A&E is intolerant...

[RDKirk]

Personally I would like to call on all christans to boycott not only that show but every show on A&E until he is reinstated

Why should I as a Christian support someone who approved of Jim Crow laws, which were in opposition to Galatians 3:28 and Colossians 3:11?

I say, "Boot him off!"

So there.

 

[Cearbhall]

Personally I would like to call on all christans to boycott not only that show but every show on A&E until he is reinstated

That's your prerogative, but good luck getting all Christians behind that when a fair portion are in favor of LGBT rights.

First, please provide a link to the poll, with questions and the spread of people polled.

Of course. Here you go:

• 60% of American Catholics and 56% of the general adult population support it according to National (US) Poll - October 4, 2013 - U.S. Catholics Back Pope On Ch | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
• 52% of Americans according to In U.S., 52% Back Law to Legalize Gay Marriage in 50 States
• 55% of Americans Poll: Supreme Court decisions in sync with Americans on gay marriage but not Voting Rights
• 53% of Americans Poll: 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage - CBS News
• 58% of Americans Do you think it should be legal or illegal for gay and lesbian couples to get married? - The Washington Post

Most of the links include the questions. There really hasn't been any doubt that it's over 50% for several years now.

 

[Cearbhall]

Prove the above statement. Prove that what Phil Robertson said was done so out of homophobia, or that anyone else who feels the same is homophobic. Otherwise this is a false statement. I've seen this more and more in my day to day life, and these types of comments are used to silence the other side. So prove it.

Having a phobia means you're irrationally afraid of something. I can't prove whether he's against it because of his fear of Hell, the moral degradation of society, AIDS, or whatever else, but there's no rational reason to say what he said.

I'm not silencing anyone unless I get the government involved, by the way.

 

[Metal Minister]

Having a phobia means you're irrationally afraid of something. I can't prove whether he's against it because of his fear of Hell, the moral degradation of society, AIDS, or whatever else, but there's no rational reason to say what he said.

Then your statement is false. There is also the point that he is a God fearing Christian, and God has said that homosexuality is a sin. Something that never seems to cross your mind. I would suggest you cease throwing labels like "homophobe" around unless you have evidence to back them up. Your uninformed assumption does not qualify as evidence.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10

Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

This however, is evidence of God's view on sin, of which homosexuality is one.

 

[Marius27]

First, please provide a link to the poll, with questions and the spread of people polled.
Second, the last study (iirc) showed the homosexual community is between 1-5% of the US population. That's the small percentage I'm talking about. Besides, approval of one aspect, does not equal approval of all aspects, but now we're getting off topic, and vearing dangerously close to discussion of homosexuality. Let's get back on topic.

The LGBT community probably makes up closer to 10% of the population. You're ignoring those who won't admit those attractions, or are unaware of them. And I think bisexuality is way underreported.

Regardless, Jews make up less than 2% of the population, Asians 4%, Blacks 12%. Since when does population size determine a group's value?

 

[Marius27]

Then your statement is false. There is also the point that he is a God fearing Christian, and God has said that homosexuality is a sin. Something that never seems to cross your mind. I would suggest you cease throwing labels like "homophobe" around unless you have evidence to back them up. Your uninformed assumption does not qualify as evidence.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10

Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

This however, is evidence of God's view on sin, of which homosexuality is one.

1 Corinthians did not refer to gays until the 1940s, and clearly the translation you just quoted doesn't include Lesbians, and therefore by definition cannot be an outright condemnation on "homosexuality" since lesbians are homosexuals. Clear proof of bias.

 

[Willie T]

The LGBT community probably makes up closer to 10% of the population. You're ignoring those who won't admit those attractions, or are unaware of them. And I think bisexuality is way underreported.

Regardless, Jews make up less than 2% of the population, Asians 4%, Blacks 12%. Since when does population size determine a group's value?

What would you say DOES?

 

[Saleena]

To quote Kitkatmatt

"And nothing of value was lost!" - The Critic - YouTube

 

[Supreme]

Point or order.

Unless something new happened he has been suspended, not fired. They are different.

And the cynical side of me says if A & E does this right they can milk the publicity for weeks while keeping the guy in the long run.

