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The Catholic Church affirms that all baptised persons who believe in Christ are in some way joined to her (cf. Unitatis Redintegratio, §3). However, the Eucharist is not merely a symbol of unity—it is its culmination and visible expression of union and communion in Christ. The Church’s discipline of “closed communion” is not a rejection of others’ faith, but a safeguard of the sacrament’s integrity. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches, “Ecclesial communities derived from the Reformation… have not preserved the proper reality of the Eucharistic mystery in its fullness” (CCC §1400). Because the Eucharist signifies full communion in faith, sacraments, and ecclesial governance, it cannot be shared where that unity does not yet exist (Redemptionis Sacramentum, §84).I am a deacon in my Baptist church in a town right outside of Houston. There is my church, a Methodist church, and a Catholic Church within a couple of blocks. We all talk to each other, fellowship with each other, and even have charitable events together. However when it is time to break bread, as Jesus commanded and as Acts 2:42 states, only the Catholic Church is not welcoming because of their closed communion policy.
Jesus stated that where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name there He is so every one that is gathered in His name whether in a building or not are part of His church. If the Catholic Church wishes unity among the churches and Christians then there is much that they need to change. We still love our Catholic brothers and will continue to fellowship with them simply because that is the call of every Christian.
The term church refers, in its primary theological sense, to the community of Christian believers united in faith and sacramental life, and secondarily to the physical building designated for public worship. Etymologically, church derives from the Old English cirice, itself rooted in the West Germanic kirika, which was borrowed from the Greek kyriakē (κυριακή), meaning “of the Lord” or “belonging to the Lord,” a feminine adjective formed from kyrios (κύριος), “Lord.” This term originally denoted the “Lord’s house” (kyriakē oikia) and was adopted into early Christian usage to describe both the liturgical assembly and the sacred space in which it gathered. The semantic evolution reflects both ecclesiological and architectural dimensions of Christian tradition.
Thanks for the primer but I was Catholic so I’m aware. My complaint remains though since the Bible exhorts Christians to break bread together. Transubstantiation is one of those deal breaker Catholic doctrines for me.The Catholic Church affirms that all baptised persons who believe in Christ are in some way joined to her (cf. Unitatis Redintegratio, §3). However, the Eucharist is not merely a symbol of unity—it is its culmination and visible expression of union and communion in Christ. The Church’s discipline of “closed communion” is not a rejection of others’ faith, but a safeguard of the sacrament’s integrity. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches, “Ecclesial communities derived from the Reformation… have not preserved the proper reality of the Eucharistic mystery in its fullness” (CCC §1400). Because the Eucharist signifies full communion in faith, sacraments, and ecclesial governance, it cannot be shared where that unity does not yet exist (Redemptionis Sacramentum, §84).
You rightly cite Matthew 18:20, and Christ is present where believers gather in His name. Yet His presence in the Eucharist is of a different order—“substantial,” “real,” and “true” (CCC §1374)—requiring full communion with the Church He founded. The Catholic Church earnestly desires unity, but this unity must be rooted in truth and sacramental fidelity. As Pope Benedict XVI affirmed, “The Eucharist is intrinsically linked to full communion with the Church” (Sacramentum Caritatis, §56). Your love for your Catholic brethren is appreciated, and the Church reciprocates that love while remaining faithful to the deposit of faith entrusted to her by Christ.
If you believe that the Eucharist is His Body and Blood, you'd be Catholic and would be able to receive. If you reject this Scriptural teaching, don't complain.Thanks for the primer but I was Catholic so I’m aware. My complaint remains though since the Bible exhorts Christians to break bread together. Transubstantiation is one of those deal breaker Catholic doctrines for me.
The scriptural teaching is NOT transubstantiation.If you believe that the Eucharist is His Body and Blood, you'd be Catholic and would be able to receive. If you reject this Scriptural teaching, don't complain.
It IS His Body, He said so.The scriptural teaching is NOT transubstantiation.
I would suggest you research and learn what word the rememberance meant to the Jews at that time.Jesus described communion as a remembrance
Yep. While He was still wearing it. It’s symbolic not literal.It IS His Body, He said so.
Why, you don’t know? Here, I’ll give you a hint.I would suggest you research and learn what word the rememberance meant to the Jews at that time.
Hmm, should I follow your interpretation or the entirety of Church Father and Scripture? Sorry, you're outYep. While He was still wearing it. It’s symbolic not literal.
Try again. AI can't save youἀνάμνησις, -εως, ἡ, (ἀναμιμνήσκω), a remembering, recollection: εἰς τ. ἐμήνἀνάμνησιν to call me (affectionately) to remembrance, Luke 22:19 [WH reject the passage]; 1 Corinthians 11:24f, ἐν αὐταῖς (namely, θυσίαις) ἀνάμνησις ἁμαρτιῶνin offering sacrifices there is a remembrance of sins, i. e. the memory of sins committed is revived by the sacrifices, Hebrews 10:3. In Greek writings from Plato down.
Mmmm should we follow the only church that believes in transubstantiation? Sorry you are out.Hmm, should I follow your interpretation of the entirety of Church Father and Scripture? Sorry, you're out
That was not from AI. I don‘t use it. The definition comes from Strong’s G364. You can either address it or not, your choice. Remembrance (anamnesis) means to remember, the memory of, not the actual.Try again. AI can't save you
Edit: I'm feeling charitable, research how the Jews looked at the celebration of the Passover
Arrogance brings about disunity.Oh yea,..... feel that unity.
That's the claim those who are unsure about the validity of their faith cast towards those who are sureArrogance brings about disunity.
“Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, being diligent to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.”Ephesians 4:5
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I’m sure.That's the claim those who are unsure about the validity of their faith cast towards those who are sure
Since "church" doesn't mean "building" I do not understand why you persist with the contrast between body and building. It is inaccurate and misleading.Christians are joined together as a body, not a church/building.
Then why do you want to receive communion in a Catholic Church? I know that in many Protestant denominations the bread & juice are regarded as symbols without substantial reality as the body and blood of Christ and knowing that I do not want to receive bread and wine/juice in such denominations because to do so would imply that I shared their view of what communion is, and I do not.Thanks for the primer but I was Catholic so I’m aware. My complaint remains though since the Bible exhorts Christians to break bread together. Transubstantiation is one of those deal breaker Catholic doctrines for me.
Is a matter of unity and fellowship as Is called for in scripture. Other than the way your cracker is made the look is still the same and the remembrance of our Jesus sacrifice for our sins is the same. Sometimes we loose ourselves in our individual theologies and forget about loving our fellow Christian. Christ did not die in the cross for only members of a particular church but for all of us. When you take communion your thoughts and prayers should remain cemented in Jesus not in if my theology matches the others.Then why do you want to receive communion in a Catholic Church? I know that in many Protestant denominations the bread & juice are regarded as symbols without substantial reality as the body and blood of Christ and knowing that I do not want to receive bread and wine/juice in such denominations because to do so would imply that I shared their view of what communion is, and I do not.
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