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because as each piece of evidence piles up supporting evolution it makes religious belief that god snap his fingers and magiced the earth out of nothing look as ridiculous as it really is.
In regards to the 'god of the gaps' etc, as an Atheist I think we should be linking science with disproving the bible as often as possible.
This was difficult to ignore.I'm not a real atheist then?
And since "evolution" as they say only deals with existing life then that's out for explaining where earth came from (obviously)
So, then you must know of course where the earth came from. If you dismiss God creating it by " snap his fingers and magiced the earth out of nothing" then surley you have an alternative?
Humor us who believe the earth was purposed into existance as being "ridiculous" with your explanation...
Dear Theists,
I don't care.
I believe in evolution, the big bang theory and germ theory. I believe that the earth is somewhere around 4.5 billion years old and that the universe is close to 14 billion years old. I believe that we evolved from some type of primate type mammal, and that the other primates are our closest relatives. I believe that the earth is round, and spins through space on an orbit around the sun. I believe that gravity holds us to this planet, but that our model of it is far from perfect. I believe that life started on this planet of it's own accord, with no outside help.
But at the end of the day, I don't care.
I don't care if evolution is rejected by the scientific community one day. I don't care if the big bang theory is flushed down the toilet. I don't care if germ theory is thrown out with yesterdays trash. None of my beliefs about any of your gods have anything to do with any of this. None of my rejection of the myriad of god tales has anything to do with anything I have listed above, or any other scientific fact.
I don't believe in any version of god(s) that I have ever heard, because all of it sounds ridiculous and stupid to me, and there is not the slightest bit of evidence to support any of it. Your god has never spoken to me, revealed himself to me or had anything to do with my life. So why would I believe?
But I get it.
I get that if evolution is true that your bible is shown to be a pack of lies. I get that if scientists show beyond all doubt that the big bang created the universe that your koran is shown to be factually incorrect. I get that these scientific theories attack the very foundation of your belief, and show it to be the patchwork of myths, lies, tales and stories that it actually is. I get that this science is threatening to you, and compels you to attack it in defence of your religion.
I get that you don't understand what a false dichotomy is, that you somehow think if you can prove evolution or the big bang is not true that you misguidely think that it somehow makes your particular religions creation myth more correct than another religions creation myth.
You could disprove any of the theories mentioned here, or any other scientific theory you care to name, but at the end of the day exactly NONE of my belief system is based upon any of these facts the way your religion is based on your creation myth. So guess what?
I don't care.
Dear Theists,
I don't care.
I believe in evolution, the big bang theory and germ theory. I believe that the earth is somewhere around 4.5 billion years old and that the universe is close to 14 billion years old. I believe that we evolved from some type of primate type mammal, and that the other primates are our closest relatives. I believe that the earth is round, and spins through space on an orbit around the sun. I believe that gravity holds us to this planet, but that our model of it is far from perfect. I believe that life started on this planet of it's own accord, with no outside help.
But at the end of the day, I don't care.
I don't care if evolution is rejected by the scientific community one day. I don't care if the big bang theory is flushed down the toilet. I don't care if germ theory is thrown out with yesterdays trash. None of my beliefs about any of your gods have anything to do with any of this. None of my rejection of the myriad of god tales has anything to do with anything I have listed above, or any other scientific fact.
I don't believe in any version of god(s) that I have ever heard, because all of it sounds ridiculous and stupid to me, and there is not the slightest bit of evidence to support any of it. Your god has never spoken to me, revealed himself to me or had anything to do with my life. So why would I believe?
But I get it.
I get that if evolution is true that your bible is shown to be a pack of lies. I get that if scientists show beyond all doubt that the big bang created the universe that your koran is shown to be factually incorrect. I get that these scientific theories attack the very foundation of your belief, and show it to be the patchwork of myths, lies, tales and stories that it actually is. I get that this science is threatening to you, and compels you to attack it in defence of your religion.
I get that you don't understand what a false dichotomy is, that you somehow think if you can prove evolution or the big bang is not true that you misguidely think that it somehow makes your particular religions creation myth more correct than another religions creation myth.
You could disprove any of the theories mentioned here, or any other scientific theory you care to name, but at the end of the day exactly NONE of my belief system is based upon any of these facts the way your religion is based on your creation myth. So guess what?
I don't care.
someone else who understood what i wrote could probably write this reply for me, but i'll do it anyway.
i don't believe in your god,
Have I made myself clear yet?
Gee, thanks for not getting one of your secretaries here to write it out for you...The question was posted to YOU from a comment YOU made. WHY would "someone else probably write this reply" for you?
I don't care about anything you believe. I saw you make a comment about how ridiculous it is to think God snapped His fingers and made earth.
IM ASKING YOU...your explanation then?????? Please share...
HAVE I?
