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They know that. . .What the protesters fail to realize is that Kings aren't elected, but presidents like Trump are.
They just create a false cause because they don't have a true cause.The voters elected Trump as president, and he only gets to serve this term and the voters
elected a new president in 2028. Not so Kings, they inherit their crown for the most part.
Do you have proof that they don't have a true cause? If not, this all is slandering the protestors.They know that. . .
They just create a false cause because they don't have a true cause.
It's the MO to destabilize, bought and paid for by enemies of the Republic.
Can you demonstrate their true cause; i.e., government action contrary to our law which, gives them just cause for their objection?Do you have proof that they don't have a true cause? If not, this all is slandering the protestors.
People simply don't want to turn the country into a dictatorship.Can you demonstrate a true cause; i.e., action that is contrary to our law?
False narrative. . .until actual violation of the law is demonstrated, which it has not been.People simply don't want to turn the country into a dictatorship.
You do realize the moderators can stop it on this forum, right?You do realize I'm talking about slandering people like other voters, illegal immigrants and public figures, right?
The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.False narrative. . .until actual violation of the law is demonstrated, which it has not been.
Can you prove that? If not, you're just slandering these people. What we do to the least of the brethren of Christ we do unto him. That's why I always protest against injustice and oppression.There is no true cause for their actions. . .it's all simply about obstruction of what the plurality of the people voted for.
God sees us, what we say about others. It's wickedness to want to believe bad things said about others without any evidence.And they're too blind to see that they are simply alienating that plurality of voters, thereby guaranteeing their deserved exile to the wilderness in the next election.
The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.
Dictators have been known to kick the ladder, historically. So how they achieved power isn't relevant, the question is how firmly they cling to it and how gracefully they give it up. Caesar came to power through republic, but after Caesar came to power the republic ceased to be. Liberty is only secure so long as the people are prone to resist even a whiff of overreach of authority.What the protesters fail to realize is that Kings aren't elected, but presidents like Trump are.
The voters elected Trump as president, and he only gets to serve this term and the voters
elected a new president in 2028. Not so Kings, they inherit their crown for the most part.
He had due process.The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.
It's not my job to prove, it's your job to prove your charge of the government violating our law (Ro 13:1-2).Can you prove that?
Deporting illegal immigrants is enforcing the law of our land.Do you have proof that they don't have a true cause? If not, this all is slandering the protestors.
We have millions and millions of illegal immigrants. It's been that way for most of our lifetimes.We have thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants in this country.
They cannot all be run through our Court system for deportation.
Where love is compromised, wrong is rationalized.Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary measure
It's not my job to prove, it's your job to prove your charge of the government violating our law (Ro 13:1-2).
This is a strawman argument. The issue of the protest is the centralizing of power.Deporting illegal immigrants is enforcing the law of our land.
Any who object to deportation, are objecting to our duly legislated laws.
Have you studied Civics?
This is a strawman argument. The issue of the protest is the centralizing of power.
The centralization concern is about the power of the executive vs the other branches of the federal government, not the state's vs the federal governmentWhat has been centralized?
The Union's victory in the Civil War cemented the supremacy of the federal government over the states, you would have to change the constitution I think at this point to change the supremacy of the Federal Government, and hence Federal law being able to override state law.
The millions and millions of our lifetime did not arrive in the last few years, as they have now.We have millions and millions of illegal immigrants. It's been that way for most of our lifetimes.
When love has no boiundaries, it is not love, it is license/lawlessness.Where love is compromised, wrong is rationalized.
Garcia has received due process. . .I've already shown the DOJ breaking the law, Kilmer Abrego Garcia was sent to prison without due process.
As you slandered our law enforcement for no cause when they are enforcing our law.You on the other hand have slandered these people based on accusations that they have no true cause.
I didn't say they think it's a dictatorship. I am conveying that they are against it becoming a dictatorship.Ok and what makes them think its a dictatorship.
So do I.I thought Trump was elected fairly and is merely acting on the policies he was elected for.
Polls can be misleading. What do people think of deporting dreamers for example. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/It seems most people support Trumps immigration policy. That is what he was elected for and now he carrying out that promise. In fact it seems most still approve of this policy now he is acting on it.
