A Common Error

[RichardBurger]

A Common Error:
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It is a common error to assume that the Pauline Gospel of Grace was always in effect from the beginning of the world.
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Grace = unmerited (unearned) favor = you do not have to work for it. It is free.
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If we assume, as some say, that grace was always the gospel in effect then we have to see that God was unfair when He brought about the flood, when he scattered the human race, when He choose a certain people (the Jews) to be His own. God was unfair when He imposed laws for the Jews to follow with the penalty of death if they were not followed. --- After all the law was not in effect until the Jews left Egypt. It was imposed at Mt. Sinai long after the Flood.
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It is a fact that God has given humankind different requirements down through history. The Pauline Gospel of salvation by faith in what God did on the cross (His shed blood) is without precedence in the scriptures. When you fail to see this you will always blend the Law of Moses (what Jesus and the 12 taught) with grace and destroy both of them.
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It is clear that Jesus Christ, by His own words, did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" To the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.
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Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
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Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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Paul said: Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
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Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all the promises that were written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8.
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IMPORTANT NOTE: -- This is not to say that God did not have another purpose for Jesus' death on the cross. But that purpose was “hidden in God” and revealed to Paul on the road to Damascus by Jesus. (Eph 3:9)

 

[Bro in Christ]

the word grace changed due to how John used the word in John 13:34-35 ... word study it

 

[Dispy]

the word grace changed due to how John used the word in John 13:34-35 ... word study it

Use show us, being I don't see it in John 13:34-35.

 

[mrs94]

Hebrews 10:10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”[a]

Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;
My ears You have opened.
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.
7 Then I said, “Behold, I come;
In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
8 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

Nope, not saved by following the Law.

 

[ptomwebster]

the word grace changed due to how John used the word in John 13:34-35 ... word study it

No, the Law was in effect at that time of the Gospels, grace was a mystery.

 

[Bro in Christ]

John was written 30 years after the cross chapter 1-12law chapter 13- up grace

 

[RichardBurger]

No, the Law was in effect at that time of the Gospels, grace was a mystery.

You are correct. The twelve did no know of the death, burial and the resurrection even though Jesus told them.

Luke 18:31-34
31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished.
32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.
33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again."
34 But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken.
NKJV

 

[Bro in Christ]

john 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Bro in Christ]

Use show us, being I don't see it in John 13:34-35.

My bad John 13:34-35 is the churches commandment to love sacrifically like Christ ... God centered

as Matt 22:37-39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. is man centered


Jon 1:16 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

question is when was Jesus [humanity] given the title Christ [Glorified] which was after the cross!


Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

all are saved by grace when saved but each dispensation has different aspects and degrees

 

[Danoh]

My bad John 13:34-35 is the churches commandment to love sacrifically like Christ ... God centered

as Matt 22:37-39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. is man centered


Jon 1:16 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

question is when was Jesus [humanity] given the title Christ [Glorified] which was after the cross!


Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

all are saved by grace when saved but each dispensation has different aspects and degrees

Read all of John 1 and you'll find that John 1:17 is a reference to the fact that that [prophesied] grace and truth that the Christ that Moses and Israel's other prophets had prophesied would one day be within Israel's midst, now was:

John 1:
41: He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, we have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

45 Philip findeth Nathaniel, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Naareth, the son of Joseph.

In fact, throughout John that is the case.

What Paul later writes about is a Mystery Grace that God had kept hid in Himself until Paul, Ephesians 3:9.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

 

[Danoh]

john 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Yes, and in Acts 1 He also tells them there are things not for them to know, which He then later reveals to and through a new Apostle: Paul, and He does so directly and not through the Spirit, as with them, Acts 22.

Then, He later sends Paul, again by revelation, to Jerusalem to bring them up to speed not only about those things, but about a major change in their "marching orders," Gal. 2:2, 7-9, Rom. 11:25-27; 2 Peter 3:15.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

 

[Bro in Christ]

Read all of John 1 and you'll find that John 1:17 is a reference to the fact that that [prophesied] grace and truth that the Christ that Moses and Israel's other prophets had prophesied would one day be within Israel's midst, now was:

John 1:
41: He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, we have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

45 Philip findeth Nathaniel, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Naareth, the son of Joseph.

In fact, throughout John that is the case.

What Paul later writes about is a Mystery Grace that God had kept hid in Himself until Paul, Ephesians 3:9.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

thus a change in definition of the word grace ... like I said

 

[winifred]

The Pauline Gospel of salvation by faith in what God did on the cross (His shed blood) is without precedence in the scriptures. When you fail to see this you will always blend the Law of Moses (what Jesus and the 12 taught) with grace and destroy both of them.

Well put.