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if people wanna make a conservative forum more liberal, why don't they just join a liberal forum instead? the more conservative christianity gets, the more difficult it probably is for people to see christianity for what it is: tough stuff, not pick and choose stuff
Yes, that's what this is all about Ladybug. Let's just change the name to liberal conservatives & then I'll request a new CONSERVATIVE FORUM for real "right wing, ultra" conservatives
 
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if people wanna make a conservative forum more liberal, why don't they just join a liberal forum instead?

None of us are trying to do this. :)

That's okay. I am glad it is out in the open. I am not Conservative enough either, I suppose. I am one of "them" now. :(

Lisa

Join the club, hon.

I'm not here trying to insisting that anyone should change. Or bend their beliefs to mine. Espcecially when it comes to scripture. I was in a spiritually abusive church that would pick small pieces out of the bible and use them to make it say something different to what the words left in the original context would mean, it totally stuffed up my head for a long while

Lots of soul searching over the last few weeks, and realised that I am not a liberal christians, and read over the CC statement of beliefs and realised "Hey I can agree with this" no ands ifs or buts


I'm still not sure that this is the right forum for me, But it seemed to me to be dishonest to hold a membership over at WWMC if I couldnt really agree with it

I'm glad you're here! :hug:
 
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but you havent posted here that ive seen since ive been here, and frankly mac, though i have nothing against you personally, i dont consider your theology to be conservative. Now though, all of a sudden you are posting here again and 2 others are joining for what seems to me to be political reasons to silence a voice against your agenda and to influance this forum more to the left... Cant help my opinion sis but i do love you
Brother, Mac has always posted here.

And we all have times when we are busy with other things and don't post as much.

Love you. :hug:
 
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but you havent posted here that ive seen since ive been here, and frankly mac, though i have nothing against you personally, i dont consider your theology to be conservative. Now though, all of a sudden you are posting here again and 2 others are joining for what seems to me to be political reasons to silence a voice against your agenda and to influance this forum more to the left... Cant help my opinion sis but i do love you

Dude, I joined staff and went on vacation in recent weeks. I haven't had as much of a chance to be posting here as I had for awhile. I go way back with this forum, though.

As for questioning my theology -- I agree with the statement of faith of this forum. Is that not good enough?
 
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When one makes the admission that their reason for joining brother, is more based on the political than theology, i dont consider it paranoia to make the observatkion and quesiton it, i consider it common sence and fighting to KEEP this a conservative forum
I'm not refering to just this thread, but to the entire 'conversation' that has taken place on this issue over the last few days.

I have no problem with Fr. Rick joining the forum because he feels there is a wrong view point being presented and he wants to refute it. There are times when I have felt like doing the same in other forums.

Further, I object to classifying this as making the forum more left wing. Fr. Rick isn't left wing. He easily fits within the description of conservative put forward by this forum.

I've talked theology and doctrine with him on many occasions and the only thing I've ever disagreed with him on, to my memory, is the issue of women's ordination.

I think you are wrong in portraying your opinion on the occult refuge forum as "conservatism" and painting those who disagree with your view on the forum as liberals. Even if their oversight is not adaquetly prepared, or not specific enough in its guidlines (which I am allowing merely for the sake of the point) this doesn't make it "liberal" it just makes it poorly designed. The guidlines that they have stated fit well within the boundries of 'conservative'. Leaving something up to the discression of the staff is not conservative or liberal.. it may be ill advised, but its not an issue of right wing or left wing etc.

I just disagreed with Tonks in another thread, but I have no doubt from my experience of the last few years that I have far more agreement with him theologically and doctrinally, than I do disagreement. Likewise with Fr. Rick.

Macrina and I tangled over the issue of women's ordination when we first started the forum, but I would not remotely call her left wing, or imagine that she would deliberately allow occult infiltration of the site, nor that she is stupid, or naive.

Belinda I don't know, but every thing I've seen her post has been reasonable and gracious.

It is my hope that these guys will stick around and talk on other things because some of them are people I've enjoyed talking with for a long time. If they have come only to make sure their views are represented on the refuge forum issue, then I suspect they won't get much play because I'm getting the impression that most of the rest of the forum don't want to talk about it anymore and don't feel there is a useful purpose, or a need for talking about it.
 
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Yes, that's what this is all about Ladybug. Let's just change the name to liberal conservatives & then I'll request a new CONSERVATIVE FORUM for real "right wing, ultra" conservatives
if we had a Moderate forum, that would probably be even harder to maintain cuz there'd be even more ambiguity:scratch:maybe
 
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thanks LT.. I can see it's impossible to deal with these issues, the minute we get down to the real issues, they get closed up.
what the heck is the point in bothering with this?
It's not the issues, sweetie, it's the attitudes.
Not yours, specifically, just the general defensiveness and unwillingness to listen.
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but you havent posted here that ive seen since ive been here, and frankly mac, though i have nothing against you personally, i dont consider your theology to be conservative. Now though, all of a sudden you are posting here again and 2 others are joining for what seems to me to be political reasons to silence a voice against your agenda and to influance this forum more to the left... Cant help my opinion sis but i do love you

Color me confused.

Do you even know anything about her theology?
 
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I'm not refering to just this thread, but to the entire 'conversation' that has taken place on this issue over the last few days.

I have no problem with Fr. Rick joining the forum because he feels there is a wrong view point being presented and he wants to refute it. There are times when I have felt like doing the same in other forums.

Further, I object to classifying this as making the forum more left wing. Fr. Rick isn't left wing. He easily fits within the description of conservative put forward by this forum.

I've talked theology and doctrine with him on many occasions and the only thing I've ever disagreed with him on, to my memory, is the issue of women's ordination.

I think you are wrong in portraying your opinion on the occult refuge forum as "conservatism" and painting those who disagree with your view on the forum as liberals. Even if their oversight is not adaquetly prepared, or not specific enough in its guidlines (which I am allowing merely for the sake of the point) this doesn't make it "liberal" it just makes it poorly designed. The guidlines that they have stated fit well within the boundries of 'conservative'. Leaving something up to the discression of the staff is not conservative or liberal.. it may be ill advised, but its not an issue of right wing or left wing etc.

I just disagreed with Tonks in another thread, but I have no doubt from my experience of the last few years that I have far more agreement with him theologically and doctrinally, than I do disagreement. Likewise with Fr. Rick.

Macrina and I tangled over the issue of women's ordination when we first started the forum, but I would not remotely call her left wing, or imagine that she would deliberately allow occult infiltration of the site, nor that she is stupid, or naive.

Belinda I don't know, but every thing I've seen her post has been reasonable and gracious.

It is my hope that these guys will stick around and talk on other things because some of them are people I've enjoyed talking with for a long time. If they have come only to make sure their views are represented on the refuge forum issue, then I suspect they won't get much play because I'm getting the impression that most of the rest of the forum don't want to talk about it anymore and don't feel there is a useful purpose, or a need for talking about it.
I can't judge if they're liberal or not, I know neither of them... but less liberal compared to what?? more conservative compared to what?

My issue is the tolerance displayed FOR liberalism, not if they themselves are.
 
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