Polls Show Americans Overwhelmingly Support President Trump’s Mass Deportations
Per a Harvard/Harris poll taken October 1 – October 2, 56% of registered voters support deporting all illegal aliens, and a whopping 78% support deporting criminal illegal aliens.
Polls Show Americans Overwhelmingly Support President Trump’s Mass Deportations | Homeland Security
The American people overwhelmingly support President Donald J. Trump’s and United States Homeland Secretary Kristi Noem’s mass deportation of illegal aliens from the country, according to two national polls.www.dhs.gov
I would think billionaires would be more for autocracy while ordinary citizens would be for preserving democracy.And you don't think both sides do it.
The media marketplace is already owned by conglomerates who make money either way. Do you remember when I showed who voted for citizens united and who voted for the FEC?I would suggest under the last administration the media was primarily controlled by them. Trump has been in for 5 minutes. He hasn't had time to but off the media yet lol.
What violence are you referring to? I like to reason upon facts.That I think is the problem that is causing the violence. People are using such language and its fueling radicals.
That's what most people think that support Trump. But the fact remains, we're not supposed to have the military doing domestic law enforcement. Trump is saying he is considering invoking the insurrection act, based on false claims of out of control crime rates in Democratic run cities.You know Trump he is brash lol. I think he meant those who break the law. I think the US has a strong constitution.
I'd say they are ignoring what he is saying.I am glad you said its based on your belief. What do you say to those who disagree.
I don't think you understand what is going on. Trump lost a fair election. With the help of fellow republicans he tried to get Pence the vice president to overturn the results so as to stay in power. That is proof of a wannabe dictator. He now fires anyone in his administration who doesn't believe his slander.Who believe he is doing the right thing in dealing with these issues. They are not easy to deal with.
My nation went through similar and people were saying the government were trying to control everyone. Yet now we all agree it was the right thing to do as a whole.
Like I said, he lost the election fair and square. He slanders people. There is no evidence of far-left radicals.Why is is so bad to use the military if needed against such radicals.
I like to reason upon facts. You need to provide some evidence of what you claim.Violence and terror has gone up 500% or more. What do they do just let it happen. I think no matter how they dealt with this issue people were going to used violence to stop it as they fundementally disagree with the immigration policy.
The disagreement is about what constitutes humane and just treatment of people. We have parents who are illegals who have children who are lawful citizens. We have children who were brought here as toddlers and are now living productive lives as adults and professionals who don't have any prospects in the country they were brought from. We have millions of refugees who have no lawful citizenship anywhere in the world.Thats interesting that both parties seen building some sort of barrier was important. This shows that fundementally they agree that people should not be coming into the US illegally. That removing illegals is the right thing to do.
The problem is complex. Cartels just toss drug shipments over the wall or cut holes in it with angle grinders. They simply pay border guards to look the other way.At the end of the day it got to a point where it was causing damage and harm and something had to be done. If everyone agrees that a wall needs to be built because stopping organised crime and others coming illegal is near impossible and that it damages the US. Then surely there should be agreement on dealing with the problem.
Yeah, when he fools people, he really fools people.When he does something he really does something lol.
Immigration reform has been an issue for most of my lifetime.Ok. Now I think the problem has become something of an issue that has to be dealt with.
I not sure why you say maybe. I like to reason upon facts and what I have provided is what I find as officially documented. I don't recall any narratives that suggested illegals were not illegals, so I don't know what you mean.Maybe. But as I mentioned the language and narratives have suggested or implied that illegals were not illegals. Thus leading to radical groups and individuals believing they should stop the government from cracking down on illegals or have the right to stay in the US.
I don't personally know of anybody who disagrees with deporting illegals full stop. I know it's mostly illegal people who have grown up here and who have productive lives and who are neighbors and who have children born here who are legal citizens that out of compassion many would like to see amnesty be granted.I don't know what the solution. Yes if officers are being abusive of their power or breaking the law themselves then they should face justice.
But also I think as this situation has been left for so long and got out of hand and some fundementally disagree with deporting illegals fullstop. Even if the officers were angels there would still be violence to stop the government.
