when talking to "fellow Christians" is gone. Our mouths have been taped, our hands tied, and the wolves given the keys.

Reading the new changes being put into place, there is no way I will can stay here without sinnning against God by way of scandal.

The elimination of faith icons and allowing non-believers in here along with CFs promotion of the Roman Roads way to salvation.

But the kicker is CF becoming promosexual by acknowledging gay marriage.

This is relativism and scandal out of control.

I must say that I will be VERY mad if they allow non believers to post in all forums. Oh my goodness.. Can you imagine how many muslims will raid here trying to change our faith? Ugh.

THis will be a morass of secular liberal thought only because they will begin to outnumber us as soon as the word gets around that they have a free hand in here. It will be more of an argument forum than a witnessing forum. They'll increase in strength till they make the rules and have all the mod positions.

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That is just a very small sampling. Doesn't this disturb you? Do you think all the non-christians here that are reading such things are looking at it and thinking "Wow, that's what I want to be a part of, something that makes people think like that!"?

We are being described as no better than animals in some parts of these forums (not that that didn't happen before anyway). And yet still, here are many of us in this very thread saying to you: "We're not going to take over. We look forward to talking to you and sharing with you." and in return we are being told "Go away, you're not wanted here". Is that the Great Commission?