A few Questions

[thejesusfish90]

Hey Guys...

I have a friend who is interested in converting to messianic judaism...and I have just a few questions I'd like to ask you guys over a few things...

1. This has always puzzled me...why do you only say g-d...rather then saying it all? Is it to do with using his name in vain?

2. What is your position on the churches of today...How do you guys view them...Ie not christian...Brothers...or in the grey area...?

3. What is your position over the necessitie of observing days/traditions...ie strick observance of a friday-saturday sabbath as opposed to the christian sunday, loose observance (my mum discourages me from going out on sabbath, but we still do work on sundays), and passover...It is something someone must do if one wishes to truly follow jesus?

4. Do you guys consider the protestant christian bible as being the whole word of the lord...or are there other materials...

5. Do you guys abide/agree with the entire nicene creed?

6. Oh and finally why dont you guys use the english names of jesus/g-d and the old testement (torah?) and new testement? It is a respect for god issue?

I must say that your system of beliefs has a great deal of appeal amoungst alot of believers...many (sometimes myself) for instance wonder if its right that we do any work on the sabbath, and if the chrisitian church maybe has taken jesus' view of the sabbath just a bit too far...

In Christ (or as you say Shalom (sorry, what does that mean aswell... )

Chris

 

[visionary]

Hey Guys...

I have a friend who is interested in converting to messianic judaism...and I have just a few questions I'd like to ask you guys over a few things...

1. This has always puzzled me...why do you only say g-d...rather then saying it all? Is it to do with using his name in vain?

Yes, It is respectful of His name.

2. What is your position on the churches of today...How do you guys view them...Ie not christian...Brothers...or in the grey area...?

not yet prodical sons of the Father who have turned this direction to come home.

3. What is your position over the necessitie of observing days/traditions...ie strick observance of a friday-saturday sabbath as opposed to the christian sunday, loose observance (my mum discourages me from going out on sabbath, but we still do work on sundays), and passover...It is something someone must do if one wishes to truly follow jesus?

Wise mother, observing what God has commanded to do, give enlightenment into the "shadow of things to come" and a better understanding of how it really is, while traditions of Rabbis just gives it the appearance of Jewish.

4. Do you guys consider the protestant christian bible as being the whole word of the lord...or are there other materials...

We use it along with others and dig deeply into the original Word to get as true a meaning as possible.

5. Do you guys abide/agree with the entire nicene creed?

we go, working towards, for the apostalic faith which is older than the catholic version.

6. Oh and finally why dont you guys use the english names of jesus/g-d and the old testement (torah?) and new testement? It is a respect for god issue?

As we learn Hebrew, we use the hebrew language, and so you will find it sprinkled in our conversation.

I must say that your system of beliefs has a great deal of appeal amoungst alot of believers...many (sometimes myself) for instance wonder if its right that we do any work on the sabbath, and if the chrisitian church maybe has taken jesus' view of the sabbath just a bit too far...

Conviction must come from the Lord to each individual believers and they must follow their convictions. We are all coming many directions and heading home to our heavenly Father whom Yeshua said we must worship in spirit and in truth.

In Christ (or as you say Shalom (sorry, what does that mean aswell... )

Shalom Aleichem..a greeting and blessing it means " May peace be unto you"

Welcome Chris, may you find the peace that passes all understanding. MAy your walk with Yeshua be blessed with revelations of truth, that help you maturity into the full statue of He who is able to save to the uttermost. May the indwelling of the Holy Spirit continual to lead and guide your life into heavenly holiness of pure truth that shines in your life for all to see. If ever given the choice always follow Yeshua, for it is a narrow path, and in it is eternal righteousness. May you experience Rev 3:20 in a personal way.

And may God continue to bless your search for all the gems of truth to be found.

Visionary




Chris

 

[Henaynei]

Hey Guys...

I have a friend who is interested in converting to messianic judaism...and I have just a few questions I'd like to ask you guys over a few things...

Earnest questions are always welcome!

1. This has always puzzled me...why do you only say g-d...rather then saying it all? Is it to do with using his name in vain?

