A frank Question

[Time2BCounted]

Why is it that suddenly the entire staff of the occult recovery forum are now joining ours?

Is it because we are the loudest voice questioning your abilities and qualifications and method and you want to change that?

Dont fear repercussions, i hold nothing against you personally, and i DO understand everyone has a political agenda... i just honestly want to know given the stance and views of a lot of us here

 

[Macrina]

The entire staff?

I for one have been a member of this subforum longer than you have.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Why is it that suddenly the entire staff of the occult recovery forum are now joining ours?

Is it because we are the loudest voice questioning your abilities and qualifications and method and you want to change that?

Dont fear repercussions, i hold nothing against you personally, and i DO understand everyone has a political agenda... i just honestly want to know given the stance and views of a lot of us here

It does seem highly suspicious.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Isn't there only like four mods in that forum or something?

Belinda coming and asking for membership doesn't equal the entire staff.

And perhaps, her joining has NOTHING to do with the recovery forum, eh?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Father Rick made his intentions known as to why he joined. He joined so that he could refute within the boundaries of the rules of the forum.

 

[Time2BCounted]

So then its not really because he is conservative, but his IS an admitted political agenda... Thank you preachers wife


What can we do to protect this forum then from people who are joining it for a polotical purpose to make it more left wing?

 

[Simon_Templar]

I know you appreciate frankness, so let me be frank as well.

I've enjoyed many of my conversations with you, so don't think this is personal, nor ill-willed. However, the reality is that there are only about 3 people in this forum who have a problem with the oversight of the occult recovery forum.
I know some of the people who are involved in over sight, I have talked with them many times over the last few years, and seen them post, and read their views, and I trust them.
Further, it is getting to the point that your comments in regards to these people and the answers that they have given appear to be skirting the line between conservative, and paranoid.

Much as it gives me no pleasure to say it, in my opinion, alot of your interactions on this issue very much give the image that you are actively looking for any little thing you can use to try and accuse the people involved with the forum. Your interactions have seemed unreasonably argumentative.

 

[Criada]

There is nothing in our rules about being left or right wing!
This is not a political forum - conservative refers to holdinnng to the established, Biblical beliefs of the church - not to any political affiliation!!

 

[Macrina]

...What can we do to protect this forum then from people who are joining it for a polotical purpose to make it more left wing?

What can we do to preserve the right of conservative Christians to join this forum without being harassed?

 

[BelindaP]

Let me clarify that a bit. He IS conservative. But he is also honest with regard to his motivations.

As to my motivations--I have been pondering this for over a month. Wrestling with what the correct thing to do would be. I'm conservative and yet the conservative forum didn't seem right to me.

And then, I saw Jim's OP about the divide and Macrina's OP about communication, and something clicked. Stay and work things out. I'm tired of division. Let's work together.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Simon
When one makes the admission that their reason for joining brother, is more based on the political than theology, i dont consider it paranoia to make the observatkion and quesiton it, i consider it common sence and fighting to KEEP this a conservative forum

 

[Tenebrae]

At this stage 3 listed staff, 2 non listed staff because it was causing the reports to go to open forums

Of the three listed staff, I have seen non post in here

Meh may have made one or two posts, however the only one I have seen post here on a semi sort of regular basis is belinda and father rick

That does not constitute a majority let alone "the entire staff posting here"

I post, because there are some awesome people here. Have come to the conclusion I dont fit into the liberal forum because I can agree and stand with this statement of beliefs