Geopolitically, I know Aleksandr Dugin has spoken about it for decades. A plan to divide the world into three superpowers by destabilizing democratic governments with culture wars. The plan involves step one, buying up media in those countries with democratic governments, and also buying large shares in companies who employ large numbers of the citizenry in the major cities. Step two, create turmoil and war in countries bordering those democratic countries, thus creating millions of refugees fleeing into the democratic countries one wants to destabilize. Step three, send in pro autocratic politicians who run on a platform of anti-immigration.But don't both sides do this.
This is not just the US but a worldwide phenomena. The same divide is happening between the Left and Right in many western nations. Which to me speaks of a culture wide war and divide. Rather than any specific politician or group. Especially on the hot button issues like immigration which has become the biggest issue all over the world.
The people who work for him don't think so. I've seen two cabinet meetings where each member at the table takes a turn complimenting him on how great he is and what an honor it is to serve under his leadership.Lol he knows how to get under peoples skins. I think he is half joking.
I don't. I personally know that many on the local are genuine servants of the people. and I know a few on the federal level and they would not want any backside-kissing advisors.I think all politicians think they are right about everything.
Actually, a left/right dichotomy represents equally valid opposing subjective views. In politics we can see the reasoning in dichotomies like employer/employee, consumer/supplier, buyer/seller.That is the nature of the beast in that politics has become partisan. So oppositions don't want to admit being wrong and will make the opposition look bad. Rather than having any genuine ideas about making things great. Time is always the reality checker.
So far, I haven't seen the democrats conspire to create fake electors so as to overturn a fair election. I haven't seen anyone on the Democratic side wearing a hat saying I was right about everything. And I've never heard a democrat talk about invoking the insurrection act.Yeah both sides do it and it seems they are getting more polarised and the radical fringes are coming to the center and dictating parties.
I think you're being too cynical. Like is said there are valid left/right dichotomies in politics. There are people who run for office who are led by the Spirit of Christ.Yes and thats why I don't trust either parties or any political ideologies. The are fundementally at war with Christ and subscribing to them would be promoting and cultivating the dark principalities and invisible forces that aim to defy and undermine Christ and Christianity.
There are facts and the truth is not impotent. There's a difference between positive and negative prejudice. The course of grace through faith is reasonable, while the course of cynicism through mutual distrust is unreasonable.Yes this is vital. I think its natural that people will lean on their ideas and beliefs. In some ways fundementally this is not a case of facts but belief. Beliefs about who we are, what is beyond, and how we should order society.
The Gospel has spiritual enemies because people are the battlefield. Most times, if you say his Name Jesus in public, the devil is present in the air. The devil is an accuser/slanderer. He will use ad hominem attacks, attacking the messenger, and he will use false equivalence as in unfair weights and measures that show iniquity.Do you think as the bible says 'some will look and listen but not see and hear my words'. That the world is primarily against Christs truth and Gods Kingdom. How could Christians even proclaim this today without being attacked as bigoted or hateful.
I've never seen a guy like Trump on either side. He slanders others more than any person I've ever seen. He obviously approves of those who openly bow down to him and submit to his authority over them. He says he alone can fix things. He says he knows more than most anybody about almost everything. He says he is the bringer of peace, the chosen one. He indicates he wants to be worshipped.Probably so. But both sides do it so much that its hard to tell anything is truth lol.
Don't get me wrong; everyone should do what they're led to do, because The Spirit doesn't lead everyone to do the same thing. But the Spirit never leads us to slander others whether they're protesting in the streets or standing on the sidelines.I think fundementally this is a fight in the world. Between two principalities fighting for world order.
But neither are Gods way. I think it best to not get too involved. Yes speak out against injustice. But we can do that from the sidelines.
Keeping true to the sentiment of to govern, politics is the delegation of power to set policy in governing. It occurs on every level, from the head of household to neighborhood HOA's, to local, to county, to state, to federal. Politics are inevitable wherever policy is being put forth in governing, including potty training.I don't think politics is inevitable. Certainly any Christian community should not be governed by the political ideologies of the day. They are ideologies that happen to align with some Christian truths and values.
I'm just saying the greatest is the one who serves the rest is different than the one who wants the rest to serve them. It can be seen in someone's words and actions.But ideologically they are different and its the belief component that is what we should not be subscribing to. Such as Marxism, Socialism, Conservatism, materialism, capitalism, libralism, feminism ect.
