A Couple of Questions in Genesis

[thaiv]

1. Before the flood, Jehovah declared that man's days will be 120 yrs.

Gen 6:3 And Jehovah said, My Spirit shall not always plead with Man; for he indeed is flesh; but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

Gen. 11:10 - 32 show that man's years are still far above 120 yrs after the flood.

When did Jehovah's word regarding the days of man come into effect?

2. At the time of Babel it is said that man had one language.

Compare:

Gen 10:5 From these came the distribution of the isles of the nations, according to their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

with:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth had one language, and the same words.

How is Gen. 10:5 reconclied with Gen. 11:1?

 

[Antman_05]

1. Before the flood, Jehovah declared that man's days will be 120 yrs.

Gen 6:3 And Jehovah said, My Spirit shall not always plead with Man; for he indeed is flesh; but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

Gen. 11:10 - 32 show that man's years are still far above 120 yrs after the flood.

When did Jehovah's word regarding the days of man come into effect?

Ok look at when God said about the 120yrs, it was 120yrs before the flood, therefore its safe to say it was a warning of what was to come.

Thats my thoughts

 

[Antman_05]

2. At the time of Babel it is said that man had one language.

Compare:

Gen 10:5 From these came the distribution of the isles of the nations, according to their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

with:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth had one language, and the same words.

How is Gen. 10:5 reconclied with Gen. 11:1?

Its much the same i speak english but not American english i speak Austrailan english. Same tongue different style. Or it could be in some countries in the world where there is an offical language which eveyone knows, then there are local languages. they all have the same langaue just some speak more than one.

Thats my thoughts

 

[thaiv]

Antman_05,

Thank you for your responses. I have to say that I agree. I misread Gen. 6:3. Gen 10:5 and 11:1 can surely mean what you stated. Thanks for your help.

 

[Antman_05]

Antman_05,

Thank you for your responses. I have to say that I agree. I misread Gen. 6:3. Gen 10:5 and 11:1 can surely mean what you stated. Thanks for your help.

Thats ok gald i could be of some help, i had asked the same questions at bible college last year.

 

[ShilohCity]

Genesis 10:5 is an internal summary of what happened after the flood. it is not meant to imply that all the people went out and formed nations and tounges before the story of Babel. Genesis 11 goes into more depth and tells the story of how the different tounges came about. There are also stories of how different nations came to be in the remainder of Genesis.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Why does the Bible say, 'the days of his years?' Have you ever thought of this in eschatological terms.

120 Jubilees is 6000 years. Then God will cease striving with man, sort of like a Sabbath.

In fact, the Sages of Israel concluded that the world would endure 6000 year, then would come a seventh millenium of Rest. They based this on the Creation account and
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Psalm 90's heading indicates that it is a Psalm of Moses.

Peter picks up this theme in his epistle:

2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;

Notice the Day of the Lord here? Could that day be 1000 years long?

Did Adam really die (physically) the day he ate the fruit? No! But he did die at age 930. 'The day' if you are using God's calculation.

 

[johnd]

Why does the Bible say, 'the days of his years?' Have you ever thought of this in eschatological terms.

120 Jubilees is 6000 years. Then God will cease striving with man, sort of like a Sabbath.

In fact, the Sages of Israel concluded that the world would endure 6000 year, then would come a seventh millenium of Rest. They based this on the Creation account and
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Psalm 90's heading indicates that it is a Psalm of Moses.

Peter picks up this theme in his epistle:

2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;

Notice the Day of the Lord here? Could that day be 1000 years long?

Did Adam really die (physically) the day he ate the fruit? No! But he did die at age 930. 'The day' if you are using God's calculation.

Excellent.

 

[johnd]

1. Before the flood, Jehovah declared that man's days will be 120 yrs.

Gen 6:3 And Jehovah said, My Spirit shall not always plead with Man; for he indeed is flesh; but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

Some comentators believe there were about 120 years left until the flood when God made this statement. Remember the account of Genesis is the eyewitness account of God to his scribe Moses who lived thousands of years after the fact. So, it is looking back.

Gen. 11:10 - 32 show that man's years are still far above 120 yrs after the flood.

When did Jehovah's word regarding the days of man come into effect?

You will notice a marked decrease in the life spans of the deluvians. Remember the predictive element in God's manner of revealing truth. When God says it, it will be true. It may not be this very second or this very year or this lifetime but it will be true.

As detailed as God is about many things it is amazing how general he is at the same time. It's as though he is just detailed enough to authenticate his word (that it is from him and not some vague charlatan) but general enough to show man he owes us no explanations.

2. At the time of Babel it is said that man had one language.

Compare:

Gen 10:5 From these came the distribution of the isles of the nations, according to their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

with:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth had one language, and the same words.

How is Gen. 10:5 reconclied with Gen. 11:1?

I am not familiar with the translation you are using, but Genesis 10:5 is not saying that the world congregated at Babel from other nations but that the poplace / nations of the world all came from Babel.

 

[johnd]

Remember the account of Genesis 1:6 indicates that a body of water was separated from a body of water by the firmament we call sky. What that means is that the Earth originally had a vapor canopy enveloping it the same way five of the nine planets in our solar system do to this very day.

This canopy had the effect of restricting harmful cosmic radiation and creatinbg a greenhouse effect (which is actually a good thing) making for a globally even climate (which explains how wolly mammoths could be found in the Siberian Tundra with tropical vegetation in their disgestive tracts).



It obviously promoted longevity it humans and animals.

Interesting that certain species of reptiles never stop growing their whole life. Imagine a 900 year old reptile and how big it would be. Today we call their fosilized remains "dinosaurs" (terrible lizzard).

The debate rages on whether the vapor canopy is the source of the Noachian flood (reentry temperatures in some models would seem to indicate it is not).

Remember man's scientific experiments are limited to man's knowledge and experience. Until the combustion engine was invented, man probably could have scientifically cited that no liquid could propel horseless carriages.

High friction reentry is the only form of atmospheric reentry we know of today. Mathematic reproductions of the experiment model is quite limited to contemporary conditions input.

This is why I side with the Bible and take a wait and see atitude in the face of such human reasoning. Read 1 Corinthians 2.

But there is biblical indication that subterranean vaults burst. And there is geological evidence that the sea bottoms have shifted (deeper) as well as the mountain range upthrusts may be much higher today than before.

Again, when we do the scientific math on the flood model we are restricted to the contemporary data (which is perjudicial). The deeper seas and higher mountains answers at leas two objections to the global flood:

1. how could so much water disappear?
2. how could there be enough water to cover Mount Everest?

Tectonic plates on which the continents rest appear to have shifted drastically at some point in history. At a glance one can see how the shorelines of the continents fit like a jigsaw puzzle. And the weight of the water plus the breaking up of the subterranean water vaults most likely were the catylist for this monumental displacement of mass.

Mount Everest was probably a plain until the subcontinent of India rammed into Asia causing the Himilaya upthrust zone.

And another point about missing water volume... The polar icecaps contain more than enough water to flood most of the dry land on Earth.

 

[baraqemet]

steve wrote:
Did Adam really die (physically) the day he ate the fruit? No! But he did die at age 930. 'The day' if you are using God's calculation.

baraqemet:
he died spiritually . . .


thaiv wrote:

Gen 10:5 From these came the distribution of the isles of the nations, according to their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

with:

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth had one language, and the same words.

How is Gen. 10:5 reconclied with Gen. 11:1?

baraqemet:
Gen is not necessarily in order chronologically - this is a common occurance in the first 5 books. Even the story of creation goes back and forth in Gen 1 & 2.