A new CF, an old vision (3)

[DeepGullet]

In your anger, do not sin.
You can be so right that you are wrong.
Don't allow your orthodoxy to gobble up your orthopraxy.

 

[HELENz]

Here's my opinion that I posted on the Christian Teen section, along with opinions from others which help explain mine!

A great part of the Christian forums was the ability to discuss faith with other Christians. There is a section we can discuss things with non-Christians too. I don't see how having a specific section for Christians is discriminatory. It is a CHRISTIAN forum after all. That is it's main purpose. Or should be.

Please don't imply that because some of us are against these changes we are against including non-Christians.

Also, all the mods have put in a LOT of hard work most of which goes unseen by the majority of members. Voting them out isn't much of a thank you now is it.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. Unfortunately, I may be one of few who do. This is was the first place online where I really found a good community of Christians. A lot of the places that are "Christian forums" I had found before this place had been bombarded by non-Christians posting stuff that wasn't helpful in helping me grow in my faith. There wasn't a lot of fellowshipping going on, at all. This place wasn't like that... I have fear that CF may end up like that, and it scares me.

That being said, during the "old" CF were non-Christians really that persecuted?? I mean it seems to me like they are pretty accepted here! They're fully allowed to join aren't they? And there IS places for them to post, right? I mean sure, they're not allowed to post in certain parts, but I think that Christians need a place to post where they're only going to get answers from Christians... NoQuestion said it best, when she said:

Exactly. No one sees anything wrong with the forums that are for only Athiests and Agnostics and other non-believers. So why is it always discrimination when we have forums for just Christians? It's easier to discuss things when we have other people with most of the same goals, boundaries, and beliefs to discuss them with.

I totally agree... I was Agnostic for a while, and I was part of several of these forums, and Christians pretty much left us to our own devices. Is it really that much for us to ask that we get the same kind of place? But whatever. Maybe this won't be bad.

That's just my two cents, so feel free to disagree.

 

[CaDan]

Of course those that have a liberal view of what it means to be a Christian, regardless of what the Word of God teaches, will be elated. The Nicene Creed is simple.basic.Christian. principle.

One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?

One Baptism for the remission of sins?

Simple and basic? I fear not.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

In your anger, do not sin.
You can be so right that you are wrong.
Don't allow your orthodoxy to gobble up your orthopraxy.

Also don't get so stuffy you can't take a joke (albeit a bad one)

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

A spade is a spade.

We are all allowed to have our own opinion.

Confusion begins when people put their faith in MAN (as in a webmaster) instead of God and what His Word says . This is a prime example.

The simple basic doctrines of Christianity are being thrown out the window to appease the majority of the people on this forum.....

I can believe I am married to an amoeba and, SHAZAM!!!!, I get a "married" icon. All safehouse locks, political and spiritual, are being thrown out the window and mass chaos is now being allowed.

Of course those that have a liberal view of what it means to be a Christian, regardless of what the Word of God teaches, will be elated. The Nicene Creed is simple.basic.Christian. principle.

So who you gonna be angry at? God's word for being different than this new direction? Or that the new direction does not line up with the Word of God?

It is what it is....so have at it.

Not one in opposition has offered how this direction goes against the word of God. I see a lot of people complaining about safety being removed but nowhere in scripture are we told to gather safely. We are, in fact, told to be in the world. I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word. I also don't believe the NC is necessary at all. We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it. It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.

Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed. In fact it states the rules will be simplified and the congregational forums, and other forums, will be able to vote on their own rules. This is not chaos at all. It seems that you are speaking from ignorance as to what is happening. Where in Erwin's post does he assert that the forum will be lawless and without rules?

We are told to love one another and we are told the definition of love. You can couch your words however you want but they are not kind in the least. They are not patient. They are not loving which we, as Christians, are instructed to be. You are welcome to your words and thoughts but as Christians we are called to correct wrongs when we see them. If you want to try and define your words as loving in any sense that is up to you. I will point out hypocrisy where I see it and do so in the kindest manner possible. I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness. The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast. Lucky for the whole of the body something is being done.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

God is love and the lifeline of the tree of which we are branches. W/o love we are nothing and can do nothing (ie:all is in vain) All comes to motives= His or yours?

As Christians, our hearts should have holy motives to serve God through the Holy Spirit. If we do that, we will be motivated to fellowship and serve with other Christians without reservations. A person without having the Holy Spirit in the heart will not understand God therefore a person will define God by their doctrines rather than the Holy Spirit's conviction.

 

[Ginny]

One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church??

CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.

Even the demons believe and shudder.

I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

A few people figured out who I am so far... slowly getting there. LOL

 

[CaDan]

But have we any reason to suppose that human consciousness today has achieved so high a degree of richness and perfection that it can derive nothing more from the sap of the earth? Again we may turn to history for an answer. Let us suppose, for example, that the strivings and the progress of civilisation had come to an end at the time of Buddha, or in the first centuries of the Christian era. Can we believe that nothing essential, of vision and action and love, would have been lost to the Spirit of the Earth? Clearly we cannot. And this simple observation alone suffices to guide our decision. So long as a fruit continues to grow and ripen we refrain from picking it. In the same way, so long as the world around us continues, even in suffering and disorder, to yield a harvest of problems, ideas and new forces, it is a sign that we must continue forward in the conquest of matter. Any immediate withdrawal from a world of which the burden grows heavier every day is denied to us, because it would be certainly be premature.​

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, SJ ~ The Future of Man

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.

Even the demons believe and shudder.

I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.

CF changes the creed for its own use. Look at the footnotes on baptism. It is not the Nicene Creed in use here but a modified version with footnotes to allow specific groups and exclude others. The Nicene Creed is not the word of God.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Not one in opposition has offered how this direction goes against the word of God. I see a lot of people complaining about safety being removed but nowhere in scripture are we told to gather safely. We are, in fact, told to be in the world. I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word. I also don't believe the NC is necessary at all. We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it. It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.

Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed. In fact it states the rules will be simplified and the congregational forums, and other forums, will be able to vote on their own rules. This is not chaos at all. It seems that you are speaking from ignorance as to what is happening. Where in Erwin's post does he assert that the forum will be lawless and without rules?

We are told to love one another and we are told the definition of love. You can couch your words however you want but they are not kind in the least. They are not patient. They are not loving which we, as Christians, are instructed to be. You are welcome to your words and thoughts but as Christians we are called to correct wrongs when we see them. If you want to try and define your words as loving in any sense that is up to you. I will point out hypocrisy where I see it and do so in the kindest manner possible. I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness. The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast. Lucky for the whole of the body something is being done.

I think we can and must voice our opinions while all is up in the air, to not vioce them is wrong. When all is said and done would be a good time to button it but as David did all he could while the baby still might have life, we must do our part, when it's dead and buried then is the time to carry on.

 

[Ramona]

Christ didn't come to allow people to remain comfortable in their sinful lives. If you think He came with the intent of those who followed Him learning to tolerate those who oppose Him, you know very little of His purpose.

Um, did you actually read my post? Because that's not what I said, at all. But really, thanks for telling me what I know about and what I don't. Likewise, if you think Christ came to give you license to hate whomever you want, whenever you want, for whatever reason you want, then YOU know very little of his purpose.

You have chosen to lose your salvation at this point.
It doesn't mean we should sit back and let others be led down the same path by those who have chosen to not accept to inerrancy of the Word of God.

Wow, berating and demeaning me has really changed my mind! See you in the front pew tomorrow!



Seriously, what do you expect from me? I know what I want out of my life and my spirituality, but by treating me this way, you will only repel others who may have been Christ-curious.

 

[CaDan]

CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.

Even the demons believe and shudder.

I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.

My point is that there is a great depth to the Faith. Deeper than politics, deeper than forums, deeper than our words. To steal a term from Glass*Soul, "The Gospel is messy business."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

WHOA!!!!! Looks like half of CF is here

There is an old adage that says "You shall have no Creed before Me"!

 

[ProdicalChristian]

CF explains it is not specifically speaking of the Catholic church.

Even the demons believe and shudder.

I believe I can fly. Guess I'm a bird.

I am a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church by looking at unity, holiness, universality, and apostolicity SPIRITUALLY. Knowledge of God alone is no proof of salvation. Demons are fallen angels and they know God. They have seen God. There are many kinds of "FAITH". Many of them are "dead faith" and the other faith is true faith. True faith is that produces something and its living faith. "Oh," but he says "I believe, I believe," "Yeah," he says, "The devils believe and they tremble." Faith is not enough to believe unless that person's faith results in an act of commitment to Christ that results in a changed life that bears fruit. Jesus is the truth. True faith hears, believes, and actively responds from the heart. Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith.

 

[sunlover1]

It's honestly sad how much vitriol is coming from people wearing Christian icons and how much forgiveness and willingness to start new is coming from the atheists. I guess that by their fruits we will know them after all..

