A crushed flower

[cherokeehippie]

Jesus was that crushed flower. Who did the crushing?? the religious--the Pharisees and Sadducees had Him killed. Yes, it was our sin that crushed Him, but it was by the hand of the religious whom Jesus had the most opposition from--not the prostitutes and tax collectors. Today, I noticed that it is the ones with religious spirits who crush flowers today. THe flowers of God's beauty. Those who are childlike in their wonder of Him and love, the religious crush and condemn. They accuse them of idolatry if they talk of the wonder of the stars, and wanting to learn the constellations(for astronomy purposes, not astrology) and they accuse them of witchcraft if they appear hippyish or just because they like natural things--Indian basket making, etc. The pharisees hated Jesus because He did good--healing on the sabbath. They were more concern with stern laws, strict taskmasking rules, than on doing good.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I assume I am one of the crushers because I don't believe in looking to the stars for answers?

I can live with that. Having been raised with teachings that claimed to be christian but were indeed more new age than Christian, I tend to be cautious and if I am considered a crusher by some (believe me, my mother would certainly agree with you!), I'll just remember that Paul taught that we are not judged by those around us but rather the Lord up above.

God bless.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Again, I have to say, I don't look to the stars for answers, either. But it is not a sin to look AT the stars, for the Beauty of the Father--and notice how small we are and how BIG He is! That He created us for fellowship with Him, thru His Son, Jesus! To be afraid to learn to recognize the constellations in the sky, just because satan has distorted that and stolen it, doesn't mean we have to avoid it.

 

[cherokeehippie]

And to worship Him only cooped up inside, afraid to go outside and enjoy His creation, fearful that we would be worshipping other gods is the same as when the Pharisees put fences around the 613 laws of the Torah where they created all sorts of laws to keep people from breaking the commandments. For example--because of the law not to boil a goat in it's mothers milk(which was done by the pagan canaanites in their rituals), the rabbis added that they couldn't have meat with milk or diary products, period, and yet Abraham fed the three angels meat with yoghurt when the Lord told Abraham he and Sarah will have a son.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

You'll have to reread my posts. I could probably be considered a novice astronomer. I find a huge difference between astronomy and astrology and based on that thread, the line was being blurred.

Just this gals opinion though. Have a blessed day!

 

[heartofheaven]

I am not sure of the point here, but I am all for natural beauty! I make cosmetics and different things with pure essential oils, kinda reminds me of the three wisemen bringing the babe Jesus that 'frankinsence and myrrh thing!But there are so many people including Christians that are not even realizing that they are getting themselves right into the new age movement..it is in our Churches and is very subtle.I ,however hate the enemy with a PASSION,that if I even smell just a HINT of him trying to get in there with his blasted lies, I would want to stop anything I would do that would not be glorifying my Lord! I left many Churches because of it.And when others try to put their two cents worth about the "aromatherapy" garb. I just go somewhere else. The Lord does not want us to 'play' with things of the devil,so if your not into the new age or witch craft,then you dont have to worry about it! If ,however the Lord is trying to tell you something through someone on this forum,then listen, it is not to sound religious about it,but to warn you,just take it for what it seems to me, is.Ask Him, otherwise don't worry about it. If you like natural things GREAT!! For it is GOd that it came from!

 

[cinni]

You'll have to reread my posts. I could probably be considered a novice astronomer. I find a huge difference between astronomy and astrology and based on that thread, the line was being blurred.

Just this gals opinion though. Have a blessed day!

i am utterrly fascinated with astronomy and things that go on up their i do not delve into astrology but coments and meteroites etc keep me pretty interested in astronomy. there is a definate difference between the 2.

 

[Tavita]

Jesus was that crushed flower. Who did the crushing?? the religious--the Pharisees and Sadducees had Him killed. Yes, it was our sin that crushed Him, but it was by the hand of the religious whom Jesus had the most opposition from--not the prostitutes and tax collectors. Today, I noticed that it is the ones with religious spirits who crush flowers today. THe flowers of God's beauty. Those who are childlike in their wonder of Him and love, the religious crush and condemn. They accuse them of idolatry if they talk of the wonder of the stars, and wanting to learn the constellations(for astronomy purposes, not astrology) and they accuse them of witchcraft if they appear hippyish or just because they like natural things--Indian basket making, etc. The pharisees hated Jesus because He did good--healing on the sabbath. They were more concern with stern laws, strict taskmasking rules, than on doing good.

