A fact creationists should know.

[consol]

A female Mackerel lays about 500,000 eggs at a time.

Fifth day: God commands the sea to "teem with living creatures", and birds to fly across the heavens (sixth command);
He creates birds and sea creatures, and commands them to be fruitful and multiply.

If Genesis is to be taken literally and there was no death before the fall,
the earth would have been flooded because Mackerel alone would have filled the seas,(forget the other fish)
the water level would have been raised by hundreds of feet,
so you can see how crazy it would be to take Genesis literally.

Of course this didn't happen because Genesis is only a story.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course this didn't happen because Genesis is only a story.

Either that, or Mackerel didn't exist then.

 

[Pwnzerfaust]

Either that, or Mackerel didn't exist then.

So much for creating all the kinds.

 

[consol]

Either that, or Mackerel didn't exist then.

Yes that could be the answer, God could have made other creatures sometime later,
does it say in the book that God carried on making creatures after the 7 days?
Or do you mean the Mackerel might have evolved from other fish?

So much for creating all the kinds.

Now now, it's AV's story, let him change it anyway he likes,
after all, he's the one that's got to believe it, not us.

 

[AirPo]

If Genesis is to be taken literally and there was no death before the fall,
the earth would have been flooded because Mackerel alone would have filled the seas,(forget the other fish)
the water level would have been raised by hundreds of feet,

As in global flood?

 

[Tomk80]

hehe, nice.

 

[Vene]

Hey, he can make an intelligent post. Good job consol.

To AV: Mackerel weren't created then? Doesn't that go against the Bible?
Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

 

[AV1611VET]

To AV: Mackerel weren't created then? Doesn't that go against the Bible?
Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

God created their kinds.

 

[Danyc]

God created their kinds.

Oh good, now we're one step closer to understanding what the devil a 'kind' is. We now know that mackerels are too specific a creature to be its own kind. Why is this so? What I mean to say is, what about a mackerel makes it too specific to be a kind? What are the requisites for any creature to be its own 'kind'? Apparently a 'kind' is God's taxon, but what is God's taxon? Thanks in advance.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh good, now we're one step closer to understanding what the devil a 'kind' is. We now know that mackerels are too specific a creature to be its own kind. Why is this so? What I mean to say is, what about a mackerel makes it too specific to be a kind? What are the requisites for any creature to be its own 'kind'? Apparently a 'kind' is God's taxon, but what is God's taxon? Thanks in advance.

QV please​

 

[razzelflabben]

A female Mackerel lays about 500,000 eggs at a time.

Fifth day: God commands the sea to "teem with living creatures", and birds to fly across the heavens (sixth command);
He creates birds and sea creatures, and commands them to be fruitful and multiply.

If Genesis is to be taken literally and there was no death before the fall,
the earth would have been flooded because Mackerel alone would have filled the seas,(forget the other fish)
the water level would have been raised by hundreds of feet,
so you can see how crazy it would be to take Genesis literally.

Of course this didn't happen because Genesis is only a story.

I am not interested in debating anything, I don't think Genesis is just a story not do I think it is a scientific account of creation, but I don't see the problem here. Can you explain it to me. There seems to be few things you are missing.
1. The command to be fruitful and multiply doesn't mean that on day 6 every creature gave birth. Kind of like, my son who is in the military just got his orders to go to Iraq, but that isn't to say he is leaving immediately.
2. How do we know if they had the same number of eggs then as they do now. For example, evolution says life evolved. No problem, but how do you go from 500,000 eggs, to one, two, three overnight. Isn't it equally possible that as time progressed the creator allowed (whether by intervention or design) to adapt to the surroundings.

I'm just interested in following your logic here, nothing more, please don't try to make this an argument for or against anything.

Edit: Oh, and wouldn't food supply also affect the number of offspring a creature has? so if food supply was lower, we might expect a lower number of eggs?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Either that, or Mackerel didn't exist then.

God didn't create mackeral? What did He do, sub-contract that job out on the 8th day?

 

[Split Rock]

I thought someone would say that before The Fall and The Curse fish didn't lay so many eggs. It was only after The Fall and The Curse that God changed them so they could survive in a now hostile environment. Of course, this begs the question as to what God's plans were when there was no death before The Fall and he made organisms to reproduce. Eventually, no matter how few offspring an organism produed, the earth would be overrun by life if there was no turnover.

 

[Split Rock]

A kind is a plant or animal at the top of God's taxon that contains all the genetic blueprints necessary to replenish the earth as God intended.

In early Genesis, the kinds are not easily identified, as they probably only lived for one or two generations - (but their lifespans were very long).

They would have been of the more docile, domestic kind, and certainly would not have included carnivores in their incipient stages.

These may have included such creatures as the winged horse, but that's just a guess.

By Genesis 6, the kinds would have been less docile, and leaning more toward survival in an hostile environment.

These kinds would have included the animals that are not currently mentioned in man's taxons; such as behemoth, leviathan, fowled bats, four-legged grasshoppers, satyrs, unicorns, et. al.
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Magic The Gathering proves AVET is correct.

A Winged Horse:
http://www.magicthegathering.speedyweb.com/Tempest/TEArmoredPegasus.jpg

A Behemoth:
http://www.magicthegathering.speedyweb.com/Nemesis/NESkyshroudBehemoth.jpg

A Leviathan:
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAG5TH/leviathan.jpg

A Fowled Bat:
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAGPO2/dakmor_bat.jpg

A Satyr:
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAGMER/lumbering_satyr.jpg

A Unicorn:
http://www.magicthegathering.speedyweb.com/IceAge/IAAdarkarUnicorn.jpg

 

[AV1611VET]

Eventually, no matter how few offspring an organism produed, the earth would be overrun by life if there was no turnover.

Overpopulation --- a term we all came to fear in the 70s, when the Club of Rome dominated our thinking. Not a thing has changed, has it?

 

[Split Rock]

Overpopulation --- a term we all came to fear in the 70s, when the Club of Rome dominated our thinking. Not a thing has changed, has it?

Are you denying the obvious fact that if organisms reproduce and never die, that the planet's capacity to support life would eventually be overcome?

 

[consol]

Overpopulation --- a term we all came to fear in the 70s, when the Club of Rome dominated our thinking. Not a thing has changed, has it?

Are you denying the obvious fact that if organisms reproduce and never die, that the planet's capacity to support life would eventually be overcome?

You can't blame AV, denial and word blindness are just two of the many traits that are required if he is to be a creationist,
he knows he's doing it, but he can live with it because his religion is everything to him, whatever it takes, he will do,
he knows that without his religion he is nothing, a nonentity, and like the rest of us, he won't even leave a stain,
nothing to show he even existed, at least his religion gives him hope.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you denying the obvious fact that if organisms reproduce and never die, that the planet's capacity to support life would eventually be overcome?

No --- but God would not let that happen.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can't blame AV, denial and word blindness are just two of the many traits that are required if he is to be a creationist,
he knows he's doing it, but he can live with it because his religion is everything to him, whatever it takes, he will do,
he knows that without his religion he is nothing, a nonentity, and like the rest of us, he won't even leave a stain,
nothing to show he even existed, at least his religion gives him hope.

Go ahead and make your adhoms, I guarantee you that whatever you accuse me of, my challenges show there are three fingers pointing right back.

 

[consol]

No --- but God would not let that happen.

Go ahead and make your adhoms, I guarantee you that whatever you accuse me of, my challenges show there are three fingers pointing right back.

See what I mean? you won't get that kind of dedication unless you're born to it, AV was bred to be a creationist.

His life is his religion, without his religion, he would have no life.