It is in honor of G-d's name - there are many who claim to be god, especially in today's world and multitudinous faiths - but there is only one True and Unique G-d - and it is respect for His name as well

2. What is your position on the churches of today...How do you guys view them...Ie not christian...Brothers...or in the grey area...?

All who obey Yeshua/Jesus are brothers. Those who consider us apostate or having left the faith because we follow "the faith of Yeshua rather than a faith about Yeshua" are still considered to probably be brothers, though sadly ones who have little fellowship with us

3. What is your position over the necessity of observing days/traditions...ie strick observance of a friday-saturday sabbath as opposed to the christian sunday, loose observance (my mum discourages me from going out on sabbath, but we still do work on sundays), and passover...It is something someone must do if one wishes to truly follow jesus?

HaShem/G-d gave the seventh day as the sabbath - He never ordained Sunday. Now, I do not say that all believers must keep the Shabbat, but *IF* they keep the Shabbat they need to learn what the Shabbat is and how to honor it, and then do it

4. Do you guys consider the protestant christian bible as being the whole word of the lord...or are there other materials...

the entire bible is the Word of HaShem - the difference is that most MJs consider the T'NaKah (aka OT) to have equal or greater weight as the Brit Chadasha/Ketuvim Natzrim (aka NT). For many of us the "middle wall of partition" is also that blank page between the OT and the NT - to most of us it is all one.

5. Do you guys abide/agree with the entire nicene creed?

The vast majority of MJs believe that Yeshua is HaShem/G-d - many do not ascribe to a Trinitarian view however. How that works out has been discussed many times here and there are many threads you can search out that will shed light on it

6. Oh and finally why dont you guys use the english names of jesus/g-d and the old testement (torah?) and new testement? It is a respect for god issue?

We follow a Jewish faith - the language of the Jewish faith is Hebrew. Thus you will find many Hebrew words used routinely in discourse and teaching

I must say that your system of beliefs has a great deal of appeal amoungst alot of believers...many (sometimes myself) for instance wonder if its right that we do any work on the sabbath, and if the chrisitian church maybe has taken jesus' view of the sabbath just a bit too far...

In Christ (or as you say Shalom (sorry, what does that mean aswell... )

Chris

One slight correction here - MJism is trying to following Yeshua's (Jesus') view of many things, including the Shabbat. He is Jewish and lived as an Orthodox Jew as did his folowers. You can't take *His* view of the Shabbat too far. However, the Church (initally the Roman Church, but all her daughters followed her, even today) shunned the Shabbat and chose Sunday as the day to worship. They did take a misunderstanding (because they left the Jewish brothers and Judaism out of it) of Shabbat into their Sunday observances and as such they have come away with a some what skewed view of what a "set apart" day is and it's purpose

Shalom means several things: literally: peace, but also used as hello and goodbye...

b'Shalom (in peace)
Henaynei

 

[mjterry87]

Basically we are Jews who believe in Jesus.

 

[num_me_vexo]

i happen to be that friend Chris is talking about just 4 the record.
actually i have a question 2, in acts it says those who recieved the holy ghost could speak in tounges, i cant speak in tounges, am i not saved?

 

[muffler dragon]

Basically we are Jews who believe in Jesus.

Dear mjterry:

Be careful with making assertions such as these. It's a broad misinterpretation that gets us nowhere.

m.d.

 

[visionary]

The Lord uses tongues to speak to those who have not heard, have you come across such an instance where you needed to talk another language so that God's message can be passed on. if not...worry not...for if the time comes... the gift will be available for you to use. with multitudes gathered at the Pentacost...all speaking different languages, it was important that everyone didn't have a language barrior stopping them from hearing God's message, and so the apostles were given the gift of tongues. If I remember correctly, they say the the Ten Commandments were given from mount sinai in 70 languages, sounded like many waters, and from the upper room it was more????

 

[Henaynei]

i happen to be that friend Chris is talking about just 4 the record.
actually i have a question 2, in acts it says those who recieved the holy ghost could speak in tounges, i cant speak in tounges, am i not saved?