Matthew 5:13-16I think He would have something to say about the nations these people are fleeing from. I don't think he would get involved. He would know this is something that cannot be intervened in and has to be what it has to be. This is the world rising up against Christ.
I'm not saying there's going to be a utopia. I'm saying I want to bring extra oil so that my lamp is burning when the bridegroom comes.His kingdom is not on this earth that we are to create some equal and peaceful utopia through political means. In fact that is what the Pharisees wanted. He avoided such traps.
I've seen numerous reporting of the political divisions in congregations. The evangelicals in particular were lining up to support Trump.Yes this is a fundemental intuition we all have. Though it can be snuffed out by worldly power and self presevation and money. Thats the problem. There is a battle between flesh and spirit. If the whole system in of the world then we can point out the injustice and truth which is not political without subscribing to the political ideology.
I'm saying it sounds like spin --> false equivalence. When did a Democratic President try to overturn the results of a fair election to stay in power? Propaganda is about turning positives into negatives, negatives into positives, or making them look the same so no one can tell the difference.So you don't think both sides do it. They would not be politicians if they didn't. It use to be that parties agreed more. But in recent years its become polarised. Neither part will admit they are wrong or the other is right lol. One says black and the says white.
I did look at what they said. And I looked at numerous exit polls. the two main reasons were inflation and immigration.That sounds a bit shallow and also doing the oppositions thinking. Why don't you actually look at what they said. I think it was much more nuenced.
It's telling right now.Like I said only time will tell.
I'm not sure anyone can sue the government for being deported.Yes its a messy business. If there is any injustice then people will be sued. The truth always comes out in the end.
I think deporting people to foreign countries that they've never been to qualifies as human trafficking.Do you think this crackdown is deterring people and organised crime from trafficking people over the border.
Yes, but Sampson had been used by God before he became a degenerate. Trump never had that. However, God does use Trump and you mention many of those things rightly. But perhaps now, he is going to be brought down? Is there anything good on the horizon that Trump can offer? Is he becoming an embarassment? Will God really exalt America with a prideful posture of America first, vulgar talk and the love of money? To me it is God's plan to make America humble and many of Trump's policies I think are going to do exactly that.Charlie Kirk compared Trump with Samson. A degenerate who did the right thing in the end. Trump doubts if he will go to heaven. It all depends on his humility before God in the end. But lets look at his fruit before deciding whether to crown him absolute Emperor of the World.
Trump is a liar (Stolen election lie), a fraudster (see his criminal record), has major conflicts of interest (getting rich off the DOJ - come on!!!) and his personal record with women is not the best (lets see where the Epstein thing goes). His America First tariff policy is rushed and will probably generate inflation. His whole approach favors the super rich and is not helping social mobility. he does not care about the poor or the environment. He lacks grace in dealing with his enemies and mistakes ruthlessness with true power, which must also include mercy.
That said despite all his faults he seems to be getting some important things done. The decimation of Woke society is something healthy, though in Europe the movement is still the other way (Sarah Mullally as the new Archbishop of Canterbury for example). We may have a temporary peace in the Middle East looming. Irans nuclear program is on fire. NATO members are stepping up with qualitative and quantitative improvements to their militaries. He did this without splitting the alliance as I feared he might though maybe in the long term this new military power will make Europe far more independent of the USA. Given the current foolishness guiding many European politicians this might not be the best way forward e.g. their policy on Palestine and weakness re the Muslim lobby. He wants to end the war in Ukraine and is taking the steps to make that happen. Pro-Abortion is now no longer a federal stance. He understands what China has been getting away with and is an effective counter force.
The dreamers are being targeted by ICE.The millions and millions of our lifetime did not arrive in the last few years, as they have now.
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.When love has no boiundaries, it is not love, it is license/lawlessness.
Slander is when you say bad things bout others without evidence. I didn't slander law enforcement. Here are the facts showing that Abrego Garcia was sent to a prison in El Salvador without due process -->Immigration Policy and Individual Rights: The Abrego Garcia CaseAs you slandered our law enforcement for no cause when they are enforcing our law.
???The dreamers are being targeted by ICE.
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
America is not responsible for what happens to Garcia in his home country.Here are the facts showing that Abrego Garcia was sent to a prison in El Salvador without due process -->Immigration Policy and Individual Rights: The Abrego Garcia Case
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