Haven't read this thread, but that is a shame alright.
It shouldn't be a surprise though.
Some of those who don't belong to Him yet,
are actually heirs, and also some who think they
do, aren't known by Him.

We all need prayer for sure, and some of us
don't have a great 'bedside' manner, so we
should all remember who's we are, and to be
a blessing.

Have a blessed day.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

I think we can and must voice our opinions while all is up in the air, to not vioce them is wrong. When all is said and done would be a good time to button it but as David did all he could while the baby still might have life, we must do our part, when it's dead and buried then is the time to carry on.

I am all for voicing opinions but when all those opinions are based on is speculation and not even on the post made by Erwin and when those opinions simply tear people down and insult non-Christians and non-Nicene Christians then they cannot be allowed to stand without correction. Love and forgiveness is central to Christianity and if there is not love or forgiveness then there is not a Christian behind the words. There are ways to respectfully disagree shown in this thread but you will have to read the atheists posts to find the best examples. It seems to me that some Christians have a lot to learn from the filthy atheists that they are so scared of.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church by looking at unity, holiness, universality, and apostolicity SPIRITUALLY. Knowledge of God alone is no proof of salvation. Demons are fallen angels and they know God. They have seen God. There are many kinds of "FAITH". Many of them are "dead faith" and the other faith is true faith. True faith is that produces something and its living faith. "Oh," but he says "I believe, I believe," "Yeah," he says, "The devils believe and they tremble." Faith is not enough to believe unless that person's faith results in an act of commitment to Christ that results in a changed life that bears fruit. Jesus is the truth. True faith hears, believes, and actively responds from the heart. Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith.

Does this mean we will all have to have Catholic Icons near our names.?

 

[Ginny]

We are, in fact, told to be in the world.

And this case, "of" the world.

I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word.

Unless one has a liberal view of marriage.

We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it.

Yet there's this new direction that goes against scripture in some manners.

It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.

And this is where people are turning to Erwin's interpretation.

Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed.

You tell that to your newly sworn in mods....if they have time to read your PM.

LOL...They said that about the political forums. And where is that area now?

You are welcome to your words and thoughts....I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness.

I feel the same towards you. It is a sincerely bad witness to go with the flow of those that do not uphold God's Word for the mere sake of democracy. I can imagine how someone could be offended easily. It's never comfortable when someone thinks other than you do. My feelings about these new changes are not rare in and of themself. Give it time.

The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast.

Hey, if I was an atheist on this forum I would be in a good mood, too. Been to News and Current Events lately? Well, how about Ethics and Morality?

You show me the love there.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Not one in opposition has offered how this direction goes against the word of God. I see a lot of people complaining about safety being removed but nowhere in scripture are we told to gather safely. We are, in fact, told to be in the world. I see nothing in this new system that goes contrary to God's word. I also don't believe the NC is necessary at all. We have scripture and we need nothing outside of it. It is good description of Biblical doctrines but it is only man's description of them it is not the word of God.

Nowhere in the proposition does it say chaos or anarchy will be allowed. In fact it states the rules will be simplified and the congregational forums, and other forums, will be able to vote on their own rules. This is not chaos at all. It seems that you are speaking from ignorance as to what is happening. Where in Erwin's post does he assert that the forum will be lawless and without rules?

We are told to love one another and we are told the definition of love. You can couch your words however you want but they are not kind in the least. They are not patient. They are not loving which we, as Christians, are instructed to be. You are welcome to your words and thoughts but as Christians we are called to correct wrongs when we see them. If you want to try and define your words as loving in any sense that is up to you. I will point out hypocrisy where I see it and do so in the kindest manner possible. I see your words as hurtful and a bad witness. The fact that more atheists are willing to be loving in this thread speaks to the state of Christianity here at CF and proves that something needs to be done and fast. Lucky for the whole of the body something is being done.

I am all for voicing opinions but when all those opinions are based on is speculation and not even on the post made by Erwin and when those opinions simply tear people down and insult non-Christians and non-Nicene Christians then they cannot be allowed to stand without correction. Love and forgiveness is central to Christianity and if there is not love or forgiveness then there is not a Christian behind the words. There are ways to respectfully disagree shown in this thread but you will have to read the atheists posts to find the best examples. It seems to me that some Christians have a lot to learn from the filthy atheists that they are so scared of.

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Originally Posted by EdmundBlackadderTheThird
It's honestly sad how much vitriol is coming from people wearing Christian icons and how much forgiveness and willingness to start new is coming from the atheists. I guess that by their fruits we will know them after all..

Thank you, I stand corrected.