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See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition, based on the elements of the world rather than gospel of Christ. Col 2:8
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See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition, based on the elements of the world rather than gospel of Christ. Col 2:8Yes, and many bought their positions, whereas the way of many today sell their souls to the highest bidder.
Yet Christianity within the Empire aligned itself with the Roman Empire which meant leaving the ideals of the Kingdom behind in trade for a seat at the earthly table of human government and built their own golden calf. Scripture regarding the Kingdom however as far as we know, remained unchanged. Perhaps a slip up on their part.See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition, based on the elements of the world rather than gospel of Christ. Col 2:8
Under the Protestant/Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) theological system, is it your belief, and would you agree, there exists no person or no institution that can infallibly decide what is true and what is false for Christians when it comes to matters of faith and/or morals?
If you happen to answer yes to this question, my next question would be.... under this theological system, would you agree there is no sure way you could have absolute assurance of anything you believe being true? In other words, there is no way of knowing the truth?
Yet, Jesus says, "Know the truth and the truth will set make you free." (John 8:32)
So, let me leave you with this last question: For a Christian, what is the pillar and ground of the truth - i.e., the upholder and foundation of the truth? Is it the Bible? Yes or no?
Have a Blessed day!
Instruct those in this present age not to trust in golden calves but in the living God, who richly gives us all things.Yet Christianity aligned itself with the Roman Empire which meant leaving the ideals of the Kingdom behind in trade for a seat at the earthly table of human government and built their own golden calf.
The Lord is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. Ps 145:18
In mercy the throne will be established; And One will sit on it in truth; Isa 16:5
Send out Your light and Your truth! Lead me to Your holy hill And to Your tabernacle. Ps 43:3
Lead me in Your truth for You are the God of my salvation; Ps 25:5
The nations shall bless themselves in Him in truth, And in Him they shall glory. Jer 4:2
They shall swear by the God of truth; Because the former troubles are forgotten; Isa 65:16
All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth, To such as keep His covenant and His testimonies. Ps 25:10
For the Lord is good; His mercy is everlasting, And His truth endures to all generations. Ps 100:5
Taste and see that the Lord is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him! Ps 34:8
For the life that's been reborn His love endures forever
The Bible clearly states the household of God, the Church, is the pillar and ground of the truth. Jesus gave no command to anyone to write anything, except Revelation, which was not accepted nor quoted as Scripture for 350 years.
There is no verse anywhere in the Bible that explicitly states the Bible is the sole rule of faith. "Bible alone" theology is a political invention of one man who was mentally ill and was angry with the pope, and the theory cannot be from God due to the perpetual division it has caused.
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Instruct those in this present age not to trust in golden calves but in the living God, who richly gives us all things.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, to know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 1 Cor 2:12
It is indeed the bible. Given this life experience and temptations as Paul states, "is common to man," our individual responses vary. We may benefit from the sharing of others with similar mis/adventures. Scripture indicates that we are to study to show ourselves approved. It also suggests that Holy Ghost will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind.So, let me leave you with this last question: For a Christian, what is the pillar and ground of the truth - i.e., the upholder and foundation of the truth? Is it the Bible? Yes or no?
Is the God of peace crushing Satan under your feet passage not in the Catholic Bible?Interesting Bible passage KIS144. ( 1 Cor. 2: 12)
If I may, is it your belief Christians, by the power of the Holy Spirit in the Sacrament of Baptism, are no longer subject to the "powers" of Satan that rule the world?
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Rom 16:20Have a Blessed Day/ Palm Sunday/ Holy Week.
Book, scroll, Bible, now you're splitting hairs.Thank you again KIS144 for your response. But once again, no where do I read in these passages from the Old Testament... you provided the word "Bible" is even mentioned.
In that case you will have an issue with these as well, In mercy and truth, peace is made with the Lord. Prov 16:6History shows that the canon of "the Bible" wasn't even compiled until the fourth century, buy the Catholic Church. So, this is why I must refute the use of these Old Testament passages
Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete; Hebrews 13:20-21If you find that I am in error, I welcome your rebuttal showing otherwise.
Have a Blessed Day, and a Blessed Holy Week!
It was God who chose what Paul called "The foolishness of preaching" to show us His Salvation plan for men. Since Paul also said the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.", it seems that Paul believed, as did Jesus and the rest of the Disciples, that the "Truth" of God is found in Scriptures, taught by those teachers God's Himself Chose, including His Own Son, the Christ, the Rock of Israel.
So at least according to the God and Christ "of the Bible", the answer would be YES.