Dear Atheist,
I understand a little bit where you're coming from. It's sometimes hard for me to grasp that everything I see, hear, touch, smell, and/or taste was created by God. If you're anything like me, then I imagine you're very bitter towards religion in general, though. I was like that for a while. But it left an inexplicable void in my life. I became more angry and bitter than ever. Despite my efforts, I couldn't deny the truth.
There is a God.
I know you don't care. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, since it's your choice whether you want to believe or not. Free will, in other words. I pray you could come to know God like I have, if only because I want you to know what it is like. I strongly believe if it weren't for God, I would not be here typing this. But for the grace of God, I am alive.
Again, I'm not trying to convince you or change your mind. But I cannot be silent either. Maybe some day you'll change your mind. Maybe you never will. I don't know your heart. And I apologize if any of this offends you, because that is not my intention.
I care.
May God bless you and give you a good, long life.
Then why did you bother to post all this?
And since "evolution" as they say only deals with existing life then that's out for explaining where earth came from (obviously)
So, then you must know of course where the earth came from. If you dismiss God creating it by " snap his fingers and magiced the earth out of nothing" then surley you have an alternative?
Humor us who believe the earth was purposed into existance as being "ridiculous" with your explanation...
So, then you must know of course where the earth came from. If you dismiss God creating it by " snap his fingers and magiced the earth out of nothing" then surley you have an alternative?
Imagine you and I are standing in front of a door and there's lots of banging around and noise coming from behind it. You turn to me and say "I know what's making that noise, it's a dragon. I have no evidence that there's a dragon behind that door, but I have this 2,000 year old book that says it's a dragon so I think it's a dragon." I reply "that's ridiculous, I don't believe that. I don't know what it is, but I do know it's not a dragon".
Depends. It might be a dragon, if "dragon" is merely a metaphor for "the noise-making entity behind that door."
When the subject is the existence of God, the subject is the existence of God. Right? Right. The subject is NOT the earth, it is NOT the universe, it is NOT beauty, it is NOT the eye in an of itself.
What would be permissible would be the subject of how exactly God made the earth, the universe, beauty, the eye. But that does not ever happen. Instead you get either overly vague stuff like your "the earth was purposed into existance". Or it gets you notions that if taken at face value are simply silly like this tale about how "the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life". Of course, these silly tales are not to be taken at face value, but rather as metaphors for, well, we don't really know.
So, vagueness it is, one way or the other. Something which happens to be called "God" but which is essentially non-descript - ineffable, if you wish - does something in a way which is essentially non-descript - ineffable, if you wish. Absolutely great.
What exactly an 'atheistic' explanation or non-explanation, for, say, "where the earth came from" has got to do with that is utterly beyond me. At worst, you would be left with vagueness along the lines something, somehow, somewhere. *shrugs*
The fun part is of course that ultimately you can't distinguish one vague "something, somehow", from another vague "something, somehow". To do that you would need to dispel the vagueness first. But that does not happen, ever, with "God". You get some sort of illusion of explaining stuff, but you don't actually explain stuff.
If you (want to) dismiss an explanation, you don't have to provide an explanation. Mind, you don't have to, but you could. For example, you could dismiss option A in favor of option B. But as I said, you don't have to; you also could simply dismiss option A because it is rubbish in an of itself. By and large this is position of an atheist. A negative position.
If however you (want to) provide an explanation, then I am afraid that you would also have to do all the necessary work that that entails. By and large, this is the position that a theist who tries to argue "God" as an explanation finds themself in.
Reality is completely different of course, and you'll find that the people who should be making a positive case for something, content themselves to negative argumentation, while trying to shirk all the work of providing positive explanation to those who merely hold a negative position. Totally Ga-Ga.
(For me, the issue is very simple however. If theistic 'explanations' for the complexity of the eye, the earth, beauty morality, the price of rice in China amount to no more than ineffable somethings doing ineffable somehows, then I will draw the consequences from that. No wait, I did already draw the consequences from that.)
It's not -- care to answer it as I wrote it? or was I right about you butchering it until you wouldn't understand?But say this document was an owner's manual for a car.
no, he just meant it's a dragon. you know, breathes fire, flies, big as a barn?
You need me to link you to a picture?
yep, way to write the exact same thing I did but make it 10 times as long and 100 times more boring
It's when you guys cater to Hallmark cards, that's when you get into trouble.Similar with your analogy. Somewhere, there is probably somebody, who points out that what is meant by "dragon" is of course not a literal dragon, but just a flimsy attempt to describe what is beyond our ken.
Thanks, in part, to science and [so called] higher academia, we tend to look at characters in the Bible a different way than intended.
A good example is the cherub.
Is he a cute little chubby baby posing for Hallmark cards, or is he an elite fighting angel not to be messed with?
Who says dragons breathed fire?
Actually, my subjective experience is an internal experience of an external, invisible entity.Your subjective experience is an internal feeling, not an external entity.
It's when you guys cater to Hallmark cards
that's when you get into trouble.
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