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The world's version of a cherub:I don't get the reference to Hallmark cards. (And yeah, I did look it up on Wikipedia, but that didn't help.)
Originally Posted by mathclub
Dear Theists,
I don't care.
I believe in evolution, the big bang theory and germ theory. I believe that the earth is somewhere around 4.5 billion years old and that the universe is close to 14 billion years old. I believe that we evolved from some type of primate type mammal, and that the other primates are our closest relatives. I believe that the earth is round, and spins through space on an orbit around the sun. I believe that gravity holds us to this planet, but that our model of it is far from perfect. I believe that life started on this planet of it's own accord, with no outside help.
But at the end of the day, I don't care.
I don't care if evolution is rejected by the scientific community one day. I don't care if the big bang theory is flushed down the toilet. I don't care if germ theory is thrown out with yesterdays trash. None of my beliefs about any of your gods have anything to do with any of this. None of my rejection of the myriad of god tales has anything to do with anything I have listed above, or any other scientific fact.
I don't believe in any version of god(s) that I have ever heard, because all of it sounds ridiculous and stupid to me, and there is not the slightest bit of evidence to support any of it. Your god has never spoken to me, revealed himself to me or had anything to do with my life. So why would I believe?
But I get it.
I get that if evolution is true that your bible is shown to be a pack of lies. I get that if scientists show beyond all doubt that the big bang created the universe that your koran is shown to be factually incorrect. I get that these scientific theories attack the very foundation of your belief, and show it to be the patchwork of myths, lies, tales and stories that it actually is. I get that this science is threatening to you, and compels you to attack it in defence of your religion.
I get that you don't understand what a false dichotomy is, that you somehow think if you can prove evolution or the big bang is not true that you misguidely think that it somehow makes your particular religions creation myth more correct than another religions creation myth.
You could disprove any of the theories mentioned here, or any other scientific theory you care to name, but at the end of the day exactly NONE of my belief system is based upon any of these facts the way your religion is based on your creation myth. So guess what?
I don't care.
Originally Posted by brinny
Then why did you bother to post all this?
so that people would read it and think about what I had written and what I was trying to say.
you should try doing that.
Your god has never spoken to me, revealed himself to me or had anything to do with my life. So why would I believe?
The world's version of a cherub:
A real [good portrayal of a] cherub:
You have the burden of proof. It is up to you to prove that it is not true.I don't have an explanation. I just know your one isn't true.
This is a strawman. You make up a story and then you falsify your own story. So this amounts to nothing. Science demands evidence and you have to produce a way to verify what you say is true. Others have to be able to verify your results.Imagine you and I are standing in front of a door
That is what you know about God? That would not even qualify you to graduate from pre school to enter elementary school. You will need to know more then that to qualify for an education.God as a bearded fellow sitting in the clouds, or some such.
That is what you know about God? That would not even qualify you to graduate from pre school to enter elementary school. You will need to know more then that to qualify for an education.
A real [good portrayal of a] cherub:
Jazer said "God", not "Cherubs", and the plural of 'cherub' is 'cherubim', anyway; so Jazer is right, you have a lot to learn."That is what you know about Cherubs? That would not even qualify you to graduate from pre school to enter elementary school. You will need to know more then that to qualify for an education." (Freely adapted from Jazer)
See how kind I am AV? I merely said "silly." You however did not get any attacks about your education from me.
(And the "silliness" is an open secret. Compare with "a bearded fellow in the sky". Jazer seems to essentially agree that it is, well, silly.)
That, my friend, is entirely your problem. I'm not going to spam the thread with three or four posts in a row just so you can feel special.When you replied to several people in one post, it suppressed my interest to reply to you.
I find it highly probable that most people don't honestly contemplate the point of their existence, or indeed "big questions" in general. The only difference is that theists have a ready-made answer should they want one but be too lazy to "contemplate".Most atheists don't honestly contemplate the point of their existence because without a self-determined purpose there is no point.
Way to be constructive.yep, way to write the exact same thing I did but make it 10 times as long and 100 times more boring
You know the next question, don't you? Where is your evidence? How can an observer that isn't you verify this external, invisible entity that you are experiencing?Actually, my subjective experience is an internal experience of an external, invisible entity.
The King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God (1 Tim 1:17).
Unfortunately, a positive answer to that question doesn't guarantee success...Would you like Him to?
If 'embedded age' relies on maturity sans history, then it is invalid, as the earth shows a long, complex history. Your idea is invalidated by that which it attempts to explain. You are free to continue to be wrong, so long as you understand that you are, in fact, wrong.What I do understand is that Davian is wrong.
