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Because if you were in the casino and you won in a raw so many times you would wonder if the game is staged.
No I wouldn't. Perhaps the numbers have to be what they are.
Do you have any examples of universes where they are different? If so, do tell.
And even if they could be different, and our universe is a one in a bazillion fluke, it still doesn't prove god. Saying it did is a God of the Gaps fallacy.
Finally, even if there was a creator, what makes you think it is your god? Maybe the Australian aborigines had it right.
We IDers have an argument from analogy:
1. like causes spawn like effects
2. intelligence is the only thing that can fine-tune
3. the universe is fine-tuned
4. therefore the universe is the result of intelligence
1. Like causes spawn like effects
2. things with physical brains are the only things that can fine-tune
3. The universe is fine-tuned
4. Therefore the universe is the result of something with a physical brain.
Your god has a physical brain.
Of course, I reject premisse 3 as unsupported, but yeah...
Your argument leaves you with a physical being with a physical brain.
Not sure, that you have thought your argument through
If Brain = Consciousness then why Reductionism is false?
Whoever said that "Brain = Consciousness" except for yourself? All I remember is someone saying that consciousness is a property of a brain.
eudaimonia,
Mark
If Brain = Consciousness then why Reductionism is false?
Hawking has a Mind and does science while he can't even move a muscle.
....
This is the fallacy from possibility. Its not rational to believe:
1. x is more probable than y
2. y is possible
3. therefore I believe y
What you have is an argument from ignorance:
1. I dont know what other universes are like
2. Therefore, we are here by chance
It doesnt follow.
We IDers have an argument from analogy:
1. like causes spawn like effects
2. intelligence is the only thing that can fine-tune
3. the universe is fine-tuned
4. therefore the universe is the result of intelligence
....
This is the fallacy from possibility. Its not rational to believe:
1. x is more probable than y
2. y is possible
3. therefore I believe y
What you have is an argument from ignorance:
1. I dont know what other universes are like
2. Therefore, we are here by chance
It doesnt follow.
We IDers have an argument from analogy:
1. like causes spawn like effects
2. intelligence is the only thing that can fine-tune
3. the universe is fine-tuned
4. therefore the universe is the result of intelligence
Whoever said that "Brain = Consciousness" except for yourself? All I remember is someone saying that consciousness is a property of a brain.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Incorrect. Your logic is flawed.
Nobody knows the probability that the constants are what they are. Maybe they have to be what they are. So premise 1 is incorrect
Again incorrect. That is not my argument.
Nobody knows if other universes exist.
Wow, you are batting .000. For the third time your logic is flawed.
We don't know if the universe is fine tuned, so premise 3 is wrong.
@ThinkForYourself:
You know what:
Go back, and read his response to my objections. They are the exaclty the same.
And I don't mean "the same content"... I mean, word by word.
He even used the same "What you have hear is an argument from ignorance..." phrasing (even though my argument wasn't even close to an argument from ignorance) as he does here.
You know why his response doesn't match with what you've said?
Because if you go here:
Is fine-tuning a fallacy? | Uncommon Descent
you'll find the EXACT SAME response AGAIN in the comment section.
I don't know where this text originally came from, and originally it might have adressed an actual argument from ignorance... but here it doesn't. It never has.
JimFit isn't interessted in an honest exchange. He doesn't even care if his responses matches the answer you've originally given him, because if he did he couldn't just copy paste it.
There is no point in trying to adress what he said. He won't do the same either, and therefore you are bound to just talk past each other.
Do with that information what you want, I just thought you should know how demonstrable his unwillingness to actually engage is.
Again, the atheists are like robots, they have the same stupid arguments against the Fine Tuning, gamblers fallacy, delusional Universes that floating inside soap bubbles and quantum woo. Therefor i can copy and paste the same answers for the same questions. If something has been proven is that atheists have the same arguments like fundamental Christians.
Nope. You can't.
And this is the major flaw of your... "thinking" (if it can be called that).
You see certain key words (like multiverse, probabilities, etc...) and then just copy paste some answer that in some way adresses vaguely the key-word you've just heard.
If you did, what most people here try to do, which is actually encaging with arguments and read (and espeically TRY TO UNDERSTAND) what they are trying to say... then you would notice how far from actually adressing the arguments your copy-pasted catch-phrases are.
Not to forget: Your catch-phrases have been adressed and many flaws with them have been pointed out by many people before, without you ever giving a proper defence for it.
That's why I'm starting to assume that any discourse with you is pointless, because you don't think along or try to understand, you just repeat mantras.
That's not any sort of appropriate behavior, and it's not usefull for anybody (not even for you... because you simply can't convince anybody if you just leave a trace of failure behind you, that you refuse to clean up).
I, for example, think at this point that your position is indefensible. Because I've posted many objections, and you never replied to them. You've copy pasted some mantras, sure, but since they don't adress my points, I can only assume that you simply CAN'T adress my points, and therefore I have to conclude that your position doesn't hold up.
If you want to actually convince anybody of the validity of your position or defend your position (and if you don't... why are you even here?), then you HAVE to actually talk to people. Adress their points and respond to their positions. NOT just throw around buzz-words and memorized responses.
Maybe you'll learn for the future... although I have my doubts about that, because I hardly doubt that you are even going to read this comment or try to understand it.
I think you mistake his purpose for being here.
"If you want to actually convince anybody of the validity of your position or defend your position..."
I gave two options...
And I can't see a third one. Either you are trying to defend your position, or your are trying to convince people... or both.
Why else would you be here?
But somehow you have a "sure winner" on your hands in spite of the fact your inflation entity is "fine tuned" to the tune of 10 to the 100th power!
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