EternalDragon
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All they have ever shown me is a few similarities. I think that is all they have. That and a lot of imagination.
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I think that science should have a broad spectrum of samples of creatures, before making big claims based on fragmentary evidence.
If a skull of early post flood man was indeed different, fine. However if all we have is some fragmentary evidence based on precious little fact and a lot of evo doctrine, golly gee, how can we know if it was an ape, chimp or early post flood man? - (There are no remains, if I understand it, of pre flood man, and even very early post flood man, as that was apparently not in this present state and nature)
The site of Dmanisi, Georgia, has yielded an impressive sample of hominid cranial and postcranial remains, documenting the presence of Homo outside Africa around 1.8 million years ago.
Dear Mark, The Dmanisi Skull is a good example of the remains of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and NOT Humans. The current false theories, being totally incomplete, don't know that the world of Adam was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 tells us that these "Scoffers of the last days" are Willingly Ignorant that the world that THEN WAS was totally destroyed in the Flood and the heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW will be burned.
For this reason, today's Scientists prefer to accept the False ToE, instead of God's Holy Word...and they will NOT change their minds, no matter how much evidence is presented to them. To do so would mean that they have recognized the Lies that they have been force teaching our children.
In Love,
Aman
Back when the whole Evolution/Creation thing was going strong I got some head trip discussions going on the Dmanisi fossils. They were found in Russian Georgia and up until now have seemed rather ambitious. Finally they dug an intact, almost complete skull up and it's a beauty. I was wondering if anyone on here was still into fossils.
The site of Dmanisi, Georgia, has yielded an impressive sample of hominid cranial and postcranial remains, documenting the presence of Homo outside Africa around 1.8 million years ago. Here we report on a new cranium from Dmanisi (D4500) that, together with its mandible (D2600), represents the world's first completely preserved adult hominid skull from the early Pleistocene. D4500/D2600 combines a small braincase (546 cubic centimeters) with a large prognathic face and exhibits close morphological affinities with the earliest known Homo fossils from Africa. The Dmanisi sample, which now comprises five crania, provides direct evidence for wide morphological variation within and among early Homo paleodemes. This implies the existence of a single evolving lineage of early Homo, with phylogeographic continuity across continents. Science 18 October 2013I heard about it on NPR, thought it might make for interesting conversation.
Fossil Find Points To A Streamlined Human Lineage
Your thoughts....
Oh my, oh my, a compete whole skull? Why from this one single skull and some fragments, we will deduce an entire evolutionary line. Appearance changes my man, not transitional. Living examples right before your eyes in cats and dogs. Changes in appearance, yet still cats and dogs. If we had not manipulated thru selective breeding all the appearance changes in a few generations in cats and dogs that might otherwise have taken millions of years I could understand evolutionists simple mistake. But they have living evidence right before their very eyes, observational and genetic evidence that kind change appearance thru environmental or selective breeding, but always remain of that same kind.
Any theory that goes against the observational evidence has already been falsified before it even starts. They are no more a previous transitional class than a poodle is a transitional species between wolf and pug. Merely different appearances of the same kind. This is what the fossil record has always shown, just as the living evidence before our very eyes shows. Change in appearance of the same kind, not transitional from one species to the next.
Do all dogs look the same? Cats? Birds? Then why would you expect anything less in the human family tree?
Dear Mark, The Dmanisi Skull is a good example of the remains of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and NOT Humans.
Looking for a humor thread? Or would you like to prove that claim? Good luck with that.
Great, so we can label it anything we like too.All they have ever shown me is a few similarities. I think that is all they have. That and a lot of imagination.
So? The code for a time and place and people who lived with the reality of slaves should make allowances for reality.No. I have missed nothing......but, unfortunately, you have missed everything....!
The key point that you ignore is that that evil book of yours is supposed to contain the unchanging, immutable, universal moral code of your god...!
If that's the case, why did its code change...?? Did it make a mistake, change its mind, what....?
Wrong. There are slaves and will be a lot more soon. That is how Satan and his people are, and they just about have the floor for their final act now."Oops....got that one wrong people....from now on, no more slaves....right!"
If you are saying that it changes its view on these things depending upon the time and the situation it is dealing with, then why do we need its guidance at all....?
No. God spells it out pretty well. Don't try to use God as an excuse for sinning as desired.We can make our own way in determining what is 'right' and 'wrong'......which is exactly what we do...!
Well, in the world at large slavery was a part of life. Obviously the people of God would have a kinder and gentler way to treat slaves than the run of the mill Joe Pagan.They weren't allowed to treat them as they please there was a whole lot of rules and regulations.
Well, in the world at large slavery was a part of life. Obviously the people of God would have a kinder and gentler way to treat slaves than the run of the mill Joe Pagan.
No chimpanzee ancestors but an awful lot of chimpanzee skulls passed off as our ancestors. It's pretty obvious.
Right, God knows sinners. Give em a slave and there is bound to be misuse. So Israel had some checks and balances to deal with the practices and realities of the world of that day.I haven't really gone right into the circumstances of the slavery in the bible times so i am no authority on the subject. From what i understand there seems to be some harsh treatment on face value. When you go into it and read it in context it seems to be using examples of different situation and how to apply the laws. When it says if a slave is beaten or if this situation happens then you should do this. It is talking about all the possible scenarios not that they actually do it. Its the same for our law, different degrees of breaking the laws and the different punishments that apply.
