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which is why I said in the power of the indwelling HS and that that was encouraged by self discipline but self discipline itself was not enough....hum.....I wonder what in my words is so convicting that so many are struggling with them?Since the fall, no mere man is able perfectly to obey the commands of God, but does daily break them in thought, word, and deed.
Yes one person manage to be sinless for 33 years .Outside of being in a coma (which I'm sure some people would consider sinful for some reason), can a full-grown adult be spiritually disciplined enough to go one or more consecutive days without sinning inwardly and outwardly?
Someone found this bible quote optimistic..... Let me give another optimistic bible quote:
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
Peace to you.Just because the flesh is weak does not mean I have to give into it...that is the point.
Look at the OP question...can we go one or more consecutive days without sin. To argue that I am wrong is to argue that God does not have the power to keep us from temptation for one or more days in a row....why then are we taught by Christ Himself to pray that God would keep us from temptation? (Lord's prayer) Of course we can be without sin for one or more consecutive days in the power of the Living God...that does not mean we do so...just because we sin from time to time does not mean that we can't or haven't gone one or more days in the power of the Living God without sin.
You act like admitting that God has the power to keep us from sin that it somehow diminishes our need to confess and repent when we do sin which is something I find very distasteful which might be why we are still discussing this.
Yes. The Lord doesn't ask that much of us.Outside of being in a coma (which I'm sure some people would consider sinful for some reason), can a full-grown adult be spiritually disciplined enough to go one or more consecutive days without sinning inwardly and outwardly?
I'll give it my best shot.To tell someone that it is not possible to stop sinning, and that trying not to, is ok.......is the same as condoling the occasional sin.
Maybe God put this issue in his heart to ponder......Maybe God is trying to set him apart for His work. Maybe you hindered God's plan by introducing the idea that sin is ok if done in moderation and that every "saved" person does it and cant stop.
I appreciate your doubts, as it assures me that I Am closer to the path that few find.
You cannot get me to boost about God's workings. I will say this, however..... I do not push my shortcomings on others. Even if I found that I cant do something...I would still encourage you to do it. It would be selfish of me to try to hold you back from God's blessings because i could not live up to the standards.
So it matters not whether or not I sin...I still encourage you to "Be Ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect"
My post is number 4.what do you not understand about my posts or are you just trying to be inflammatory and insulting?
Like everyone in the world, I still live in the flesh...I still battle the fleshly desires...we all do but doing battle means that we have been given the tools to overcome and that is all we are talking about here.
In relation to what I am actually saying without your reinterpretations applied, you are saying that God has not given us the power to not sin so anytime temptation comes just give in cause God doesn't really care....I do NOT think for a moment that you really believe that, but hey, maybe you do...please, clarify for us your position since you can't accurately represent mine.
Which day was it that you didn't sin?Yes. The Lord doesn't ask that much of us.
You were doing good until you added your interpretation.....You should have left it with just the scripture. If you felt you were correcting or going against my post....You were going against God and scripture, as I only quoted a verse without no opinion.1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
When God saved you he gave you birth of spirit and spirit of God does not sin , but he is not murderer and did not murder your old fleshly one birth from woman , so that one will die while the second one will never sin and will be risen up from grave .
That's why Christians fight flesh . It cannot inherit .
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Your flesh will always sin but spirit can't .
Maybe I should ask you to define sin. I would define sin as breaking a commandment of the Lord. I have broken his commandments, but I'm not aware that I broke one yesterday.Which day was it that you didn't sin?
But it is essentially impossible to reach perfection while in the flesh.
Check Romans 7:18-20 for that. Paul addresses the issue of us never being able to be free from sin while we inhabit our flesh. Even the most devout Christian will stumble from time to time. What matters is that we come back in repentance.
It does not mean that we may grow lax and sin. No. We must fight it. What I am saying is that we will never be fully victorious until the very end, when we will enter a world that is free from sin.
Yes one person manage to be sinless for 33 years .
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
When God saved you he gave you birth of spirit and spirit of God does not sin , but he is not murderer and did not murder your old fleshly one birth from woman , so that one will die while the second one will never sin and will be risen up from grave .
That's why Christians fight flesh . It cannot inherit .
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Your flesh will always sin but spirit can't .
That's not exactly what I meant, though I do see your point..
That is just the point then isn't it?
Rom. 8:8,9
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
That's not exactly what I meant, though I do see your point.
I meant that it is essentially impossible to be perfectly sinless when we are living in this life. If someone thinks that they are sinless, they don't have a full understanding of the definition of sin.
Though we certainly should be freed from gross sins.
Your trying to categorize sin, according to severity, where we know, all sin has a death penalty.
You have opened this door, so I leave it up to you to give the full understanding of the definition of sin, that I am better able to understand what it is your saying, and the discussion doesn't get bogged down in misunderstandings.
It usually comes down to how you define "sin".
Those who consider only gross, intentional sin - lying, stealing, hurting others, gossip, etc. and maybe even extending to such things as dwelling for a moment in coveting - will usually say yes. We should become purified and avoid those types of sin.
But the real definition of sin/hamartia is "missing the mark" and that mark is Christ Himself.
Do we measure up to Christ's own purity of heart? Do we always at every minute of the day and night love God with ALL of our heart, soul, strength, and mind? Are we so free of the vice of pride that we feel not even a momentary flash of offense when our "rights" are violated in some way (I'm talking about someone cutting you off in traffic or moving ahead of you in line, not an actual social injustice where human rights should be championed). And so on. If we are sensitive enough to the holiness of God, we will recognize that we are plagued frequently by sinful thoughts and inclinations, though hopefully our outward deeds and words can become to a degree sanctified.
But it is essentially impossible to reach perfection while in the flesh. Again, it comes down to definitions, and how sensitive one is to God's own degree of holiness.
The old man is what we were before we began to cooperate with the grace of God. Liars, thieves, murderers, or what have you - simply covetous backbiters maybe.Going back to your original post to which I first responded.
When Paul speaks of "The Old Man" what is he actually speaking about?
Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col. 3:9
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
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