Well, a suspension for airing your views is bad enough imo. Unless I'm missing something, and this man's views about homosexuals actively affect his job performance.

 

[Cearbhall]

Then your statement is false. There is also the point that he is a God fearing Christian, and God has said that homosexuality is a sin.

And I think your statement that God said that is false. Prove it.

I would suggest you cease throwing labels like "homophobe" around unless you have evidence to back them up. Your uninformed assumption does not qualify as evidence.

Sorry, I'll have to disregard that suggestion. I gave you more evidence than you can give me, after all.

 

[Metal Minister]

1 Corinthians did not refer to gays until the 1940s, and clearly the translation you just quoted doesn't include Lesbians, and therefore by definition cannot be an outright condemnation on "homosexuality" since lesbians are homosexuals. Clear proof of bias.

First, you're saying that because they didn't have a word for "lesbian" it invalidated God's word? Ridiculous. Secondly, the original term "effeminate" was the term that referred to the passive partner in a homosexual relationship. The words men who have sex with men (in the NIV I provided) translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts. Now again, we are into homosexuality, and not only off topic, but violating the rules.

 

[Metal Minister]

And I think your statement that God said that is false. Prove it.

Sorry, I'll have to disregard that suggestion. I gave you more evidence than you can give me, after all.

You've given me zero evidence aside from your opinion. Sorry, that's not evidence.

 

[Cearbhall]

You've given me zero evidence aside from your opinion. Sorry, that's not evidence.

I gave you a logical conclusion. You gave me a verse written by a human thousands of years ago. You can't really ask for more when you don't have any evidence yourself. Am I supposed to take your request seriously when you would tell me to go by faith alone when it comes to Christianity?

 

[George95]

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[Metal Minister]

I gave you a logical conclusion. You gave me a verse written by a human thousands of years ago. You can't really ask for more when you don't have any evidence yourself.

No, you ASSUMED he made the statement out of an irrational fear of homosexuals. You did not provide a logical conclusion, you committed the fallacy of begging the question.

 

[Cearbhall]

He says he doesn't understand it and that it is a sin. He may, though I am not sure of this, lump all the sins he mentioned together and say they are equally bad . So drunkards, adulterers and beast lovers are no different than homosexuals to him. That seems to be the gist of it. Did I miss something that was more negative than this?

No, that's basically it. He's equating an involuntary sexual orientation and consensual sex acts with acts that are very harmful to other people. It's pretty insulting.

So... you complain that the First Amendment got trampled by A&E (even though it didn't) and now you want to "trample" 2 parts of the same amendment by violating their Freedom of Speech and Association?

Yeah, I'm not seeing how a boycott is any different than what A&E is doing.

No, you ASSUMED he made the statement out of an irrational fear of homosexuals. You did not provide a logical conclusion, you committed the fallacy of begging the question.

It's perfectly logical because there isn't any other type of fear of LGBT people (at least, not in terms of them being LGBT, which is what he was talking about).

 

[KitKatMatt]

We should be discussing about what things a person can say to state or assert their opinion/beliefs, without coming off as crass and trashy and possibly tarnishing the face of their employer.

 

[Metal Minister]

It's perfectly logical because there isn't any other type of fear of LGBT people (at least, not in terms of them being LGBT).

Begging the Question, again.
Wow, that you don't see it speaks volumes. You ASSUME he has an IRRATIONAL FEAR of homosexuals as the only explanation. I provided other alternatives.

 

[hollyda]

We should be discussing about what things a person can say to state or assert their opinion/beliefs, without coming off as crass and trashy and possibly tarnishing the face of their employer.

What I'm getting is the way something is said only matters if the person is Christian and receives negative repercussions as a result. People defending Mr. Robertson don't seem to care about the way he worded his statement, or understand how employees represent their employer's, regardless of the forum. Stating one is against homosexuality is one thing. Going on about it the way he did is something else.

 

[Metal Minister]

We should be discussing about what things a person can say to state or assert their opinion/beliefs, without coming off as crass and trashy and possibly tarnishing the face of their employer.

I agree, he could've said what he believed in a much more tactful way. Though it doesn't appear that tact is in his vocabulary! Lol!