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A Christian perspective on the US election.

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I'm not going to sit here and say who to vote for, or who not to vote for, the purpose of this message is not to sway people one way or the other, but rather to point out a problem that I see in the Church regarding politics.

we can Vote as individuals however we want, and why not, it's a freedom one I hope everyone reading this message holds dear, the issue that I see is the Church within the US choosing sides in the election, Pastors have thrown their support behind candidates

"I am such a strong admirer and supporter of George W. Bush that if he suggested eliminating the income tax or doubling it, I would vote yes on first blush." - Jerry Falwell

but that was the previous president, we're now in 2008 and Mccain is now the republican presidential candidate. today I found a video that I found (as a christian) to be disturbing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g0d3_KE5js Rev Arnold Conrad putting GOD's reputation on the line for Mccain to win. If Mccain doesn't win does that mean that GOD is not as powerful as the other gods or that Christianity is wrong? NO! Then again GOD didn't speak from the heavens saying he'd ensure Mccain or Obama would win. This is the principal point I want to make, Christianity has become so intertwined in republican politics, that non Christians will look at the church as supporting wars that had no basis (WMD's in Iraq), a president who tried to privatize Social Security before this economic crisis, a church that is in favor of Abu Ghraib, or Guantanamo Bay.

Christians have to show the world they they follow Jesus, not the guy who won the republican primaries. The Church needs to show the world that they follow a Man who refused to let his followers from taking revenge on the servant who was arresting him, but rather healed the ear of that servant, instead of following a man who thought the Keating 5 was a pretty good idea.

that all said, if you want to vote republican for whatever reason go for it, if you want to vote democrat for whatever reason go for it, I just ask that you do so as an individual not as a church, as JFK said:

"I hope that no American will waste his franchise and throw away his vote by voting either for me or against me solely on account of my religious affiliation. It is not relevant." - John F. Kennedy
 

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Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

The Bible warns us about "false preachers".

Matt. 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2Cor 11:13For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Cor 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Cor 11:15Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 
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I was so disgusted by Conrad's "prayer" that I wrote to him as soon as I heard it. If you're so inclined, here's the contact information for the church where he was formerly a pastor. I'm sure they know how to forward an e-mail to him: http://www.grace-efree.org/contactus.html
 
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I didn't see anything wrong with the prayer. I wouldn't have said some of the things he did, but it wasn't Unbiblical in any way.

I'm not telling my congregation who to vote for because, frankly, I don't know who I'm going to vote for myself. But I have preached about some of the issues and challenged them to ask themselves if they can vote for Obama, who supports the slaughter of unborn children, and consider themselves guiltless before the Lord.
 
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PastorJim, here's the problem. Arnold Conrad implied (okay, pretty much, said) people who pray to other gods are backing McCain's opponent--Obama. But our God, the God of Christians, should show Himself stronger by causing McCain to win. THAT is over the line. That man needs to get off his holier-than-thou high horse. I am sick and disgusted with Christians who think their candidate, their party is the one in line with God and implying so strongly they might as well write it in stone that people who don't think like them are not Christian. THAT is what this man's "prayer" conveyed.

And I hope that his former church is deluged with e-mails they have to forward to the narrow-minded religious bigot. That e-mail address, again, can be found at:

http://www.grace-efree.org/contactus.html
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PastorJim, here's the problem. Arnold Conrad implied (okay, pretty much, said) people who pray to other gods are backing McCain's opponent--Obama.

No, what he said is that Obama supporters who pray to other gods are praying to their false gods.


First of all, there's nothing wrong with praying for a candidate. It's like saying that somebody who prays for a sick friend must be a bigot because he didn't pray for all sick people.

Second, I agree with him. I don't believe that a Christian can support a candidate who supports the wholesale slaughter of little babies and still believe he's going to be guiltless when he stands before God.

And I hope that his former church is deluged with e-mails they have to forward to the narrow-minded religious bigot. That e-mail address, again, can be found at:

http://www.grace-efree.org/contactus.html.

I sent him one supporting him and his prayer.
 
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Oh Lord, lift up McCain, and watch out for all those Hindu's and Muslims praying for his opponent....


He also mentioned the Buddhists who are praying to their God for his opponent. I wonder which God that is?

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So what? What's his point?

His point is that those Obama supporters who worship false gods are praying to their false gods for Obama.

Isn't it interesting that nobody seems to have a problem with those praying to false gods for Obama, but the moment somebody prays to God for McCain, they go nuts?
 
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He also mentioned the Buddhists who are praying to their God for his opponent. I wonder which God that is?

Jonathan
Which makes the prayer that much more ridiculous....


At least he did not mention all the atheists praying to their....well that other one.
 
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The pastor clearly implies that Obama is allied with the Buddhists, the Muslims, the Hindus, but John McCain is the Christian choice.

Which is pretty funny, since Obama talks clearly about his Christian faith.

Jonathan

Go to the General Apologetics forum sometime. There are a lot of threads there claiming that Hitler was a Christian, too.

Just because somebody says "Jesus" doesn't mean they're a Christian. When Obama's doctrine and fruit are examined, it's clear that he's no Christian.
 
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It is against the law for a pastor to support a political candidate, the church can lose its tax exempt status by so doing and I hope they do.
 
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You really didn't listen to the prayer, did you? I have no problem with him praying for McCain, although I believe a prayer to lift up McCain AND Obama (both Christian) would have been more Christian-like and better for our country.
 
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You are correct. Please present proof that McCain is Christian.
 
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