A Creationist Creed

[mark kennedy]

Yes, I have read the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed and the Westminster Confession. What of it? The only place you will find YECs in any number is in the southern states of America. Christians elsewhere do a double take the first time they hear that 40% of Americans think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Oh, and I know how to spell Nicene as well.

The age of the earth and the cosmos are irrelevant, all we know about the original creation is that it was, 'in the beginning'. The doctrine of creation is focused on the creation of life:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind (John 1:1-4)
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God's work in creation is inextricably lined to the Incarnation, resurrection and the new birth. The Westminster and Nicene Creeds are based on Scripture and the Apostolic doctrine. I don't mind so much when evolutionists try to correct everything I say about science, they are wrong most of the time but it doesn't bother me much. When you start telling me what it means to be a Christian and what is the substance of Christian conviction that I start to get annoyed.

In spite of a full court press from the secular and academic world Creationism in the United States has remained unchanged since at least the 80s. Even with most of our seminaries sold out to Modernist philosophy in theological clothing Christian conviction has not been swallowed up by atheistic materialism.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

Jesus had a problem with it. Jesus taught that God created Adam as the first man. But what did He know, right? He's one of those YEC's.

When Adam is mentioned in the New Testament it is always the first parent of humanity:

Adam (G76 Ἀδάμ): Adam, the first man, the parent of the whole human family.

Adam, G76 which was the son of God. Luk 3:38
death reigned from Adam G76 to Moses.Rom 5:14
in Adam G76 all die 1Co 15:22
The first man Adam G76 was made a living soul; 1Co 15:45
Adam G76 was first formed, then Eve. 1Ti 2:13
Adam G76 was not deceived, 1Ti 2:14
seventh from Adam, G76 Jde 1:14
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Those are just the direct references. In the Old Testament over 400 times Adam's name is used synonymously with humanity. There is a reason for that, the same reason that Israel is used synonymously with the nation, it's because they are named for their father.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[bhsmte]

1.) We believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.
2.) We believe that biologists have no idea what they are talking about.
3.) We believe that Darwin was the Devil Incarnate.
4.) We believe that astrophysicists have no idea what they are talking about.
5.) Right, that's the really important stuff out of the way, and now we had better say something about God.

Biblical creationists do tend to flow in this manner.

The cognitive dissonance these folks must incur, to constantly fight off well evidenced reality, must create a high level of inner turmoil.

 

[AV1611VET]

Biblical creationists do tend to flow in this manner.

The cognitive dissonance these folks must incur, to constantly fight off well evidenced reality, must create a high level of inner turmoil.

Ya.

I just toss and turn all night long.

 

[bhsmte]

Ya.

I just toss and turn all night long.

Not in that sense. Your defense mechanisms have been honed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your defense mechanisms have been honed.

The shield of faith?

 

[bhsmte]

The shield of faith?

I just refer to them as defense mechanisms.

 

[mark kennedy]

Biblical creationists do tend to flow in this manner.

The cognitive dissonance these folks must incur, to constantly fight off well evidenced reality, must create a high level of inner turmoil.

There is no conflict between God's creation and the reality of God reflected in the things God made:

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Rom. 1:20)​

This is the cognitive dissonance of those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness:

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. (Rom. 1:22)
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Attributing to nature what is rightfully attributed to God is the essense of idolatry. People have been ignoring the reality of God for a long time. As many atheists as I have debated over the years not one has asked me what God is like. There's a reason for that, they already know because God has already shown them.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[bhsmte]

There is no conflict between God's creation and the reality of God reflected in the things God made:

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Rom. 1:20)​

This is the cognitive dissonance of those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness:

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. (Rom. 1:22)
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People have been ignoring the reality of God for a long time. As many atheists as I have debated over the years not one has asked me what God is like. There's a reason for that, they already know because God has already shown them.

Have a nice day
Mark

Ignoring what reality of God?

Can you demonstrate this reality, with something other than preaching and personal opinion?

 

[mark kennedy]

Ignoring what reality of God?

Can you demonstrate this reality, with something other than preaching and personal opinion?

God is self-evident and self-existing. If you managed to suppress the truth of God in your heart and mind there isn't anything I can do for you. The Gospel doesn't help the hardened heart, if you don't receive the natural revelation you will never listen to the Gospel. I'm just reminding you that you do know there is a God, his divine attributes and eternal nature because God has shown you.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[bhsmte]

God is self-evident and self-existing. If you managed to suppress the truth of God in your heart and mind there isn't anything I can do for you. The Gospel doesn't help the hardened heart, if you don't receive the natural revelation you will never listen to the Gospel. I'm just reminding you that you do know there is a God, his divine attributes and eternal nature because God has shown you.

Have a nice day
Mark

Not a very good demonstration, just more claims.

 

[mark kennedy]

Not a very good demonstration, just more claims.

Indeed, which is all you have as well:

Christianity does not profess to convince the perverse and headstrong, to bring irresistible evidence to the daring and profane, to vanquish the proud scorner, and afford evidences from which the careless and perverse cannot possibly escape. This might go to destroy man's responsibility. All that Christianity professes, is to propose such evidences as may satisfy the meek, the tractable, the candid, the serious inquirer. (Simon Greenleaf, Testimony of the Evangelists)
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This is nothing new, the proud scorner has been with us since the beginning.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[bhsmte]

Indeed, which is all you have as well:

Christianity does not profess to convince the perverse and headstrong, to bring irresistible evidence to the daring and profane, to vanquish the proud scorner, and afford evidences from which the careless and perverse cannot possibly escape. This might go to destroy man's responsibility. All that Christianity professes, is to propose such evidences as may satisfy the meek, the tractable, the candid, the serious inquirer. (Simon Greenleaf, Testimony of the Evangelists)
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This is nothing new, the proud scorner has been with us since the beginning.

Have a nice day
Mark

I can't remember making a claim.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ignoring what reality of God?

Can you demonstrate this reality, with something other than preaching and personal opinion?

Churches and other edifices, hymns, carols and other songs, holidays, stores, Bibles and books, debates, martyrs, time divided into BC/AD ...

 

[bhsmte]

Churches and other edifices, hymns, carols and other songs, holidays, stores, Bibles and books, debates, martyrs, time divided into BC/AD ...

This demonstrates there is a God how?

Would this also mean, all the symbols that other religions have prove that their religion is the correct one?

 

[AV1611VET]

This demonstrates there is a God how?

You're a scientist, and you ask me this?

How is gravity evidenced?

 

[bhsmte]

You're a scientist, and you ask me this?

How is gravity evidenced?

With scientific evidence.

 

[mark kennedy]

I can't remember making a claim.

Exactly you just a string of pedantic one liners. Oh and btw gravity was never proven it was assumed. The principles of motion were developed by Kepler who provide that Y squared and Galileo and many others.

With evidence was an empty retort.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

You're a scientist, and you ask me this?

How is gravity evidenced?

Newton assumed the magnetism of all mass. Previously he thought it ether which was like common ground between the material and ethereal world's. You don't prove gravity you measure and predict the force of motion. Science has an actual history and philosophy and works well with the metaphysics of it's mother Christian theology.

Grace and peace
Mark

 

[bhsmte]

Exactly you just a string of pedantic one liners. Oh and btw gravity was never proven it was assumed. The principles of motion were developed by Kepler who provide that Y squared and Galileo and many others.

With evidence was an empty retort.

Have a nice day
Mark

Nothing in science is proven.

Of course, when the evidence mounts, theories tend to be highly likely to be accurate. Sort of like, the many scientific theories that make your life easier to navigate, every day of your life.