Right...as above.The fact that there were many other references saying to treat a slave or as they were called back then a bond servant is good. It mentions that even if you damage the servants eye or tooth ( I am assuming this also applies to hand, fingers, legs, feet ect.) then you must set them free shows this contradicts any beating that some people say they do in the name of god. How can you beat a slave for punishment and would more than likely damage him and not risk losing that servant in the first place.
Right, there are many the seek to find anything to accuse God or His people or His word with. That is life. Don't take em too seriously...we know God is good. They know Him not.Put this together with all the other verses that talk about good treatment of servants and it seems the evidence is greater for the good treatment of servants rather than bad treatment. So i would say that people read this out of context and grab onto it as a way of using it as an example to show how bad god is to make their case. IE the verses that say good treatment out weigh any notion of bad treatment but they never mention those. It would only be fair to acknowledge that this is the fact.
An appeal to blind faith and trust. No those people know precious little. They may have some criteria that they use to classify some silly skull as 'human ancestor'...but that is religion.No offense, Mark, but, I think that is just wishful thinking on your part, e.g., your faith talking. There is a clear pattern in these skulls including the skulls from Dmanisi, e.g., larger brain case, smaller canines, etc., as they become more and more recent. People who do this stuff for a living know the difference between emerging human features and emerging chimpanzee features .... unless you are a conspiracy theorist .... which is another avenue of wishful thinking.
Looking for a humor thread? Or would you like to prove that claim? Good luck with that.
An appeal to blind faith and trust. No those people know precious little. They may have some criteria that they use to classify some silly skull as 'human ancestor'...but that is religion.
Man like creatures spawned from the sea one day!!? Get serious.Dear dad, Of course. The sons of God (Prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from the water on Day 5. Genesis 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was brought forth from water and Science agrees, since man is 70% water and the cells within our bodies cannot live without liquid water. The sons of God "moved" as is shown in Job. Job 1 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
Leaving that weak argument aside, to avoid spending too long wandering from the topic, we do not need to get into how the angels behave sexually here.Some CLAIM that the sons of God were the offspring of the fallen Angels and humans, but this is refuted Scripturally by the Scriptural Fact that Jesus tells us the Angels do NOT marry nor are given in marriage Mat 22:30 and they are reserved in chains under the earth, Jud 1:6 thus could not have appeared in Job.
Genesis does not say that Cain either married a sea spawned man like creature, nor that the intelligence man (including Cain) had was due to such absurd things. Total pure uncut imagination.Cain married one of these people and passed the human intelligence of Adam to their descendants. Genesis 4 shows that Cain's descendants had agriculture, tent building, smelting and other traits of today's Humans.
Genesis 6:4 shows that when you mix the sons of God with the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) mighty men, men of renown are produced. This verse shows that this happened on Adam's Earth and prophecies "and also after that", and the prophecy was fulfilled on our Planet when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry.
Lie. The flood killed all people, whether you want to pretend they were sea spawned additions to the race or not! As for your millions of years claim, that is lame.They married and produced children with the prehistoric people whose bones are found on our Planet for millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived.
Today's Humans are the combination of Adam's descendants and the sons of God, who were brought forth from the water on our Planet.
Proof is shown because today's Humans have the unique human intelligence of Adam, which ONLY Adam and God have. Gen 3:22 We also have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.
Intelligence was what we were created with. By the way, no one inherited anything from ape ancestors. You merely assume that birth was the medium of evolution and passing viri around, etc..as it may well NOW be.If you don't believe me, please tell us HOW we inherited the human intelligence which was unique to Adam AND the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes. We also lost 90% of our lifetimes when we intermarried with the sons of God. Gen 6:3
Attributing smarts to creatures from some lost lagoon may be easy, but it is insane also. Not bible, not science.As you can see, it's easy to confirm that Cain and Noah's grandsons, married and produced today's Humans with each other.
This will also be confirmed when we travel into Space and find prehistoric people whereever we find liquid water. Comments?
You advocated trusting them, not because you know the facts, but because you believe they golly gee just must know. What they claim about the past is not a possibility, not even good fiction, and has NO basis in fact. Just religious twaddle.Of course .... otherwise you would have to consider what they say as a real possibility ... and we can't have that.
Man like creatures spawned from the sea one day!!? Get serious.
Leaving that weak argument aside, to avoid spending too long wandering from the topic, we do not need to get into how the angels behave sexually here.
Genesis does not say that Cain either married a sea spawned man like creature, nor that the intelligence man (including Cain) had was due to such absurd things. Total pure uncut imagination.
Don't harp on one verse and build a mountain out of it. Nowhere does it say Noah's offspring had no one to marry! God knew to put 8 people in the ark, and He did not make a mistake. Such foolish speculation is actually cultish. Something is not right here.
Lie. The flood killed all people, whether you want to pretend they were sea spawned additions to the race or not! As for your millions of years claim, that is lame.
