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[Hint: Science has completely rejected YECism both on counter evidence and a lack of evidence.]I would answer to use Science to help you understand the Bible & the message God has for you today. If Science supports YEC then that is the best explaination. Just like everything in Science something better may come along, but for now the best we can do is our best explanation.
Wait, why have you thrown out polytheists?Hebrews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the same God. Everyone else is polytheistic. So there is only one God.
He's talking that great part of the population believes/believed (until "recently" when most of the people started believing in evolution) in the creation and in that part of the bible. Christians and jews do, and i don't know about muslims but i do now that at least some of them see their religion as an advance of christianity, same way christians see themselfs as a better version of judaism. So you could say it is universaly accepted, the bible. Most of them who accept it are not scientists (or the scientists who believe it most of them don't try to mix it with science, and the ones who do aren't very successful). Most of them don't even interprete the bible literally. But yeah, universal. But it doesn't even matter, even if most of the people believed it, as i said, it isn't "universal" that long, it wasn't spread through philosophy or science but through violence and politics. So, not very good argument for several reasons.[Hint: Science has completely rejected YECism both on counter evidence and a lack of evidence.]
Christian creationism is also not even close to universally accepted. At best 33% of the world is christian, and a large percentage of them accept evolution. What are you talking about?
Ok, the Earth is not Young. Yet GAP has a very literal interpretation of Gen Ch 1 and they still accept whatever science has to say about the age of the earth.[Hint: Science has completely rejected YECism both on counter evidence and a lack of evidence.]
That's one way to explain observed fact. It is also not the least likely explanation, and has almost no evidence behind it. Also, what makes a GAP theory interpretation the right one?Ok, the Earth is not Young. Yet GAP has a very literal interpretation of Gen Ch 1 and they still accept whatever science has to say about the age of the earth.
Science disagrees. The evolution of the eye is well understood, and from its original form in our distance ancestor, it has evolved multiple additions and variations throughout the various branches in the tree of life - squid have W-shaped irises to observe polarised light, for instance.But the simple eye turns into a complex eye in many different species without common decent.
The First Law of Thermodynamics is an empirical law - it is open to violation as any of the other conservation laws humans have proposed (such as parity or charge conjugation). The Law of Cause and Effect is another type of law, and that has been disproven - quantum mechanics shows us that there are indeed events that occur without a cause. It is therefore fallacious to suppose that there must have been a cause.The very first law is First Cause. First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The universe is a self contained system, the energy had to come from somewhere. All of the universe is an effect and a effect requires a cause.
Only the most intelligent and educated? Please, I'm not interested in a numbers game. For the purposes of this discussion, the onus is on you to demonstrate that the universe is fine-tuned.Then Hawking is wrong again. Of course it is only the most intelligent and most educated that say the universe is fine tuned. Because they see how finely balanced everything is. Just for one cell to communicate with another cell is complicated.
So, if he died for everyone's sins, then everyone is saved, right? Or is there some other clause or caveat you're not telling us?Because Jesus is the only way to be saved. If you lived before Christ you looked forward to the sacrifice He made on the cross. If your alive after calvery then you look back to the work He did there for us.
Jesus is the way the truth and eternal life and there is no other way to be saved. Christianity does not save you, Jesus is the only one that can save you. He paid the price for our sins at Calavery so we can be saved.
That was actually Francis Collins belief based on: "The fine tuning of the constants which govern nature; all of which are required to have a very specific value in order for us to be here to observe the universe." Although lots of scientists believe in a fine turned universe. Collins just uses the fine tuned universe as evidence for God.Why would you think the universe is fine-tuned?
The word is "Whosover" Whosoever is willing let them come.So, if he died for everyone's sins, then everyone is saved, right? Or is there some other clause or caveat you're not telling us?
Because the natural laws are the way that God expresses Himself. We all deal with the law of God if we believe in God or not.
But you do realise that whether or not it actually was fine tuned, it would always look like it was to someone observing it?That was actually Francis Collins belief based on: "The fine tuning of the constants which govern nature; all of which are required to have a very specific value in order for us to be here to observe the universe." Although lots of scientists believe in a fine turned universe. Collins just uses the fine tuned universe as evidence for God.
Hawkings would argue that the fine tuned universe is a produce of the natural laws. Collins would reply if you believe in the natural laws of the universe, then you believe in God. Because the natural laws are the way that God expresses Himself. We all deal with the law of God if we believe in God or not.
Ah. So, even though God died for my sins, I'm still not saved, because I'm not a Christian? Why is belief a prerequisite for salvation? Did Jesus die for my sins or not?The word is "Whosover" Whosoever is willing let them come.
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely." rev 22 17
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
It was Hawking that talks about the natural laws that created the universe. I assume what you mean is that you do not accept Collins belief that God created the Universe though Natural Laws. Or that the Natual Laws are evidence for God.This "trump card", without evidence, sure is getting annoying.
I do not know if your saved or not. That is between you and God.Ah. So, even though God died for my sins, I'm still not saved, because I'm not a Christian? Why is belief a prerequisite for salvation? Did Jesus die for my sins or not?
On the contrary, you seem to have way more information that little old me. What does one need to do to be saved? Apparently, whosoever believes in Jesus will have everlasting life. What does that mean, exactly? Do I have to believe Jesus existed?I do not know if your saved or not. That is between you and God.
You have to work it out with Him, that has nothing to do with me.
You have to talk to Science about the fine tuned univese. From what I understand they have everything balanced within a billioneth now a days. If it is more then a Billioneth off, it will not work.But you do realise that whether or not it actually was fine tuned, it would always look like it was to someone observing it?
You started and ended this post alright; but in the middle, you did some hefty advertising for evolution.God has not been disproved, but to the contrary, there exists much support for His existence within the findings of modern science. (See some of the evidence for God at www,rareuniverse,org)
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