A Creationist Creed

[RickG]

I really don't intend to go back and forth with you on this....I've presented plenty of eidence that shows the sand was not windblown. If you disagree...so be it.

It shows the Grand Canyon strata as proof of a Global Flood to be false. You can't have footprints between perceived flood layers. And never-mind the limestone layers which cannot form from a flood. Why do you keep ignoring this?

 

[RickG]

I'll be waiting for your reference.

Its available now. It shows a depth on the continental shelves of sediment more than 3 times the elevation (30,000 meters) of Mount Everest (8,848 meters) , and that is not even taking into account terrestrial sediment.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/sedthick/sedthick.html

 

[-57]

The mountains were already there when the flood happened. That is evidence of older more violent geologic events. It is the presence of these landforms that would cause violent erosion and deposition in certain areas. Flatlands wouldn't show nearly a much erosion/deposition. I believe the flood came in, and receded, much like the tides, which leave little evidence over wide areas of relatively flat terrain.

The condition of the land should be considered as well. Except where areas of land were under cultivation the earth's surface would have been quite stable, covered with forests and mature pasture and grassland that would have stabilized the soil against the inwash of the flood. Of course after a year of being submerged much topsoil would be swept into the sea by the receding waters of the flood. This might account for the deserts.

You're entitled to your theory....but it's not what the bible present or what the geological record presents.

The mountains were much smaller...small enough for the waters to cover them.
Valleys sank and mountains rose.
The strata we see contain fossils of dead animals coverd by the flood deposits.

But as I said, you're entitled to filter the bible through mans science.

 

[-57]

Its available now. It shows a depth on the continental shelves of sediment more than 3 times the elevation (30,000 meters) of Mount Everest (8,848 meters) , and that is not even taking into account terrestrial sediment.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/sedthick/sedthick.html

I still fail to see why this is a problem. The bible tells us the mountains rose and the valleys sank. At the shelves there was a deep area for the sediment to settle.
Perhaps this is where the fountains of the deep erupted causing this space.
To make the claim that it refuted the flood is unwarranted.

 

[USincognito]

I still fail to see why this is a problem.

That's because you understand nothing about geology.

The bible tells us the mountains rose and the valleys sank.

Chapter and verse?

 

[-57]

That's because you understand nothing about geology.



Chapter and verse?

Google it. It's been presented to you numerous times.

 

[USincognito]

Google it. It's been presented to you numerous times.

Ah, you've got nothing then.

No biggie. I'm used to you making stuff up at this point.

 

[-57]

Ah, you've got nothing then.

No biggie. I'm used to you making stuff up at this point.

No. It shows your lack of the ability to use resources at your fingertips.


Then again...perhaps you're afraid to open a bible.

 

[RickG]

I still fail to see why this is a problem. The bible tells us the mountains rose and the valleys sank. At the shelves there was a deep area for the sediment to settle.
Perhaps this is where the fountains of the deep erupted causing this space.
To make the claim that it refuted the flood is unwarranted.

The problem is that sediment thickness is more than 3 times more than that of the flood water depth. Surely you can see a problem there.

 

[RickG]

No. It shows your lack of the ability to use resources at your fingertips.

Then again...perhaps you're afraid to open a bible.

-57 The bible tells us the mountains rose and the valleys sank.

I've found no such statement in the bible, even after doing a word search on Biblegateway.com. Anybody?

 

[USincognito]

No. It shows your lack of the ability to use resources at your fingertips.

Again, you've got nothing. You're just making stuff up.

Then again...perhaps you're afraid to open a bible.

That's a pretty stupid assertion since I specifically asked for chapter and verse.

 

[-57]

The problem is that sediment thickness is more than 3 times more than that of the flood water depth. Surely you can see a problem there.

I see no problem there. Perhaps you ought to go back and re-read what I said. Whether or not those scenarios allowed for the thick sediment we may never know...but the feasibility of what I posted is most certainly a possibility. Ypur simple statement of thickness being too great fails.

 

[-57]

I've found no such statement in the bible, even after doing a word search on Biblegateway.com. Anybody?

It's prettty obvious you didn't look very hard.

Psalms 104:8 The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them.

From Biblegateway: as the mountains rose up,
and the valleys went down—
to the place you appointed for them.

 

[-57]

Again, you've got nothing. You're just making stuff up.

Yeah...I made up the verse.

NEXT

 

[RickG]

I see no problem there. Perhaps you ought to go back and re-read what I said. Whether or not those scenarios allowed for the thick sediment we may never know...but the feasibility of what I posted is most certainly a possibility. Ypur simple statement of thickness being too great fails.

What you have said throughout this thread demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of earth science, not to mention that you are making claims the bible says things it doesn't, and I'm not talking about interpretation.

Creation science claims that all sedimentary layers of rock were laid down by a global flood. When measuring those sediments we find that they exceed the height of the tallest mountain on earth by a factor or more than three. How does a flood that was more than three times less than the sediment it deposited do that?

 

[-57]

What you have said throughout this thread demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of earth science, not to mention that you are making claims the bible says things it doesn't, and I'm not talking about interpretation.

Creation science claims that all sedimentary layers of rock were laid down by a global flood. When measuring those sediments we find that they exceed the height of the tallest mountain on earth by a factor or more than three. How does a flood that was more than three times less than the sediment it deposited do that?

Let me say it in simpler terms....It depends on how deep the hole is. It's not rocket science Rick. You of all people should know that.

 

[RickG]

It's prettty obvious you didn't look very hard.

Psalms 104:8 The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them.

From Biblegateway: as the mountains rose up,
and the valleys went down—
to the place you appointed for them.

From [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+104%3A8&version=NET']Biblegateway:[/URL]
Psalm 104:8 (KJV)
They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Oh my! Has the bible been altered? Seems like a good argument for not taking any part of the bible as literal. Thank you.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[RickG]

Let me say it in simpler terms....It depends on how deep the hole is. It's not rocket science Rick. You of all people should know that.

It's the continental shelf which was not under water 12,000 years ago, not a hole, and that doesn't even take into account everything above the shelf.

 

[RickG]

It's not rocket science Rick. You of all people should know that.

I know its not rocket science, its Earth Science, a field I am a professional in and you are completely ignorant of.

 

[USincognito]

Yeah...I made up the verse.

Kudos. You finally figured out that if you make a claim, the onus is on you to support it. Looking at Psalm 104, it is about the Creation, not about the Flood. This analysis agrees.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/psalms/104:3

* [Psalm 104] A hymn praising God who easily and skillfully made rampaging waters and primordial night into a world vibrant with life. The psalmist describes God’s splendor in the heavens (Ps 104:1–4), how the chaotic waters were tamed to fertilize and feed the world (Ps 104:5–18),
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* [104:5–9] God places the gigantic disk of the earth securely on its foundation and then, as a warrior, chases away the enveloping waters and confines them under, above, and around the earth.​

Sorry, but that verse does not support your assertions about the Flood.