A Creationist Creed

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Genesis is cast in the form of a historical narrative, but that doesn't mean that it is history.

You've got to be kidding? Seriously, you're kidding?

In a letter to Timothy, Paul addresses an issue....instructing women on how to conduct themselves. Paul then presents his basis for that instruction and it is based upon the creation account presented in Genesis.

Why would Paul base his instruction on a historical narrative that wasn't actual history?

1st Tim 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

According to Paul it was deception that caused Eve to become a sinner. (verse 14 above) According to The-Evoism deception as described in Genesis and the result of that act of disobedience...which was that through one man (Adam) death and sin came about......never happened.

 

[RickG]

That's a big 10-4.

When it comes to resurrection day....science can also take a hike.

Fact: The professional scientific literature says nothing about God or the Bible one way or the other.
Fact: The creation science literature criticizes, demeans, belittles, etc., etc., etc., continuously and deliberately.

From my point of view as a Christian, Christianity has a serious problem. Rather than seeking outsiders into the faith as Jesus did, they are driving them out of the faith.

 

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Fact: The professional scientific literature says nothing about God or the Bible one way or the other.
Fact: The creation science literature criticizes, demeans, belittles, etc., etc., etc., continuously and deliberately.

From my point of view as a Christian, Christianity has a serious problem. Rather than seeking outsiders into the faith as Jesus did, they are driving them out of the faith.

Christianity has a problem when it tells People Jesus rose from the dead on day 3...Really?

 

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So I don't understand religion or science. Then why have I got two books, one called the Geometry of Spacetime, and the other called Reformed Dogmatics Volume 2, both within easy reach of where I am sitting?

Where is your 3rd book? The bible?

 

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Jesus had a problem with it. Jesus taught that God created Adam as the first man. But what did He know, right? He's one of those YEC's.

We can even go a step deeper....what did Jesus know... He was the one actually making Adam from the dust.

 

[RickG]

Christianity has a problem when it tells People Jesus rose from the dead on day 3...Really?

No, Christianity, as I said and you obviously ignored, has a problem with the creation science literature. Having different beliefs is one thing, but deliberately misrepresenting science? It is something I don't think anyone should be involved in, especially Christians.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Fact: The professional scientific literature says nothing about God or the Bible one way or the other.
Fact: The creation science literature criticizes, demeans, belittles, etc., etc., etc., continuously and deliberately.

From my point of view as a Christian, Christianity has a serious problem. Rather than seeking outsiders into the faith as Jesus did, they are driving them out of the faith.

There have always been divisions and turmoil within the church. At the end of the day only God knows who are the sheep and who are the goats (or the wheat and tares).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We can even go a step deeper....what did Jesus know... He was the one actually making Adam from the dust.

God made Adam as a representative of himself. He made Eve as a figure of both his past and future 'bride', who had fallen, would fall again, and would need to be redeemed at great price.

 

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Yes, along with creation science which violates the 9th commandment.

Amazing you quoted the ninth. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.".....Presenting the six day creation as rubbish..a false witness...WHEN...the 4th commandment contains the following:

11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

 

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God made Adam as a representative of himself. He made Eve as a figure of both his past and future 'bride', who had fallen, would fall again, and would need to be redeemed at great price.

Do you have any verses that support what you said?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, Christianity, as I said and you obviously ignored, has a problem with the creation science literature. Having different beliefs is one thing, but deliberately misrepresenting science? It is something I don't think anyone should be involved in, especially Christians.

That's an easy problem to resolve. Science is the study of creation. I can read a science paper and plainly see that, and I'm grateful to science for doing that work. I look forward to future breakthroughs that further reveal the mind of God as well.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you have any verses that support what you said?

Just circumstantial evidence base on the metaphors, types, figures, translations, etc.

God represents himself (and his angst) in several of the prophets and patriarchs.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ever notice hao a Theo-Evo can believe in a dead Jesus coming back to life on day 3....and....not believe the bible where it says God formed Eve from Adams rib.

Yup -- sure have!

 

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Just circumstantial evidence base on the metaphors, types, figures, translations, etc.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[AV1611VET]

In a letter to Timothy, Paul addresses an issue....instructing women on how to conduct themselves. Paul then presents his basis for that instruction and it is based upon the creation account presented in Genesis.

What are you?

Some kinda femiphobe?

 

[RickG]

Amazing you quoted the ninth. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.".....Presenting the six day creation as rubbish..a false witness...WHEN...the 4th commandment contains the following:

11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

No, I don't present it as rubbish, I view it as a non-literal allegory. Why? Because all the evidence provided in Gods creation (the Earth), shows it to be non-literal.

 

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No, I don't present it as rubbish, I view it as a non-literal allegory. Why? Because all the evidence provided in Gods creation (the Earth), shows it to be non-literal.

Then again if you're dead..."all the evidence provided in Gods creation (the Earth)" shows you don't come back to life on day 3.

 

[RickG]

Then again if you're dead..."all the evidence provided in Gods creation (the Earth)" shows you don't come back to life on day 3.

Stop putting words in my mouth that I did not say or imply. Do it again and I will report you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, I don't present it as rubbish, I view it as a non-literal allegory. Why? Because all the evidence provided in Gods creation (the Earth), shows it to be non-literal.

The geologic record shows a pattern of 'ruin/restoration', the same pattern is seen in Genesis 1:2 and forward. By translating the word "made" to "fashioned" a whole different meaning can be applied the 'creation' account. God "fashioned" a new creation suitable for the man he would create out of the ruins of the old, a place entirely unfit for the new man(kind).

 

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The geologic record shows a pattern of 'ruin/restoration', the same pattern is seen in Genesis 1:2 and forward. By translating the word "made" to "fashioned" a whole different meaning can be applied the 'creation' account. God "fashioned" a new creation suitable for the man he would create out of the ruins of the old, a place entirely unfit for the new man(kind).

I would say the geological record show evidence of a catastrophic world wide flood.