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No doubt because, being of the House of Israel, she was familiar with everything about their history and was also awaiting a messiah. Jesus was intent on reaching all 12 tribes, not just the Jews. He wanted to reunite the House of Israel and to this day those of Judah still scoff at the concept.And yet, her heart was open to God's leading.
I do not mean to say that all doctrines are acceptable to God. That would not be true. Nor do I mean to count as among God's sheep those who knowingly teach things which are not Biblical.
The example I would give is quite illustrative of what I mean: the Samaritan woman. The woman at the well had been ostracized, not just by the Jews, who would not have allowed a Samaritan anywhere near their Temple, but also by many in her own community. We do not know her full story, but very possibly she was not even attending religious services. And yet, her heart was open to God's leading.
What I mean by saying that there are some of God's people in every church is simply this: honest, sincere believers who are doing their best to live up to the light which they have and know. God's people may not be correct on every point, but God winks at their ignorance. When light (or opportunity for it) comes, however, it is their duty to accept it--and God's true followers will be happy to do so.
This is not so according to my best info and I have studied these things rather in-depth. A lot of people believe as you say, namely that the CC did not exist from the beginning, but there is only ONE Church and of course it existed from the beginning. I keep asking Protestants to show me the church that goes back to the beginning of Christian history and none of them claims that any non-Catholic church does.Actually, the Catholic church was not immediately established. Nor was it the continuation of the apostles when it did establish itself.
This is not so according to my best info and I have studied these things rather in-depth. A lot of people believe as you say, namely that the CC did not exist from the beginning, but there is only ONE Church and of course it existed from the beginning. I keep asking Protestants to show me the church that goes back to the beginning of Christian history and none of them claims that any non-Catholic church does.
The first known records of it being called CAtholic are from the year 107 AD. That does not mean that the CC did not exist before 107 AD, just that history is not always kind to ancient documents and people who care for them are... human.
Just because there were no huge cathedrals back in the day, etc, doesn't mean the CC which now has such buildings did not exist. Jesus said that he would BUILD His Church... (Mt 16:18). The implication is.. more than a mere implication, namely that it was not 100% complete at the time of His departure from Earth... not hardly. He knew better than anyone that humans need TIME to learn about Him and all that His Words were meant to convey to us.
So anybody who lays claim to this lineage would have had to change something to be what it is today??And truly the first Church of God under the New Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek" didn't engage in or partake of any of these iniquities.
So anybody who lays claim to this lineage would have had to change something to be what it is today??
As we all should who seek real truth. It is ever continuous.This is not so according to my best info and I have studied these things rather in-depth.
Actually, we see in Acts 20:30, a breakaway (false church) from the real church, promoting contrary doctrines and drawing away disciples from the real church. John spoke of it as well. I John 2:18,19. Paul also lightly touched on it in II Thess.2:2-4. We need to examine the Scripture's, the Word(s) of Christ, and the early teachings of the disciples to see what could possibly be contrary.A lot of people believe as you say, namely that the CC did not exist from the beginning, but there is only ONE Church and of course it existed from the beginning.
I wouldn't put too much stock in being sure one Is necessarily the real church by it's longevity. The little horn power in Daniel reigns for a time, times, and a dividing of time (1260 yrs.). And the beast from the sea in Revelation was to reign for 42 months (1260 yrs.) until it receives a wound (1798 a.d.), which would be healed (Mussolini 1940's). After Imp. Rome...the Restrainer, comes the RCC 538ad till 1798ad when she receives a deadly wound by General Berthier. She was restored (healed)to power by Mussolini. and continues today, till the end.I keep asking Protestants to show me the church that goes back to the beginning of Christian history and none of them claims that any non-Catholic church does.
I wouldn't count on Ignatius as a reliable source. His supposed writings are highly disputed, being labeled antedated forgeries and interpolated throughout. The RCC doesn't deny it has used such strategies to maintain its power, when found out.The first known records of it being called CAtholic are from the year 107 AD. That does not mean that the CC did not exist before 107 AD, just that history is not always kind to ancient documents and people who care for them are... human.
No one disputes there was a roman church, but the embellishments that prop it up as the ONLY are called into question.Just because there were no huge cathedrals back in the day, etc, doesn't mean the CC which now has such buildings did not exist.
Every believer (ecclesia) along the way, from Pentecost forward, are His church His building. They were, and are added daily, being built up.Jesus said that he would BUILD His Church... (Mt 16:18). The implication is.. more than a mere implication, namely that it was not 100% complete at the time of His departure from Earth... not hardly.