Lie. Do not present wild speculation totally unbased in scripture as fact.
Trying to explain the dna carried down as originating with strange man like creatures from some lagoon or sea is neither science nor bible actually. It is not even a lower mediocre quality fable.
Intelligence was what we were created with. By the way, no one inherited anything from ape ancestors. You merely assume that birth was the medium of evolution and passing viri around, etc..as it may well NOW be.
Attributing smarts to creatures from some lost lagoon may be easy, but it is insane also. Not bible, not science.
Good luck with that! Say hi to Captain Kirk.
Right, God knows sinners. Give em a slave and there is bound to be misuse. So Israel had some checks and balances to deal with the practices and realities of the world of that day.
Right...as above.
Right, there are many the seek to find anything to accuse God or His people or His word with. That is life. Don't take em too seriously...we know God is good. They know Him not.
It is the devil's job 1 to convince man that God doesn't really love him, and that He is a liar, and merciless, cruel, etc. Ho hum.
Mathew 7.15. Beware of false prophets who come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Right, God knows sinners. Give em a slave and there is bound to be misuse. So Israel had some checks and balances to deal with the practices and realities of the world of that day.
Right...as above.
Right, there are many the seek to find anything to accuse God or His people or His word with. That is life. Don't take em too seriously...we know God is good. They know Him not.
It is the devil's job 1 to convince man that God doesn't really love him, and that He is a liar, and merciless, cruel, etc. Ho hum.
Dear Dad, They were not only man like, but could produce children with Adam's descendants. Genesis 6:4
So what...a lagoon??BTW, they were created and brought forth from the water and not the Sea.
Foolishness. We can't live without air either, does this mean we come from air?This agrees with today's Science which shows that the cells within our body cannot live without liquid water.
Others claim they were not fallen. Just because angels do not marry as we do, doesn't mean they could not be sexual does it? Heck, Solomon didn't marry as we do! We do not know enough about angels to start claiming all the stuff you do.Some CLAIM that the sons of God were the offspring of the fallen Angels and humans, but this is refuted Scripturally by the Scriptural Fact that Jesus tells us the Angels do NOT marry nor are given in marriage Mat 22:30 and they are reserved in chains under the earth, Jud 1:6 thus could not have appeared in Job.
You do not know who Cain married. If you had said 'I think' he may have married a swamp thingie...maybe you would have sounded somewhat better.Cain married one of these people and passed the human intelligence of Adam to their descendants.
Irrelevant. Adam ate fruit and had babies with Eve as we do. he talked as we do. Noah built a boat as we do...etc. In no way does making a tent or having brains mean that some water spawned man like creature had to be our dad!!! That is truly foolish, as well as against soundness of mind, and the bible.Genesis 4 shows that Cain's descendants had agriculture, tent building, smelting and other traits of today's Humans.
Baloney. We are made in His image.Genesis 3:22 tells us that Adam had the ability to know both good and evil which ONLY God has.
False. The current intelligence is bad in large measure, making it nothing like God! Being smart is not what makes us live forever. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] people and even evos can live forever if they just get saved!!Adam had the mind of God because he was meant to live forever, and will, in the third heaven. Today, we call this ability, Human intelligence.
Lie. Noah's kids had lots of opportunity to multiply. The sons of god are generally thought to be angels. I agree. In the case of Job, the sons of god came to present themselves before God...Satan was among them. So I guess that could include the fallen sons. But sorry...no creatures from the water.Genesis 6:4 shows that when you mix the sons of God with the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) mighty men, men of renown are produced. This verse shows that this happened on Adam's Earth and prophecies "and also after that", and the prophecy was fulfilled on our Planet when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry.
Lie.Scripture shows that Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry, just like Cain.
The first Earth was destroyed in the flood and NOT the present heaven and earth.
Not eben remotely connected, let alone proof of your cultish fable.You are confusing everyone dying on the first earth with our earth which has NEVER suffered a Global Flood. Here is the Scriptural proof:
Gen 10:1¶Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
That is a dream. Just because we have some bones in the ground in no way means that it was your extra creation swamp babies!!!They married and produced children with the prehistoric people whose bones are found on our Planet for millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived.
?? You lost it? Oh I sure can. Not even a challenge.It's the Truth since the theology of ancient men was wrong. Try to make the traditional religious story agree with Scripture. You cannot.
Today's Humans are the combination of Adam's descendants and the sons of God, who were brought forth from the water on our Planet.
Easy. Show us this common ancestor? What in blazes are you talking about? If you mean the transfer of ERVs, that did not require offspring in the former timeThen you must tell us WHERE we got the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes. Scripture does, but you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your view.
Absurd. God never said...'Adam, only you will be smart, and have hair, and 2 feet, and speak...etc etc's.Proof is shown because today's Humans have the unique human intelligence of Adam,
Amen. We have inherited the human intelligence of Adam. We also lost most of our lifetime because human blood was contaminated with creatures whose origin was in the water exactly as God told us. That is WHY we have the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve.
Then tell us what Genesis 6:4 is saying to YOU.
This will also be confirmed when we travel into Space and find prehistoric people whereever we find liquid water. Comments?
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