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Who is there to record the universes that are not finely tuned for life?
Just what are the chances that we got the right kind of God? Just think of it, the slightest variation in competence, or desires, or intentions ....
The mind boggles.
A universe and world finely tuned so that all must struggle to survive and all eventually die.
Does this support the creator being a kind and loving God or Satan being the creator?
Lol I guess I am.
Would you agree that if I was tuned slightly differently then a different form of beastie would be a stowaway on my body?
And also am i finely tuned to carry potentially fatal Cancers, viruses and diseases?
Yes. Depending on you alkalinity vs acidity, an entirely different biome will populate you and saturate the neurons in your gut with their photonic information. Every DNA strand is a weak lasic molecule firing it's info in photon packets like a drunken rail gun or an aquatic dragon spitting fire.
You can either have a harmonic rainforest of biota feasting on fermented food and fresh veges. Or a wasteland of scavengers fighting for scraps of sugar in a chemical dead food wasteland.
Now you know why diet change has such a profound effect on depression and why no psycho therapy or happy pills will ever address the root cause.
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Your argument goes like this
"I don't accept the constants, they are not constants, Scientists are wrong"
"I believe the constants can be different"
"Therefor the argument for Fine Tuning is invalid"
No, that is not my argument.
I'm not saying that I believe that the constants can be different. I hold no such belief. Perhaps they can't be different from what they are, and that would actually hurt the fine-tuning case, because if the constants can't vary, what need is there for a fine-tuning God?
I'm saying that we don't know the explanation for how it is that constants exist at their current values, or how they come to adopt those particular values if they could be different.
Without that knowledge, any speculation about divine intervention is premature.
What you are doing is a sly effort to shift the burden of proof where it doesn't belong. It's similar to the apologetic where the apologist suggests that a cell has some ridiculously small chance of self-assembling, and therefore an intelligent designer must exist. That doesn't take into account other potential ways in which abiogenesis might occur, even if they are not fully understood yet.
My argument isn't an argument from ignorance, but rather an argument that respects ignorance where it actually exists.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Any one care to admit that our bodies are fine tuned for cancer and viruses? Or are you going to make an exception for this?
Just what are the chances that we got the right kind of God? Just think of it, the slightest variation in competence, or desires, or intentions ....
The mind boggles.
Why are our bodies finely tuned to always hid the little toe on chair and table legs?
The fact that our bodies are destroyed by viruses shows Fine Tuning, the Fine Tuning doesn't say that we are immortal, it says that there is a reason for everything that has been put there therefor the failure of a system proves a structure. Your argument would be correct if we were indestructible.
Of course viruses are not by God, viruses are not causeless, they have a cause we can prevent.
So God intended for us to have cancer and diseases etc?
Viruses are not evil by nature. Your argument is flawed from the beginning because you treat viruses as something that its only goal is to destroy living things, it doesn't work that way.
I didn't have an argument. I merely asked in this fine tuned universe are we fine tuned to be killed by these things. I don't care about their intention, the fact is we are at the mercy of viruses and bacteria... Was this gods intention? It's a question. Not an argument.
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