Of course he did. The delivering of the gospel was a tedious task. But it was being published throughout. (Acts 6:7a; 10:37; 12:24; 13:49; 19:20). Blessings!He knew better than anyone that humans need TIME to learn about Him and all that His Words were meant to convey to us.
As we all should who seek real truth. It is ever continuous.
Actually, we see in Acts 20:30, a breakaway (false church) from the real church, promoting contrary doctrines and drawing away disciples from the real church. John spoke of it as well. I John 2:18,19. Paul also lightly touched on it in II Thess.2:2-4. We need to examine the Scripture's, the Word(s) of Christ, and the early teachings of the disciples to see what could possibly be contrary.
I wouldn't put too much stock in being sure one Is necessarily the real church by it's longevity. The little horn power in Daniel reigns for a time, times, and a dividing of time (1260 yrs.). And the beast from the sea in Revelation was to reign for 42 months (1260 yrs.) until it receives a wound (1798 a.d.), which would be healed (Mussolini 1940's). After Imp. Rome...the Restrainer, comes the RCC 538ad till 1798ad when she receives a deadly wound by General Berthier. She was restored (healed)to power by Mussolini. and continues today, till the end.
Besides, God woman (the true church) went into hiding for 1260 yrs. (12:14).
It's not a list of successors that determines if its God's true church, it the truth's the Scriptures speak about (gospel)that's important.
I wouldn't count on Ignatius as a reliable source. His supposed writings are highly disputed, being labeled antedated forgeries and interpolated throughout. The RCC doesn't deny it has used such strategies to maintain its power, when found out.
No one disputes there was a roman church, but the embellishments that prop it up as the ONLY are called into question.
Every believer (ecclesia) along the way, from Pentecost forward, are His church His building. They were, and are added daily, being built up.
Of course he did. The delivering of the gospel was a tedious task. But it was being published throughout. (Acts 6:7a; 10:37; 12:24; 13:49; 19:20). Blessings!
I was referring more to having rejected something in order to work with the governments of man rather than maintain being a separate entity, a true alternate choice.I'm not sure that "ADD" something would be an accurate description
Yes, yet truth remains in scriptureSo it seems the warnings of the Christ and His Disciples were true. And "many" want eternity, and want the Gift of God, and want, want, want. But they "Reject" the Path God before ordained that they should walk in. This they did first, and afterwards they went about to establish their own righteousness which would precipitate the "change" you referenced. At least this is my understanding.
Yes, yet truth remains in scripture
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
1 John 2:
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
The Catholic Church WAS immediately established. Before Christianity, most religions were based on ethnic foundations as in Greek Gods, the Roman Army's worship of Mithras, Zoroastrians from Persia, etc.Actually, the Catholic church was not immediately established.
I read this far and have a resounding NO in response.The rebellious Jews and their disobedient religious sects like the Pharisees and Sadducees did many of these things and were rejected by God for doing so. The Catholic church and her many protestant daughters engage in all of these works. This is all undeniable truth.
A good question. At one time a few years ago, I would have wondered about the Catholic Church losing its lampstand, but I do not wonder about that anymore. That's because the Real Presence of Christ is still there in at least some --maybe all (to some extent?) CCs. I know because I have been experiencing the RP for many years now, despite a heretic being at the helm. Jesus promised He would never leave us .. Mt 28:20 and other psgs. He also said that His Church would prevail over the very gates of Hell... (Mt 16:18) --very important because Satan is more powerful than human beings. We absolutely need this Church that can conquer that so and soIn Revelation God indicated that a church could loose the 'lampstand'...
How can we be sure that any church today has this in place, given that all seem to have strayed from the first love that was recorded in the first 5 chapters of Acts.
Religion gets a bad name, but it is a good word that simply means a belief system centered on God. It is true that if you approach God only through some man-made religious system and not the way HE wants you to, you will have problems. That is why the Ancient Church kept the old rituals of the Jews (not all, of course.. no animal sacrifice), only altering a thing or 2 here and there. Jesus changed afew things but not as much as a lot of Christians think.. And I have learned the hard way that one must worship God the way HE wants or.. there are big problems.Here I thought the true church was the one founded at Caesarea built upon truth only from God, truth that had always been available to all mankind, yet mankind preferred their own twisted truths that served their own purposes. They always somehow end up making everything about themselves and that too is universal. Jesu did not start a new religion but revived an old truth that even His religion of the day had twisted to serve themselves. Jesus' church stood out against all others because it did not serve the will of man nor did it comply..
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