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A Key to Unity in American Politics

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Not unity, but consensus on core issues would absolutely help. One of those being respecting the vote and electoral process which sadly Trump is guilty of deliberately undermining.
 
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He just wants to keep "those brown people" as he calls them, out of the country.
How would you describe a person of color if you did not know his origin? After reading your reply I can't think of any other way to describe someone of unknown origin and I'm no scholar.

To be fair why not use brown black or yellow there is no hesitation when it comes to the color white. Either it's bad to identify people by color or it's not.
 
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To begin with, they're not all "brown." And I also noticed that increasingly Asians are sneaking into the country from Canada and nobody seems upset about it. To be fair to Abbot, I don't think he's any more of a racist than anybody else. For him, I think, and for a lot of conservatives it's more about culture than race. I give you as an example one of our conservative colleagues in this forum who recently expressed outrage that he, a "Christian man" was forced to speak Spanish in a store in order to communicate with the clerk. I don't think race played a very big part in his outrage.
 
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To begin with, they're not all "brown."
This is the point. How do you describe someone from an unknown origin? Last night I tried to think of other ways to profile someone without offending you. I don't have a large vocabulary so how would I describe someone from afar?
 
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Not unity, but consensus on core issues would absolutely help. One of those being respecting the vote and electoral process which sadly Trump is guilty of deliberately undermining.
That is a fair point concerning voting and electoral process. Would you recognize that there is a legitimate point of view which asks questions while also bringing up data and/or facts concerning the different ways that the voting & electoral processes changed in 2020 through 2024?
 
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I think Governor Abbot has been the most forthright and honest amongst Republicans. He just wants to keep "those brown people" as he calls them, out of the country.
For Governor Abbot, it is not a racial thing at all. If it were, then he would be attempting to persuade Texans to try to deport the Hispanic immigrants whom are legally in the great state of Texas.
 
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It is wholly legitimate to debate voting and how voters are registered etc. the issue is that Trump from what I can see has deliberately sowed doubt on the whole process.

If Trump wins in November, I truly fear for your democracy.

From Peter Thiel and Vance, Musk et al you are looking at rule by the tech oligarchs.
 
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Not anymore. The Republicans are rejecting respecting the vote, NATO, etc
So both parties including the Republicans can not come to a consensus. Why be a hypocrite and bash one side?
 
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So both parties including the Republicans can not come to a consensus. Why be a hypocrite and bash one side?
Because I will happily bash any side that deliberately undermines democracy, the ultimate freedom is a fair vote to change a countries leader.
 
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Because I will happily bash any side that deliberately undermines democracy, the ultimate freedom is a fair vote to change a countries leader.
So what you said about consensus is false?
 
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So what you said about consensus is false?
No. Read my post. I was commenting on forget unity it would be good to see consensus on core issues such as respecting the vote. Something that Trump manifestly does not with his fraudulent lies on voter fraud.
 
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There is indeed a legitimate point of view regarding how the 2020 election was rigged with how the different voting laws of different states were changed by the states' governors and/or secretaries of states instead of those state voting laws being legitimately and legally changed by those state legislative houses.
 
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Except that quite obviously they were changed legally using the powers granted to the authorities by the legislative houses.

At least as far as the courts were concerned.

2020 was unprecedented due to COVID.
 
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I do find it crazy that electing the President of the USA is dependent on state law, not federal. So an American citizen in one state can find it easier to cast their vote than the state next door.
 
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Except that quite obviously they were changed legally using the powers granted to the authorities by the legislative houses.

At least as far as the courts were concerned.

2020 was unprecedented due to COVID.
Do you recognize that in many states that the voting laws which were changed in 2020 due to COVID are still in place?
 
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I do find it crazy that electing the President of the USA is dependent on state law, not federal.
That is a fair point that voting in Federal elections is dependent upon state laws. However, I believe that it would take an official Amendment to the USA Constitution to change that across our nation.
 
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Because I will happily bash any side that deliberately undermines democracy, the ultimate freedom is a fair vote to change a countries leader.

No. Read my post. I was commenting on forget unity it would be good to see consensus on core issues such as respecting the vote. Something that Trump manifestly does not with his fraudulent lies on voter fraud.
On the topic of consensus on core issues mean Democrat core issues only or a combination of both "unity"
 
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From Peter Thiel and Vance, Musk et al you are looking at rule by the tech oligarchs.
I’ve seen [elsewhere on the interwebs] “capitalism is dead, long live the techno-feudalism”, (or some such).
 
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