A condition for being in heaven...

[ephraimanesti]

Yeshua's robe of righteousness covers a multitude of past guilt and allows us to be in His Presence to learn to live His Way.

. . . . And, given that being the His Presence IS the definition of "Heaven," it seems to me that the answer to the OP might be something along the lines that in order to spend eternity in Heaven--in God's Presence--we must be living in His Presence at the time we leave this material plane.

A BOND-SLAVE/FRIEND/BROTHER OF OUR LORD/GOD/SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[Grega]

Ok folks...please be careful how you answer this one (I'd lost the interest I originally had in this thread a while ago but it keeps resurfacing)

Given that we enter into heaven sinless, and remain sinless. Is it also true that for all other entities that exist in heaven, they are sinless and have been sinless for so long as they were in heaven?

 

[ephraimanesti]

Given that we enter into heaven sinless, and remain sinless. Is it also true that for all other entities that exist in heaven, they are sinless and have been sinless for so long as they were in heaven?

No sin can exist in the presence of God.

We? You have seen the light at last and converted, then. What great news! Why are you still playing these silly mind-games then?

ephraim

 

[Grega]

No sin can exist in the presence of God.


We? You have seen the light at last and converted, then. What great news! Why are you still playing these silly mind-games then?

ephraim

No sin can exist in the presence of God.
Perhaps others will concur with this

We? You have seen the light at last and converted, then. What great news! Why are you still playing these silly mind-games then?
To investigate the soundness of what seems a ludicrous argument you must sometimes first gather all, and assume true the necessary premises to see what conclusions, valid or otherwise, you are forced to end up at.
This does not apply to nonsensical premises btw

 

[ephraimanesti]

To investigate the soundness of what seems a ludicrous argument you must sometimes first gather all, and assume true the necessary premises to see what conclusions, valid or otherwise, you are forced to end up at.

MY BROTHER--i don't understand why you continue to "investigate" that which you have already long-ago dismissed as "unsound" and "unworthy of belief". Why the false facade? Why aren't you spending your time creating a "brave new world" or something?

Based on my own personal past experience, my guess is that you are seeking for something you don't want to admit to yourself you are seeking for. Perhaps a little soul-searching is in order--it will speed the discovery process immensely!

ephraim

 

[DeaconDean]

No sin can exist in the presence of God.
Perhaps others will concur with this

We? You have seen the light at last and converted, then. What great news! Why are you still playing these silly mind-games then?
To investigate the soundness of what seems a ludicrous argument you must sometimes first gather all, and assume true the necessary premises to see what conclusions, valid or otherwise, you are forced to end up at.
This does not apply to nonsensical premises btw

Let me ask you a question my searching friend, what is it you are seeking?

In this life, as long as we remain in the flesh so to speak, we will sin.

Only the hardcore "antinomianist" will tell you that they can live sin-free.

In the above statement, I would agree with you conditionally.

Now take this for its worth, there are only two instances when "sin" is allowed in heaven.

We are told:

"...which accused them before our God day and night." -Rev. 12:10 (KJV)

Yes, Satan has access to heaven, and he does stand up there and accuse us each and every time we fail Him.

Look God, look at your saint sin!

He literally does stand up there and accuse us.

So in that sense, i would conditionally agree with you.

The second instance is at the judgement. It is sure that if your a sinner, your sin in this life will cling you even in the afterlife:

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:" -Rev. 22:11 (KJV)

And in the same verse we have the assurance that once our sins are forgiven, and Christ's righteousness is imputed to us:

"and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." -Rev. 22:11 (KJV)

No, the redeemed, born-again will not sin once they are received into heaven. We know this to be true because we are also told:

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." -1 Jn. 3:2 (KJV)

Jesus cannot sin, and we are told that in the resurrection, we will receive glorified bodies just like our Lord. And the above verse tells us that we will be just like Him.

Once we make it to heaven, yes, we will be perfect because we will be perfect just like our Lord.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Grega. Yes, God always wanted us to be perfect, and we were good, until the Serpent managed to lure Adam and Eve to disobey God. They, and as we know now, all of humanity after Adam and Eve, succumbed quite willingly to temptations of every kind. Jesus came and reconciled us to God, He told us how to become perfect as God is perfect. We have years to learn, we have a Saviour to help and guide us, and our God will forgive us, every time we fall or stumble. LOVE, selfless and no strings attached, is the Key back to where we came from. God loves us, and God will know how sincerely we are trying to become as God wants us to be. I say this humbly and with love, Grega. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.