• The Holy Scriptures are inspired, the written Word of God. Scripture is revelation from God given for the instruction of his people in faith, morals, and doctrine. The revelation of scripture is completely reliable and authoritative.
  [*]The minimum standard of doctrinal belief in order for a person to be considered a Christian is accurately contained within the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds. The doctrines contained within these creeds are the bare essentials upon which Christians must agree. It is understood, however, that even within the creeds there are some differences of interpretation. Specifically, it is allowed in this forum that the term “Catholic Church” can be understood to mean the universal, invisible body of which all Christians are members. The phrase “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” can be understood in a symbolic sense.
  [*]Our Christian faith can not be separated from our views on politics and society, or any other area of life. The Conservative Christian worldview holds the following values and views to be necessary expressions of Christian morality based upon Holy Scripture and the established teachings of the Christian Church.
  [*]God is triune. God has revealed Himself in three co-equal and co-eternal persons. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God.
  [*]The sanctity of human life. Human life begins at conception and ends when the body can no longer naturally sustain itself. Human life can not be ended prematurely without just cause and just authority to do so. This includes most cases of abortion and euthanasia.
  [*]Sexual morality is a fundamental requirement of Christian moral teaching. The Scriptures repeatedly address the topic of traditional sexual morality as a necessary part of our obedience to God and right living. Sexually moral behavior, in Scripture, and in the established teachings of the Church is held to be limited to sex between a husband and his wife. All other sexual activities fall under the heading of sexual immorality and depart from conservative christian teaching and morality.
  [*]Sin separates people from God. Thus it is destructive and harmful. Jesus Christ came not only to grant us a way of forgiveness from sin, but also to free us from bondage to sin. Our Lord Jesus Christ has imparted to us the ministry of reconciliation. It is our duty and privilege to teach people the gospel of forgiveness of sins, freedom from sin, and reconciliation to God. Freedom begins with knowing the truth.
  [*]Truth and Love are both God's character. All truth can be expressed in love. When addressing others in the forum we should hold ourselves accountable to the belief that all people are created in God's image, and as such deserve a basic level of respect, regardless of their deeds. This is not meant to muzzle honest discourse or comment, but to remind that all truth, must be expressed in love. Therefore, Conservative Christians may not flame visitors but rather seek to reason with them with an attitude of service and love.
  [*]Sola Scriptura – Not all conservatives hold to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. As per the forum rules we all acknowledge the inspiration, complete reliability, and authority of scripture. However, some conservative Christians may hold Holy Tradition and the Church to be authoritative, or necessary to proper interpretation of scripture, in addition to the scriptures. Others do affirm Sola Scriptura, and are also welcomed equally on this forum. Neither position is preferred. No rule will be made concerning the views of Sola Scriptura, or the Traditions of the Church. Which position is correct is to be determined by the individual, not the forum.
  [*]Biblical Literalism – Not all conservatives hold an absolute literal interpretation of scripture. This may especially be seen in the areas of eschatology and the Genesis creation account.

. I hang out here because of the wonderful people who are in alot more of a line with my world view. Thats not to diss the people in WWMC, because when things were really rough for me, they gave me room to vent, cry and be angry and I will always be appreciative of that.

Trying not to cross your rules, and hope that if I do, people will tell me and I will edit

 

[BelindaP]

Well, he's not going to move the forum more liberal. He's an Old Catholic priest, for heaven's sake.

 

[Time2BCounted]

By work together belinda do you mean dont quesiton you or your motives?

I find it ironic that it is only AFTER people raise a concern for your forum that all 3 or you join

You dont think this is ironic?

Let me ask your view on scripture then since you asked me to address it here in your other thread


Luke 11
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.


do you believe this passage of scripture literally or are you more liberal in your interpretation? Explain to me what this passage means to you please

 

[Time2BCounted]

why are you misrepresenting Fr Rick? Hes not old at all, hes younger than i am

 

[Macrina]

As to my motivations--I have been pondering this for over a month. Wrestling with what the correct thing to do would be. I'm conservative and yet the conservative forum didn't seem right to me.

And then, I saw Jim's OP about the divide and Macrina's OP about communication, and something clicked. Stay and work things out. I'm tired of division. Let's work together.

I'm glad you have this attitude, Belinda. I think we can overcome all of this and have a truly strong forum here for theological conservatives of varying stripes.

 

[Macrina]

why are you misrepresenting Fr Rick? Hes not old at all, hes younger than i am

"Old" describes "Catholic," not "priest."

 

[Time2BCounted]

Freitag, THAT i can respect too. I appreciate this in you. Not that i dont appreciate Mac and Fr Rick and Belinda i just find their agenda based on politics imho, in an attempt to silence those who quesiton them

 

[Nadiine]

It does seem highly suspicious.

That's my issue. The timing - & the liberal impact all of a sudden

 

[BelindaP]

By work together belinda do you mean dont quesiton you or your motives?

I find it ironic that it is only AFTER people raise a concern for your forum that all 3 or you join

You dont think this is ironic?

Let me ask your view on scripture then since you asked me to address it here in your other thread


Luke 11
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.


do you believe this passage of scripture literally or are you more liberal in your interpretation? Explain to me what this passage means to you please

I do believe it literally. The only part that I would take allegorically would be the number of demons coming back. Since Jesus used the number seven, he could have been referring to any number of demons. However, I wouldn't have a throw-down over whether it was seven or just many.

why are you misrepresenting Fr Rick? Hes not old at all, hes younger than i am

No, he's not old, he's Old Catholic.