Since Paul also said the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."]/quote]
Ahh yes, the Ol go to for Protestants, 2 Timothy 3:16–17, know it well, the claim of Protestants that Scripture is sufficient as a rule of faith. However, study man, an examination of this verse in context shows that it doesn’t claim that at all; it only claims Scripture is “profitable” (Greek: ophelimos), that is, helpful. (Notice that the passage nowhere even hints that Scripture is “sufficient”) I would suggest reading preceding verses 14-15 and then we could discuss 2Tim.16 further.
it seems that Paul believed, as did Jesus and the rest of the Disciples, that the "Truth" of God is found in Scriptures, taught by those teachers God's Himself Chose, including His Own Son, the Christ, the Rock of Israel.
It seems? Chapter and or verse where it says this, please.
So at least according to the God and Christ "of the Bible", the answer would be YES.
Thank you study man. By this statement of yours, I can only surmise that you are an adherent of the Protestant belief of sola scriptura. If I am correct, could you please provide us with the chapter/ verse from the bible to back up your claim that "the bible" is the pillar and ground of the truth - i.e., the upholder and foundation of the truth.
I, as a cradle Catholic don't believe that you can.
Balls in your court!!
However, if you do not believe in the Protestant doctrine of "sola scriptura" (the bible alone) my apologies.
Have a Blessed Day/Palm Sunday/and Holy Week
Answering a question by asking a question KIS144 does not help your argument, it actually gives your argument a disservice. Care to try again?Is the God of peace crushing Satan under your feet passage not in the Catholic Bible?
Apparently you have been influenced in your beliefs by the spirit of antichrist. To understand why this is so, contemplate carefully the following three passages and note how they are connected: John 4:24; Luke 24:39; 1 John 4:2-3.He made Himself known to us through Christ (God the Son)
Therefore, since the children have shared of blood and flesh, He Himself also similarly partook of the same that by his death he would destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil. Heb 2:14Answering a question by asking a question KIS144 does not help your argument, it actually gives your argument a disservice. Care to try again?
That would've given you devoted Catholics plenty of time to work this out. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. Heb 2:15-17Also KIs144, I am most interested by what you mean by "Catholic Bible." You are aware that it was the Catholic Church that compiled the Bible in the Fourth century, fifteen hundred years before Protestantism was even in existence, right?? I mean, that's historical facts!
In whom we have redemption through His blood, Col 1:13-15Have a Blessed Palm Sunday and Holy Week!
None of your replies make any sense to Fidelibus's quotes. Here's a challenge for you. Spot the fake verse:Therefore, since the children have shared of blood and flesh, He Himself also similarly partook of the same that by his death he would destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil. Heb 2:14
That would've given you devoted Catholics plenty of time to work this out. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. Heb 2:15-17
For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
In whom we have redemption through His blood, Col 1:13-15
Book, scroll, Bible, now you're splitting hairs.
Here I am, I have come. The book written on a scroll tells about me. Ps 40:7
The scroll of the prophet Isaiah 61:1 was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim the good news..." Luke 4:17-20
In that case you will have an issue with these as well, In mercy and truth, peace is made with the Lord. Prov 16:6
He will provide atonement for His land and His people. Deut 32:43
As for our transgressions, You will provide atonement for them. Ps 65:3
For it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul and I have given it to you. Lev 17:11
Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete; Hebrews 13:20-21
Thank you Palmfever for your participation. Could you please provide the chapter and verse from the Bible where it says "the Bible" is the pillar, the ground of the truth, the upholder, and foundation of the truth.It is indeed the bible.
And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, Rom 6:13Is it your belief Christians, by the power of the Holy Spirit in the Sacrament of Baptism, are no longer subject to the "powers" of Satan that rule the world?
Have a Blessed Palm Sunday and Holy Week.
Y'all are hilarious. I've made it plain as day that the truth is the gospel of Jesus Christ.None of your replies make any sense to Fidelibus's quotes. Here's a challenge for you. Spot the fake verse:
Matthew 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, show him the Bible. And if he refuses to listen even to the Bible, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
I agree. The gospel of Jesus Christ predates any written form. The Bible is a fruit of the Church, a church didn't pop out of a book. For centuries, there was no Bible as we know it, so what about all those Christians who had no Bible? What was their "pillar and ground of truth" at the time? The Church.Y'all are hilarious. I've made it plain as day that the truth is the gospel of Jesus Christ.
A lovely verse, but it still doesn't prove the Bible, and not the Church, is the pillar and ground of truth. People, the Church made the Scriptures known to all nations.Now to Him who is able to establish you according to the gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith— to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen. Rom 16:25-27
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