You've just got to learn to pay them no attention and get on with what God has called for you to do. It's easy to say I know. But, we're not called to submit to the pharisaical spirit, we're called to submit to the Lord Jesus Christ and walk in His Spirit, obeying Him and Him alone. Don't listen to the voice of man if it goes against what the Spirit of God would tell you. What's the big deal with studying astronomy? There are a few christian astronomers around. What's wrong with making baskets and wearing hippy clothes?... I do sometimes. Don't pay any attention to the legalists and don't allow them to crush you, rise up and stand on God's word and what He says about you.

 

[cherokeehippie]

I know that God has not convicted me about astronomy, but also it humilates me when other christians get on my case like I'm in sin when Abba has not convicted me or tell me astronomy is wrong. I hate having to be on my tippy toes around uptight stern brothers and sisters--that's what I mean about them crushing the beautiful flower. They just want to be drab. I pray that Abba will tell you I am not New age. One day in Heaven you will meet me and see and then understand where I'm coming from.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Thank you Tavita. I posted the last post but hadn't seen your post yet. It's so hard sometimes for me--dealing with the 'stern' christians---I guess I'm real sensitive. I have to give that to Abba and focus on Him. I guess I use these posts to express how I feel since I feel intimidated to do it in person.

 

[Tavita]

Do they see you're only into astronomy? Do they think you're into astrology? Maybe you need to clarify it with them.

 

[Tavita]

Thank you Tavita. I posted the last post but hadn't seen your post yet. It's so hard sometimes for me--dealing with the 'stern' christians---I guess I'm real sensitive. I have to give that to Abba and focus on Him. I guess I use these posts to express how I feel since I feel intimidated to do it in person.

That's ok.. fire away! We all need to let off steam. And hopefully you'll find some brothers and sisters in here who will give you some encouragement to keep going and learn to put aside the intimidation. Can't you find a fellowship with more freedom in the Spirit?

 

[cherokeehippie]

Well, actually, it's just on these posts that I've experienced opposition. I know that if I was explaining astronomy and the constellations and the biblical symbols, etc to a certain pastor and wife couple I know, they would get excited. They had me lead a passover seder at their church and Jewish dance and they would just treat it the same way. But here in these forums you get more pharisees.

 

[cherokeehippie]

I'm going thru a period of resentment towards certain religiousity and I just don't want ot have anything to do with that. If they think I'm some yucko new ager, then fine. The only thing that matters is that God knows I'm not a yucko new ager or spiritual retard.

 

[cherokeehippie]

Here's something I posted in another thread:

I'm sorry that you feel that I'm not a christian. I ask everyone to feel sensitive to the Holy Spirit and let Him know where I'm coming from. If I need deliverence in any area, speak to Him to deliver me from that. Forgive me. I hate abortion and witchcraft, too, and homosexuality, but I just feel---please understand, I don't live up north where there were christians helping slaves. I'm in the so called bible belt where there were 'christians' who owned slaves. You have more religion here in the south than true christianity. Even in Eureka Springs where the Passion play is, I just found out that the man who founded the Passion play and park there, was an antisemite and racist! I'm in Arkansas and maybe I have a 'distorted' view towards what I feel is the image of many of my brothers and sisters being on the side of redneck racist politics---I really do feel that much of our American christianity has become like the pharisees like when Jesus was on earth. In the eyes of many of the lost, we are on the side of the racists. It's not just a smoke screen. I just want to dispell that image. Think about it--who were the ones who severely criticize and persecute Jesus? The religious ones. Please understand that. If you feel I'm in rebellion in anyway, then pray about it and ask Abba to deliver me from that. I do not want to appear as if I'm attacking christianity. Maybe I need to move back west to NM or Arizona(where there isn't as many rednecks) to be 'delivered' of appearing so 'liberal minded' which I'm not! I know I'm not perfect, it seems as if I'm not very good spiritually--but I really do feel certain things. Or maybe I should just stick with making my pine needle baskets and on focusing on good things like cats, hummingbirds, sitting on beds of cushiony pine needles under tall pine trees in the mts of Arizona or seeing Jupiter and it's moons thru my binoculars and the feeling I get when I see beautiful blown or lampworked glass--Philippians 4:8. I feel stuck and isolated here in the Ozark town I live in. I'm christian, but also cherokee and I 'appear' hippyish because of my love for beatiful colorful tiedye and tams, etc. But I can't be around the hippies I know, because they are wiccans, and I can't really feel at comfortable with many of the christians either because they are too 'traditional' or not as spiritual in love with Jesus. I miss Calvary chapel and vineyard type fellowships and the college christian group I was in back in Flagstaff AZ back in 1988. I also feel scared off by other certain christians who I feel might be 'witches' in a different sense. charismatic witchcraft--or manipulation of the gifts to control me. I experienced some weird stuff in the abusive charismatic fellowship I was in back in Florida some years ago, and so anything that reminds me of that, I steer clear from.