For the record MJism does not believe you *must* speak in tongues. There are MJs who do and those who don't speak in tongues. It is just not a very pivotal issue in MJism. If you have deep questions on *that* topic I suggest a place with more intimate involvement to ask those questions might be the Pentecostal or Charismatic forums

However, you are *quite* welcome here!!!!

 

[num_me_vexo]

thank u Henaynei

 

[P_G]

i happen to be that friend Chris is talking about just 4 the record.
actually i have a question 2, in acts it says those who recieved the holy ghost could speak in tounges, i cant speak in tounges, am i not saved?

Please don't ever beleive that heresy.

My fingers would cramp long before I got done telling you why it was so very untrue.
Love Ha'Shem - Accept his mercy and graciousness as shown by his son Y'shua
Love your brother deeply and completely.

This is what will describe you as part of the family of Gd

Read this and understand what it says:

1Co 13:1 If I speak with the languages of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.


Blessings

Pastor George

 

[simchat_torah]

1Co 13:1 If I speak with the languages of men and of angels...

The Kadosha

 

[mjterry87]

Basically we are Jews who believe in Jesus.

For the sake of truth, the above is not exactly true.

 

[visionary]

Spiritual Jews....see Yeshua in the Torah
Jews.......see Torah
Christians.......see Jesus without

When Yeshua is crowned King, then they say they will keep all the Laws of His Kingdom. But right now they are living on His good graces.

 

[num_me_vexo]

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The Kadosha

the what?

 

[simchat_torah]

The Kadosha is a very intimate prayer in Judaism. Kadosh means holy. A Jew will stand on his feet and rock back and forth 3 times, each time simply saying "Kadosh".

Kadosh Kadosh Kadosh....

Holy Holy Holy. You see this prayer in visions of Heaven. This prayer is called the Kadosha. In various texts of Rabbinic Literature this prayer is nicknamed "The tongues of men and angels" because we pray it here on Earth and it is also recited in by the heavenly hosts (angels).

The Kadosha.

shalom,
yafet

 

[num_me_vexo]

do messianics follow the talmud as well as the bible?

 

[Bon]

do messianics follow the talmud as well as the bible?

Some do and some dont.

Welcome num-me-vexo,

Acts 2:4 says that they began to speak in OTHER tongues.
Now go on to read verses 5-13. This explains that they were speaking in languages that they initially could not speak. They were given the gift of other tongues to spread the "mighty works of Yahweh" to the visitors from other nations.

Shalom from Bon

 

[simchat_torah]

Acts 2:4 says that they began to speak in OTHER tongues.
Now go on to read verses 5-13. This explains that they were speaking in languages that they initially could not speak. They were given the gift of other tongues to spread the "mighty works of Yahweh" to the visitors from other nations.

This verse is completely unrelated to I Cor. 13, which I referenced. If you believe in tongues, that is fine... I come from a charasmatic background too... but I wasn't making an argument against tongues, merely pointing out that I Cor. 13 does not reference the charasmatic view of speaking in tongues.

-yafet

 

[debi b]

This was an interesting article:

(quoted in part)

Spiritual Gifts A Hebraic Perspective
September/October 2000
Bikurei Tziyon
By Moshe Pesach

Meturganeen/Speaker of Tongues

Sha’ul was teaching communities which were not in Israel. However, the prayers and Torah readings in their services were in Hebrew and most of these new believers did not speak Hebrew. The synagogue congregations needed Hebrew speakers who were also gifted in Greek, Aramaic, Latin, etc. When the Torah was read, the meturganeen translated it into the language of the people attending (often with some paraphrasing). This is how, through similar circumstances, we have our Targum (Aramaic paraphrases). Without a meturganeen, the Torah reading, sermon, liturgy would be meaningless to the congregants. This translation thus edified the community. Their multi-language, multi-cultural synagogue members needed to understand one another. This was a major issue in the synagogue…

 

[Bon]

This verse is completely unrelated to I Cor. 13, which I referenced. If you believe in tongues, that is fine... I come from a charasmatic background too... but I wasn't making an argument against tongues, merely pointing out that I Cor. 13 does not reference the charasmatic view of speaking in tongues.

-yafet

i do not...not in the way the charasmatics do.
Shalom from Bon