A Creationist Creed

[USincognito]

From Biblegateway:
Psalm 104:8 (KJV)
They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Oh my! Has the bible been altered? Seems like a good argument for not taking any part of the bible as literal. Thank you.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

And it's worth noting that verse 5 claims:

5He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.​

 

[-57]

From Biblegateway:
Psalm 104:8 (KJV)
They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Oh my! Has the bible been altered? Seems like a good argument for not taking any part of the bible as literal. Thank you.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Coming from someone who the need to change the bible...due to evolutionism...i'm not surprised.

 

[-57]

Kudos. You finally figured out that if you make a claim, the onus is on you to support it. Looking at Psalm 104, it is about the Creation, not about the Flood. This analysis agrees.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/psalms/104:3

* [Psalm 104] A hymn praising God who easily and skillfully made rampaging waters and primordial night into a world vibrant with life. The psalmist describes God’s splendor in the heavens (Ps 104:1–4), how the chaotic waters were tamed to fertilize and feed the world (Ps 104:5–18),
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* [104:5–9] God places the gigantic disk of the earth securely on its foundation and then, as a warrior, chases away the enveloping waters and confines them under, above, and around the earth.​

Sorry, but that verse does not support your assertions about the Flood.

I really don't care if you think it's about the creation...Seriously, I don't.
God said the mountains can rise and valleys sink. As that verse suggest there is a promise it won't happen again.

 

[-57]

And it's worth noting that verse 5 claims:

5He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.​

Let me see you move the earth.

 

[-57]

It's the continental shelf which was not under water 12,000 years ago, not a hole, and that doesn't even take into account everything above the shelf.

Dude, your time line means nothing to me...as it is incorrect.

 

[-57]

I know its not rocket science, its Earth Science, a field I am a professional in and you are completely ignorant of.

I'm glad I never had you as a teacher. I don't want to be taught misinformation.

 

[USincognito]

I'm glad I never had you as a teacher. I don't want to be taught misinformation.

Bahahahah!!! Says the guy who cites Creationist sites.

I really don't care if you think it's about the creation...Seriously, I don't.

The problem with this is I'm not the only one.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/mhc/Psa/Psa_104.cfm?a=582009
>> Many great things the psalmist here gives God the glory of

• I. The splendour of his majesty in the upper world (v. 1-4).
• II. The creation of the sea and the dry land (v. 5-9). <<

God said the mountains can rise and valleys sink. As that verse suggest there is a promise it won't happen again.

The problem with that argument is that verse 8 is referring to the Creation meaning you're arguing against your own claim re: the Flood.

Let me see you move the earth.

I don't have to genius. It moves on it's own - on it's axis and around the sun.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You're entitled to your theory....but it's not what the bible present or what the geological record presents.

The mountains were much smaller...small enough for the waters to cover them.
Valleys sank and mountains rose.
The strata we see contain fossils of dead animals coverd by the flood deposits.

But as I said, you're entitled to filter the bible through mans science.

I'm an OEC/Gap believer. Science denies the flood. I believe it, but I don't think it was the flood envisioned by you or most others.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's prettty obvious you didn't look very hard.

Psalms 104:8 The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them.

From Biblegateway: as the mountains rose up,
and the valleys went down—
to the place you appointed for them.

This is speaking of the waters that cover the earth, not the mountains or valleys.

 

[MasonP]

Science denies the flood.

It's the lack of evidence for a flood that's doing the denying not science.

 

[lesliedellow]

Theistic Evolutionist creed:

1) We don't believe the bible.

Not true.

 

[lesliedellow]

Where is your 3rd book? The bible?

I have just reached out and touched it, without getting out of the chair. I might add that it gets more than its fair share of reading.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's the lack of evidence for a flood that's doing the denying not science.

True, the flood wouldn't have left much evidence.

 

[RickG]

Kudos. You finally figured out that if you make a claim, the onus is on you to support it. Looking at Psalm 104, it is about the Creation, not about the Flood. This analysis agrees.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/psalms/104:3

* [Psalm 104] A hymn praising God who easily and skillfully made rampaging waters and primordial night into a world vibrant with life. The psalmist describes God’s splendor in the heavens (Ps 104:1–4), how the chaotic waters were tamed to fertilize and feed the world (Ps 104:5–18),
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* [104:5–9] God places the gigantic disk of the earth securely on its foundation and then, as a warrior, chases away the enveloping waters and confines them under, above, and around the earth.​

Sorry, but that verse does not support your assertions about the Flood.

You know, one of the things that has troubled me about a particular denomination I was a member of once is that those ministers had a very progressive habit of citing numerous different scriptures supposedly pertaining to the topic of their sermon, which had absolutely nothing to do with the point they were presenting.

 

[RickG]

Dude, your time line means nothing to me...as it is incorrect.

That's your perception due to confirmation bias. Choose what you like and ignore everything that shows it to be wrong.

 

[RickG]

I'm an OEC/Gap believer. Science denies the flood. I believe it, but I don't think it was the flood envisioned by you or most others.

Science shows no evidence of a global flood that covered all the land. Can you cite a published paper in a professional scientific journal that is about denying Noah's Flood? I won't hold my breath.

 

[RickG]

True, the flood wouldn't have left much evidence.

No, if there were a global flood that covered all the land on earth there would be an enormous amount of evidence.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Science shows no evidence of a global flood that covered all the land. Can you cite a published paper in a professional scientific journal that is about denying Noah's Flood? I won't hold my breath.

A global flood, as described in the story, wouldn't have left such evidence, so it is perfectly ok to assume that the flood didn't happen.

 

[RickG]

A global flood, as described in the story, wouldn't have left such evidence, so it is perfectly ok to assume that the flood didn't happen.

Why are you saying a global flood wouldn't have left such evidence?

 

[tatteredsoul]

1.) We believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.
2.) We believe that biologists have no idea what they are talking about.
3.) We believe that Darwin was the Devil Incarnate.
4.) We believe that astrophysicists have no idea what they are talking about.
5.) Right, that's the really important stuff out of the way, and now we had better say something about God.

I do think creation is as is, but after reading the Hebrew I don't believe 1) at all. 2), 3), and 4) are hyperbole, and 5) is tapered into nothing.

The first verse of the Bible says the earth is older than time if you follow the text closely. Time didn't exist until God made it after He separated light from darkness.