 

[Tavita]

I'm going thru a period of resentment towards certain religiousity and I just don't want ot have anything to do with that. If they think I'm some yucko new ager, then fine. The only thing that matters is that God knows I'm not a yucko new ager or spiritual retard.

Yeah, I can see the pain you're in, and from the post above. I have to run now cherokeehippie, do you mind if I get back to you later? Maybe I'll even PM you?

 

[cherokeehippie]

Yeah, that's fine. Talk with ya later, Tavita. Lara

 

[sweetrevival]

Honey - delve into all the verses that deal with God's love and belief in the you He created. Absorb them into your Spirit, learn the role He has for you, then stand firm in the trust you have that He and He alone guides you in all you do.

Do not compromise with Him and He will protect and defend you in all your ways.

I was a professional craftswoman for many, many years, and it was me! It was how I saw myself, how I was known. It got me the pats on the back, the admiration, etc, etc.

God took it all away from me when I accepted Jesus into my life. I had to learn to rely totally on Him and Him alone for any praise and admiration. And you know, I lost the desire to have any given to me - and I gained a peace and a respect for myself that was not present when I was getting the awards from the world.

Now, I can make something if I feel like it, I haven't lost the skills, just the need to be seen through my work.

Look to what you really want to get from the things you make, the sights you see, the clothes you wear - is it peace, is it comfort, is it satisfaction?

And sweet child, I can assure you that even if you found yourself in the smallest, darkest room with none of nature or baskets or hippie clothes to cover you, you can still have the peace and the other feelings because He will be in that room with you.

He love you deeply sweet one.

 

[cherokeehippie]

I never spent much time out in the world, believe it or not. Was never a druggy or hung out with druggies or sex, or new age yucko stuff. In fact, I run from whatever is occultic. Spent much of my time in church or fellowship, hardly ever got out in the world. I don't understand why people think I'm compromising just because I do crafts or wear hippie clothes and learning astronomy. I came out of an abusive fellowship, and never did learned crafts until just recently within these 3 yrs. I've always wanted to do something with my hands and I had asked Abba to give me something to do because I felt like I wouldn't be good at a lot of vocations, careers in teaching, dealing with people, math, etc. I always loved pine trees and felt His love when under pine trees--I remember driving on a trip one time and sensing that the pine trees were worshipping the Lord!! It made me think of when after the Pharisees rebuked Jesus, telling him to silence the children, He said that if they were silent, then the Rocks would cry out! I feel peace finally becoming who He created me to be, but I don't feel peace, feeling as if I'm naughty little spiritual retard who needs to be spoonfed correction of things I've known for years as a christian. It's as if others are afraid I'm becoming new age just because I don't fit the typical American Wasp christian image. Anyway, Love, Lara

 

[cherokeehippie]

I guess, the thing is, I understand when the world doesn't like me, but to have christians think I'm in rebellion or not spiritually mature does bother me. It's as if my self esteem really is effected by this. I feel humilated and it makes me want to hurt myself and I spit out bad words towards the "Pharisees". Not at them, but I tell the Lord how I feel.