I am not Omphalos, I am Embedded Age.
It wouldn't.
God gave us Genesis 1 to clarify the issue, not cloud it.
Here's a scenario you can butcher until you don't understand:
Suppose, in 1/10 of a second, God created the earth and one single star 30 billion light years from the earth.
That's all that's in the universe: the earth and one star.
Now, suppose for reasons known only to Him, He also created light from the star to the earth.
Now He documents what He did, what order He did it in, how long it took Him (1/10 second), why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitness were.
Question: Would it be right for someone to come along and conclude God was being deceptive?
But say this document was an owner's manual for a car. I'm having some issue with the car, so I get out the manual from the glove box, and start reading. Strangely, the manual does not appear to match up with what I see on the car, even as the label on the front cover says it is for this car.
Would it be right for me to conclude that the manufacturer was trying to be deceptive? Could there be other, far more parsimonious explanations?
It's not -- care to answer it as I wrote it? or was I right about you butchering it until you wouldn't understand?
The world's version of a cherub:
A real [good portrayal of a] cherub:
This was difficult to ignore.
The reason I talk about nihilism is because as an atheist you probably believe that you are the result of an incredibly long chain of random (in the sense "purposeless") events, starting with a single uncaused event, working through accidental chemical fusion and followed by a series of purposeless, undriven evolutionary mutations. You will hopefully live between 70 and 100 years (maybe longer) until you die, and eventually decay, just as the whole universe will. Then perhaps this process will repeat.
But any meaning you have in your life, any desire to leave a mark, or be remembered is ultimately pointless because it is part of a chain of random, unscheduled events. In fact, and meaning you give your life, just like an earlier poster, is made up.
Yet atheists continually accuse Christians of making their God up, while totally missing the irony.
As an atheist I at least recognised that any value I assigned to my own existence I did for my own pleasure/sanity. The reality is that I was no more important in the scheme of things than a single ant, largely because there was no scheme of things. Any value attributed to me by others was a reflection of how I affected their own ultimately pointless lives.
In the atheist worldview "we" must continually invent reasons to do the smallest things. We spend most of our lives doing what we don't want to do - going to school when we'd rather not, going to work when we'd rather not, sleeping for a third of our existence. Atheists have to assign some value to this because the truth is hard to swallow. I'm sure you assign value to your own existence, hence your reluctance to accept the truth of your situation.
You see our belief in God as a construct to get us through the pointlessless of life. We honestly see God as the logical reason for our existence. We see things in two different ways, and unless or until God allows you to see things differently it will remain that way. But believe me when I say that our belief is at least as real as your self-attributed meaning for existence, and more so because we believe everything you do and more. We don't have a deficiency, we have an added dimension.
Most atheists don't honestly contemplate the point of their existence because without a self-determined purpose there is no point. Just Google Atheistic Existentialism to see what I mean.[FONT="][/FONT]
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I can also speak as an ex-atheist and point out that if you don't have a nihilistic view of existence then you don't get being an atheist.
It's funny how nearly everyone claiming to be an ex-atheist doesn't seem to have the faintest clue about what atheism is.
Peter
Jazer said "God", not "Cherubs",
cherub - Wiktionaryand the plural of 'cherub' is 'cherubim', anyway;
so Jazer is right, you have a lot to learn.
(Ezekiel 1:5) Each of them had four faces and four wings, with straight feet with a sole like the sole of a calf's foot, and "hands of a man" under their wings. Each had four faces: The face of a man, the face of a lion on the right side, the face of an ox on the left side, and the face of an eagle.
Why would it? you're an atheistic evolutionist.I have to say, "created light from the star to the earth" makes no sense to me...
Oh! I do! I think!It's funny how nearly everyone claiming to be an ex-atheist doesn't seem to have the faintest clue about what atheism is.
Oh! I do! I think!
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist, but only insofar as the person knows that God doesn't exist.
And since one can't prove a negative, then let's just say he strongly suspects there is no God, which means he goes by faith.
But only insofar as he can ascertain same; if he can't ascertain same, then he can claim he doesn't know God exists, but until he can, he will claim 'weak atheism'.
In other words, he will be a 'weak atheist', until a 'strong atheist' shows otherwise by proving a negative that one can't prove in the first place.
OR, until someone comes along and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt -- not "suspects", like he's allowed to do with his beliefs, but proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists, then he will drop his weak atheism in favor of theism, until such time as someone falsifies this proof, then he will join the ranks of weak atheism again, until, of course a strong atheist comes along and...
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